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Sado-Masochism Might be ‘Sexual Orientation’ says BC Human Rights Tribunal
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 6 January 2006 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/05/2006 2:36:24 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

VANCOUVER, January 5, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The BC Human Rights Tribunal is being asked to discover a new “sexual orientation.” The Vancouver Sun reported December 30, that a self-described “pagan” is accusing the Vancouver police of discrimination for refusing him a license to drive a limousine because of his involvement in the “bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism” (BDSM) underworld.

A Vancouver man, Peter Hayes, has accused the Vancouver police of illegal discrimination because of his involvement in BDSM. Hayes says that he lost a potential job as a limousine driver when police refused him a chauffeur's permit and has taken his case to the Human Rights Tribunal.

The Tribunal’s Lindsay M. Lyster wrote an 18 page preliminary decision saying that the complaint can go forward. She said that while she did not completely understand the “precise nature of Mr. Hayes' lifestyle, practices and preferences,” they ought to be investigated as to whether they fall under the definition of sexual orientation, and therefore of the protection of human rights legislation.

Lyster wrote that she did not understand the meaning “of the parties' use of the term BDSM or other related terms.” Despite this, she believed “that Mr. Hayes suffered an adverse impact as a result of the respondents' actions is, on the facts alleged, clear, as he was denied a chauffeur's permit and lost the opportunity to work.”

The police department said, “In our submission, sexual orientation is separate and distinct from preferences or behaviours while engaging in sex. The legislature has not gone so far as to prohibit discrimination on the basis of preferences or behaviour.”

The issue of legal protection for “sexual orientation,” however, is a vexed one since when such legislation was introduced, a clear definition was deliberately withheld.

Gwen Landolt, a family advocate and head of Real Women of Canada, told LifeSiteNews.com that no definition of the term can be found in Canadian law so it can and is used to provide legal protection to any sexual proclivity.

Landolt said, “That was the whole point when the legislation began to appear. ‘Orientation’ was left open so as to include pedophilia, bestiality or anything anyone wants.”

“This has been the goal of the homosexual movement from the start: to remove from the Canadian criminal code everything pertaining to sexual morality, and their favorite method is to use the Human Rights Tribunals. These tribunals are not run according to the standards of evidence and due process as the normal courts,” Landolt said.

Lyster wrote that the Tribunal should employ the opinion of “experts” to decide if Mr. Hayes’ sexual interests could be considered an “orientation.” Given the willingness of experts to approve of most sexual activities that had heretofore been considered sick or dangerous to past generations, it seems to Landolt that one more sexual deviation is about to be given legal protection in Canada.

Landolt said, “The same thing happened in Ontario with the so-called ‘transgendered.’ They were refused OHIP coverage for their surgeries and they went to the Human Rights Tribunals. Now we have seen it with the swinger’s clubs in Montreal, and previously with child pornography. You name it.”


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abyss; bdsm; canada; canuckistan; disorders; handbasket; homosexualagenda; humanrights; moralabsolutes; psychology; sadomaschism; sexualorientation; slipperyslide
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Thank the Lord He has put me about as far away on this earth from Canada as is possible.
1 posted on 01/05/2006 2:36:27 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

This is the only logical next step following "gay rights". I'm not surprized at all. Bythis same logic, pedophelia, bestiality, necrophelia and the like are all "sexual orientations" and should be afforded special civil protections.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 2:41:24 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Aussie Dasher

Why would a person be denied a limousine driver's permit for being involved in bondage, homosexuality, smoking, hunting, football, being a member of PETA, or for living any other type of lifestyle? What does bondage have to do with making a living driving a vehicle????


3 posted on 01/05/2006 2:42:21 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Landolt said, “That was the whole point when the legislation began to appear. ‘Orientation’ was left open so as to include pedophilia, bestiality or anything anyone wants.”

