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Liberals to Choose 2008 GOP Candidate
Capitol Hill Journal ^ | Jan. 5, 2006 | Lisa Fabrizio

Posted on 01/05/2006 8:00:38 PM PST by WatchYourself

One of the liberal favorites for this treatment is Rudy Giuliani who, when actually in office, constantly bedeviled the left. Up until 9/11, he was portrayed as a bull-headed, dictatorial, tin god who was insensitive to minorities and in general, a detestable bully. Sure, he’s a pro-abortion, gun-grabbing, gay rights advocate, but what good was that when he was merely a mayor?

Now that they see him as a national figure, he is the epitome of all that secular liberals love; a divorced Catholic at odds with the Church over some of its most sacred public stances. But despite the fact that most conservatives would shun his candidacy like the plague, liberal pundits will nonetheless chant “Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,” for months to come.

Likewise, many in the media dream of reboarding the Straight-Talk Express of ‘maverick’ John McCain. How they love his wry charisma, his quick wit and especially the way he wrote a new Bill of Rights for terrorists after perverting the original one to silence political free speech in the name of campaign finance reform.

Can McCain garner enough backing from those on the right to win the nomination? Given their support for most of the Bush agenda, you’d think not. But again, the media think conservatives are too stupid to remember that McCain was considered so anti-Bush, he was reportedly offered the number two slot with John Kerry in 2004...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911whore; attentionwhore; fabrizio; fckrudy; giuliani2008; goallen; letch; lovedbymedia; notorudy; rino; rudyisoverrate; rudyistoast; rudyrockefeller; stupidnooyawkers
McCain is by far the media darling... I'm not so sure the leftist MSM likes Rudy though..
1 posted on 01/05/2006 8:00:40 PM PST by WatchYourself
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To: WatchYourself

McCain? Is that an Indian name? If not, why is he getting all of those contributions from Indians?


2 posted on 01/05/2006 8:03:48 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: WatchYourself

Giuliani would be a fine Attorney General...


3 posted on 01/05/2006 8:11:00 PM PST by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: WatchYourself

Rudy would make a much better president then McCain.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 8:12:37 PM PST by oceanview
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To: WatchYourself

McCain / Guiliani = RINO dream ticket


5 posted on 01/05/2006 8:12:53 PM PST by plain talk
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To: WatchYourself

Rudy is a gun grabbing, illegal alien loving, corrupt scumbag. He aint gonna make it past the Michigan primary.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 8:13:50 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: plain talk
You guys NEED to stop lumping Rudy into this 'rino' thing. He is nowhere NEAR as socially liberal as he is made out to be here on FR and he's 200000% on the side of President Bush when it comes to the WOT.
Rudy fought the homosexual agenda for his entire time as mayor. He did that while having friends that were homosexual and even moving in with homosexual friends during his divorce. I have no problem with Rudy accepting homosexual people as friends. I have homosexual friends myself and I am about as conservative as you can get.
I'm NOT trying to convince anyone as to Rudy's abilities. I'm just saying, PLEASE, give the guy a fair shake. He's NOT (at least in my opinion) what a lot of you think he is. At least not from what I"ve seen. Produce proof and you may sway me.
7 posted on 01/05/2006 8:21:41 PM PST by 302damnfast
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To: All
Don't tell the Dems but I found their candidate!
8 posted on 01/05/2006 8:21:45 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Coop! Coop! Coop!!! :))
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To: Clemenza

Your point about Rudy being anti-gun is very correct and this is something I do not like about him at all. However, he isn't corrupt and IMHO, he's not a scumbag. I've also seen no evidence that he loves illegal aliens. Please do come forth with evidence. That is, of course, evidence that isn't about Kerik's employees...no offense, but that would be lame. I'm willing to listen to ANYTHING you guys have to put forth that is fair, but please don't put forth crap like that.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 8:25:20 PM PST by 302damnfast
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To: 302damnfast
1. He explcitly stated in 1996 (after passage of the immigration bill denying benefits to illegal aliens) that he would not enforce any law that prohibited illegals or their children from receiving health care or education.

2. Google "Ray Harding" and you will see what Rudy's best friends have been up to. We are all judged by the company we keep.

Rudy is a scumbag who is beloved by the media for a reason. Remember that most of his votes came from NEW YORK DEMOCRATS.

10 posted on 01/05/2006 8:28:49 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: 302damnfast
Rudy DID NOT fight the "homosexual agenda." He supports Civil Unions, anti-discrimination laws (special rights for sodomites), and even lived with two sodomites when he got divorced (for the third time!).

Another braindead Noo Yawk post reader I see.

11 posted on 01/05/2006 8:30:17 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: WatchYourself

The writer is delusional. Rudy has zero chances in getting the GOP nod. Dittos for McCain.


12 posted on 01/05/2006 8:31:07 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Liberal Democrats-Party before country, surrender before victory, generous with other peoples money.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Oh you tricky thing!


13 posted on 01/05/2006 8:33:28 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Clemenza; 302damnfast

“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.
Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999


14 posted on 01/05/2006 8:34:23 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: 302damnfast

---Your point about Rudy being anti-gun is very correct and this is something I do not like about him at all. However, he isn't corrupt and IMHO, he's not a scumbag.---

Anyone that's a gun-grabber is a scumbag by definition. :^)


15 posted on 01/05/2006 8:37:44 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: 302damnfast

Rudy thinks a ban on partial-birth abortion (i.e. infanticide) is ridiculous.

He's a liberal period.


16 posted on 01/05/2006 8:37:46 PM PST by Fledermaus (Please explain the difference between Al-Qaeda and the Left? Anyone? Anyone?)
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To: 302damnfast

I think he's generally a RINO because of his stands on social issues. I guess it all depends how important that is to you. You raise good points. Not all RINOs are equal and Rudy is an extremely likable candidate. Also good patriot.


17 posted on 01/05/2006 8:38:30 PM PST by plain talk
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To: WatchYourself
Spot on article. I doubt either of the leftists' GOP 'darlings' can survive the primaries. Neither of them will have a snowball's chance in hell of getting my vote. If Allen or an equal don't run, I'll just write 'em in or rely on Keyes to accept my vote.

Nam Vet

18 posted on 01/05/2006 8:40:50 PM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
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To: 302damnfast

Yeah, will agree with you on that. Some people use the term RINO without the slightest clue being a RINO is not substitution for the word "Liberal". A person can be a Liberal Republican without the two being in conflict.

Why this needs to keep being repeated over and over is beyond me though. It would seem easy to comprehend.

A RINO is someone that runs as a Republican, but is loyal to the Party In name only. Note---Not loyal to conservatism in name only. That is a CINO, which Rudy is not either since he doesn't pretend to be conservative except on only a couple of issues where he can legitimate claim so.

Lindsey Graham is a CINO.

Bloomberg is a RINO. Actually, he's not even a RINO. Everyone knows he's a Democrat in N.Y.C.

Chafee, though, IS a RINO. No loyalty whatsoever to party but come election time wants the President's support that he, himself, wouldn't offer in the President's re-election bid.

I like Rudy, but I'm not voting him in the primary. However, being more Liberal then me I still will credit he's good on WOT, loyal to the Prez and Party and would be 10 times better then the Dems or McCain. Still not voting for him in the primary, still hoping a conservative Republican with a spine shows up to run.

McCain is an egotistical unstable controlling weaselly little opportunistic back stabber that I'll be damned first before ever considering him as President. I urge all Republicans running against McCain to wait until he has a Live audience the networks have to cover, then make him blow that short fuse he has similiar to Howie's famous screech. I want the little napolean exposed to America for the loose cannon he is.

The article is right though. The MSM isn't picking our candidate, neither are the Lordships in the U.S. Senate.


19 posted on 01/05/2006 8:41:17 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Soul Seeker

And, just to add, there is a reason I'm not registered as a Republican. The reason is that I won't pledge allegiance to the Republican Party. I am a conservative registered as an Independent. I have pledged allegiance to conservatism before a political party. I use the Republican Party as a means to an end.

Someone can be both a conservative and a Republican, but the dualities of loyalty often conflict and since I'm not running for office I see no point in subjecting myself to that internal conflict.


20 posted on 01/05/2006 8:49:25 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: 302damnfast

Good post.


21 posted on 01/05/2006 8:52:21 PM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: 302damnfast

Rudy is a far left wing, gun grabbing, for the murder of unborn and he loves the queer life style .
He screamed worse than Dean about Florida selling guns.
I know that big City people have a herd mentality.
If they like Rudy, have him run against Madam W. J. Clinton for the senate.
We do not need his type in federal government. We have too many of his ilk already.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 8:54:39 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the back, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: Soul Seeker
I'm not registered as a Republican

I'm not either. Living in Illinois, I go to the polls on primary election day, they ask me which ballot I want, I tell them and they hand it to me. Nobody is a registered anything.

23 posted on 01/05/2006 8:56:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Soul Seeker

It's a crying shame we have to say "conservatives and Republicans" to call the tent to order. I can remember the day when the words were synonyms.

The very definition of a RINO is a liberal Republican.


24 posted on 01/05/2006 9:13:57 PM PST by 308MBR (Definition of Political Correctness; manners dictated by law)
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To: Soul Seeker
Great comments. I like the distinction you make between the RINO's & the CINO's. I agree with that.... a lot of the Senate Repubs are in fact CINO's, as in the example of Lindsey Graham.

I like your comment about prodding John McCain in the primaries at some televised event, and watching this unstable turncoat B@ST@RD have a volcanic explosion & meltdown on national TV! Ohhh would I love to see that!

I urge all Republicans running against McCain to wait until he has a Live audience the networks have to cover, then make him blow that short fuse he has similiar to Howie's famous screech. I want the little napolean exposed to America for the loose cannon he is.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 9:21:50 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: 302damnfast
Rudy fought the homosexual agenda for his entire time as mayor.

It's telling that the Log Cabin Republicans declined to support Bush for President in 2004, yet they stand by Rudy Giuliani.