I thought pedophilia and bestiality were already protected activities in Canada. Oh . . . wait . . . bestiality might not be because of the Animal Rights Movement.

4 posted on 01/05/2006 2:44:33 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Aussie Dasher
Coming to a Continent near you, and soon. You're distant but not immune to this madness. Ever so gradually the Left/Libs are eroding all traditions and revoking logic and common sense as a standard. In their twisted World this is logical and they won't quit until everyone goes along. /rant
5 posted on 01/05/2006 2:44:49 PM PST by TCats
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To: L98Fiero
By this same logic, pedophelia, bestiality, necrophelia and the like are all "sexual orientations" and should be afforded special civil protections.

The obvious difference is that the acts you listed are illegal and done without the consent of the victim.

6 posted on 01/05/2006 2:46:20 PM PST by opinionator
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To: SunStar
Why would a person be denied a limousine driver's permit for being involved in bondage...What does bondage have to do with making a living driving a vehicle????

Hmm. Maybe they became disturbed when he showed up for the interview in a latex bodysuit and had to keep removing his ball gag to answer questions.

7 posted on 01/05/2006 2:51:32 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: Aussie Dasher

This the Land of the Green River killer - pig feeder


8 posted on 01/05/2006 2:51:46 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: Aussie Dasher

Defining perversion down.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 2:54:20 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Aussie Dasher

HEHE, people who get aroused by drainpipes is next....


10 posted on 01/05/2006 3:04:47 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Or worse, people who get aroused WITH drain pipes...


11 posted on 01/05/2006 3:08:45 PM PST by Clioman
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To: Clioman

Yes.... painful....


12 posted on 01/05/2006 3:10:38 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I wouldn't think it a problem unless the feller decided to exercise his "lifestyle" on the job. And even then, if he'd prefer I beat him with a whip instead of tipping, it's OK by me...


13 posted on 01/05/2006 3:13:12 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Aussie Dasher
Saw this coming 100 miles away. Bestiality will be the next "orientation."

Incest is next.

14 posted on 01/05/2006 3:13:17 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Please leave our New Zealand friends out of this...


15 posted on 01/05/2006 3:18:13 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: SkyPilot

How long before Hollywood treats us to an interspecies "love story" now that "Brokecrack Mountain" is on the big screen?


16 posted on 01/05/2006 3:19:47 PM PST by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Ha!


17 posted on 01/05/2006 3:53:24 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Aussie Dasher

later pingout.

Ahem - just how bad is it going to get before it's turned around?


18 posted on 01/05/2006 3:55:55 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Aussie Dasher

SM, how else can we explain procreation among liberals?


19 posted on 01/05/2006 3:57:47 PM PST by Modok
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To: Mordacious
"Hmm. Maybe they became disturbed when he showed up for the interview in a latex bodysuit and had to keep removing his ball gag to answer questions."

Actually I'd put money on it that there is a market for just such a limousine service.
20 posted on 01/05/2006 3:58:11 PM PST by ndt
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To: SkyPilot
In Malibu, a convict on parole for raping a horse, was re-arrested for returning to the ranch and "doing" the same horse again. Now I understand in Los Angeles there is currently a guy in critical condition following a horse taking him in the a$$!
21 posted on 01/05/2006 4:10:19 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: opinionator
The obvious difference is that the acts you listed are illegal and done without the consent of the victim.

Well, there is a serious problem with the terminology - and that is actually at the root of the whole problem. Are these acts or are these orientations? Let's deal with homosexuality - is it an act or an orientation? Does an act have to be involved for homosexuality to exist as an entity? If the definition of homosexuality is 'attraction to a member of the same sex', than that means that the whole thing can only exist in one's mind (since by definition, attraction can only exist in the mind). Imagine that - all of this stupid same-sex legislation Canada has now blindly barged forward on is geared towards some stupid self-identification and and self-declarations that have nothing to do with what a person does? What would a means test be for homosexuality? On those grounds, pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia or any other 'feelings' that one may have should gain equal standing, no? What about all those that managed to put homosexual thoughts aside and go 'straight'? I would submit that there is no such thing as homosexuality - there are are only acts of homosexuality and the same goes for all these other 'orienations'. As a matter of fact, I would submit there is only sexuality - and beyond that, there are normal and perverted acts as to how one's sexuality is manifested. And by the way, that's not just my thoughts on the matter, that's scripture.