Guilt by association is one proof of Giuliani's stance. But it is repeatedly said in the press (not FR) that Guiliani opposes any effort to Constitutionally protect marriage. Were the reports not true, he would dispute them.


Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is one of a number of high-profile Republicans who have denounced efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gay marriage. (AP photo)

He's not just to the left of Bush, he's to the left of many Democrats.

26 posted on 01/05/2006 10:37:45 PM PST by Gelato
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To: 302damnfast
Here's another quote that shows Rudy's socially liberal stance:

"I'll uphold a woman's right of choice," and, "I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal." -- Rudy Giuliani, Sept. 1, 1989

27 posted on 01/05/2006 10:44:23 PM PST by Gelato
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To: 302damnfast
Meet The Press, March 7, 2004: Giuliani needs to re-examine his priorities. Immorality would destroy our nation from within.
28 posted on 01/05/2006 11:07:25 PM PST by Gelato
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To: 302damnfast

Rudy would beat Hillary like a drum. (No other candidate at this point would). Also, he would make a great, articulate leader of the WOT.


29 posted on 01/06/2006 3:08:02 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: 302damnfast

He is radically pro-abortion and serious social conservatives will reject him for that reason alone. I know two people in myown household who would skip the presidential race if he were on the ballot.


30 posted on 01/06/2006 5:26:41 AM PST by madprof98
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To: 308MBR

Sure....

Maybe you'd like to clarify when that day was? To my recollection before the rise of conservatives the Northeastern Republicans controlled the Party (Liberal Republicans) and that was why it was the minority party for decades. Reagan ran against the establishment, meaning, Liberal Republicans. He was the anamoly, not the synonym.

If the two-- conservatism/Republicanism-- were joined it was long before most people living today were alive.

I reject your statement until/IF you can prove otherwise.


31 posted on 01/06/2006 9:00:32 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Clemenza
Rudy is a gun grabbing, illegal alien loving, corrupt scumbag. He aint gonna make it past the Michigan primary.

Maybe, but he's still infinitely better than McCain, who's about two steps ahead of the guys with the white coats and butterfly nets, IMHO.

Doesn't matter anyway - neither one has a prayer of coming close to the GOP nomination. The New York Times did not pick the new Pope, and they sure as hell aren't going to pick the 2008 GOP nominee.

32 posted on 01/06/2006 9:10:20 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: peyton randolph
McCain? Is that an Indian name? If not, why is he getting all of those contributions from Indians?

I think he's from one of the lesser known tribes, the Pile-o'-Hockie Tribe. They were a nomadic type, preferring to upturn and destroy established villages, rather than building one of their own. Trading Post Reform was their claim to fame, until it was discovered they had eagle feathers of their own that were never disclosed. Although the tribe was officially disbanded and scattered long ago, a few have continued to exert pow-wow power in places of commerce and politics. John "Running Bare" McCain is such an example.

33 posted on 01/06/2006 9:14:10 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

LOL. Let's hope that old Running Bare gets scalped on or before the '08 GOP primaries.


34 posted on 01/06/2006 9:19:19 AM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

Besides, "Running Bare' make heap big wampum exempt from Great Spirit of Campaign Finance Reform. You could look it up.


35 posted on 01/06/2006 9:21:09 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: WatchYourself
The last time a RINO won the nomination was McCain, er Alexander er Anderson er Rockefeller.....

;-)
36 posted on 01/06/2006 9:22:13 AM PST by cgbg (MSM and Democratic treason--fifty years and counting...)
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To: CFC__VRWC

LOL! No need to look it up. Just notice the scalps Running Bare proudly displays. The only scalp that seems to have escaped was Traficant's hair piece. Barbara Boxer is now wearing it.


37 posted on 01/06/2006 9:41:08 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: peyton randolph

McCain's Pirate Name is Black Jack Cash.


38 posted on 01/06/2006 9:44:18 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Soul Seeker

How about early November, 1980?


39 posted on 01/09/2006 2:58:58 PM PST by 308MBR (Definition of Political Correctness; manners dictated by law)
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To: WatchYourself

I am looking forward to this jolly good sporting event...the liberal follies without a clue.


40 posted on 01/09/2006 3:01:24 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: 308MBR

You believe the Republican Party was conservative in 1980?

Prove it.

And don't tell me because Reagan was nominated. Reagan was one man and it took him several tries to finally win the right to represent. We're speaking of the Party here.

If you are going to contend the republican Party was akin to conservatism in meaning, go back, get the votes...the records...the Senators...and PROVE the majority represented conservatism in context of the times.


41 posted on 01/09/2006 4:45:22 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Soul Seeker

I can no more do that than jump through the rim of my rectum and disappear.

The longer I think about this, the more I remember Bob Dole, Howard Baker.....etc.

I guess this is just another good reason for the northeastern US to secede so the rest of us can live like Americans.


42 posted on 01/09/2006 4:50:20 PM PST by 308MBR (Definition of Political Correctness; manners dictated by law)
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