22 posted on 01/05/2006 4:21:19 PM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: ndt
Actually I'd put money on it that there is a market for just such a limousine service.

I know. It's how I made my first million ;)

Seriously, the only way they'd know about this guy's proclivities is if he was arrested for them or was stupid enough to bring them up at the interview. No one should be forced to hire criminals and/or idiots.

23 posted on 01/05/2006 4:23:45 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Landolt said, “The same thing happened in Ontario with the so-called ‘transgendered.’ They were refused OHIP coverage for their surgeries and they went to the Human Rights Tribunals. Now we have seen it with the swinger’s clubs in Montreal, and previously with child pornography. You name it.”

How much lower can Canada sink! Is ritual Cannibalism next?

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


24 posted on 01/05/2006 4:29:41 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Help! Stop him before he drives me crazy!"

25 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:18 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Aussie Dasher

So how exactly did the police become aware of this individuals involvement in the S&M scene ?

Thats important dontcha think ?


26 posted on 01/05/2006 4:39:46 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Mordacious
"No one should be forced to hire criminals and/or idiots."

I would agree that it should be up to the company to hire or not hire him, but how is this any business of the police?
27 posted on 01/05/2006 4:56:57 PM PST by ndt
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To: SunStar
What does bondage have to do with making a living driving a vehicle????

That's exactly what I was wondering. This guy must've been acting like a freak and flaunting it by whipping his customers or something. If he'd just kept it his own business no one would've know or cared what he did in the privacy of his own home.

LQ

28 posted on 01/05/2006 4:59:56 PM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: SunStar
What does bondage have to do with making a living driving a vehicle????

As long as he didn't mix business with pleasure.It's kind of hard to drive the limo bound , gagged and being flogged at the same time.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 5:57:40 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: SunStar; Mordacious; LizardQueen; Uncle Meat
because of his involvement in the “bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism” (BDSM) underworld.

That LAST word above is probably the operative one. The bondage etc part is just a modifier, so as not to confuse it with the "drug underworld", "racketeering underworld", etc.

All he is doing is trying to confuse the issue, IMHO.

30 posted on 01/05/2006 6:24:03 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: SkyPilot
Did you say incest? Isn't that relative?


31 posted on 01/05/2006 6:29:37 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Aussie Dasher; Fair Go; NorthOf45; Fred Nerks

"Thank the Lord He has put me about as far away on this earth from Canada as is possible."

Ping! ;-)


32 posted on 01/05/2006 6:32:59 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Aussie Dasher; odoso; animoveritas; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; Unam Sanctam; ...

Moral Absolutes and Homosexual Agenda Two-fer Ping.

The world is going mad. Any bets on how long what's called "civilization" will be able to continue before descending into a "Lord of the Flies" scenario?

I really don't know what to say. Any good comments or ideas, ping me.

As far as I'm concerned, it's FUBAR.

Freepmail me if you want on/off either pinglist.


33 posted on 01/05/2006 6:39:31 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NZerFromHK

thanks for the ping. I read it and put it out of my mind. Canada? Where's that?


34 posted on 01/05/2006 6:39:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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Interesting note: Just how did the cops find out this pervert is involved in the BMSM or whatever it is world? Hmmm? Was he arrested for whipping or torturing people a little too roughly, or what?


35 posted on 01/05/2006 6:42:19 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
It has been a long time since my high school biology days when I studied genetics, but here goes:

If homosexuality, sado-masochism and other degenerates were "predisposed" toward their deviancy due to their DNA, this would certainly be a recessive gene. Because their lifestyles are inherently disinclined toward procreation, these recessive genes would diminish fairly quickly over time. However, just the opposite has occurred. All I can conclude from this is that they are making a choice, which is made simpler by an increasingly sinful and permissive society.

36 posted on 01/05/2006 6:51:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: L98Fiero

Sir Elton John can now be crowned the Queen of England.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 7:14:50 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: NYer
Landolt said, “The same thing happened in Ontario with the so-called ‘transgendered.’ They were refused OHIP coverage for their surgeries and they went to the Human Rights Tribunals. Now we have seen it with the swinger’s clubs in Montreal, and previously with child pornography. You name it.”

What a disgusting thing. This is what happened when you get Liberals in power - and let's not trash Canada that much, after all, we have our own Liberals who are as bad as Canadian Liberals.

38 posted on 01/05/2006 7:32:48 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Aussie Dasher
WOW..this Human Rights Tribunal seems to have all the power in Canada - our poor northern fools. I actually care about what's going on in Canada because all the European filth (Euro thought and law) is comming here through them.
39 posted on 01/05/2006 8:21:35 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: joesnuffy

He's already a queen IN England...


40 posted on 01/05/2006 8:23:11 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

There ya go throwing rational thought into it!!! LMAO!! How dareyou interject common sense!


41 posted on 01/05/2006 8:23:50 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: NYer

Canada now, US to come in the not so distant future! Unless we somehow can get things back in line real quick!


42 posted on 01/05/2006 8:25:33 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: little jeremiah

"The world is going mad. Any bets on how long what's called "civilization" will be able to continue before descending into a "Lord of the Flies" scenario?"

Lord of the Flies:
Kill, kill, kill the pig!
Kill, Kill, KILL THE PIG!!!

Lord of the Flies, 2006 revised edition:
Kill, kill, kill the pig!
Kill, Kill, KILL THE PIG!!!
(Uh, guys, can I do the pig first?)


43 posted on 01/05/2006 8:30:20 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Fred Nerks; NZerFromHK

I put it out of my mind too. It must have been a slow day at LifeSiteNews. : )


44 posted on 01/05/2006 8:38:14 PM PST by NorthOf45
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To: L98Fiero

Do ya think rape and child molestation will soon be a sexual orientation as well in BC? Man, these folks are hurtin'.


45 posted on 01/05/2006 9:25:49 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Vicomte13

I read the book and then saw the movie when I was a young kid. It really freaked the heck out of me. To use vernacular.

Feral humans. There are too many of them, and more coming up.

I hope you and your family have a happy new year!


46 posted on 01/05/2006 10:36:13 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NZerFromHK

Perhaps Canada needs a taste of sharia law!!!!!!


47 posted on 01/05/2006 10:40:27 PM PST by Fair Go
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To: Galveston Grl

"Do ya think rape and child molestation will soon be a sexual orientation as well in BC? Man, these folks are hurtin'."

I'm just saying that it follows the same logic. S&M is how some people get their sexual jollies. So are the things I listed. If S&M is an "orientation", why would the other things not be?


48 posted on 01/06/2006 6:49:45 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: little jeremiah

"I hope you and your family have a happy new year!"

Yours too.


49 posted on 01/06/2006 3:06:40 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Coming soon: The Canadian Inquisition!

Nothing like having your entire life examined under a microscope before getting a driver's license!
What is next?
Water-boarding before getting a credit card?
First-born child before approval for a mortgage?

Wait... perhaps I should stop, before some government officials steal my ideas.

As for this case, perhaps the police were involved because he wanted to drive a paddy-wagon, and miss-spelled it as Paddle-Wagon!
Hey, it is an innocent slip....


50 posted on 01/06/2006 3:33:35 PM PST by TheyCallMeDad (I have 14 children. Donations always accepted! :))
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