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Victor Davis Hanson: A Letter to the Europeans. Cry the beloved continent
NRO ^ | January 06, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/06/2006 5:43:18 AM PST by Tolik

        VDH: We want to see Europe survive. (Really.)

 

Despite the bitter recrimination and growing rift between you and us, most Americans have not forgotten that a strong, confident Europe is still critical to the material and spiritual well being of the United States.

It is not just that as Westerners you have withstood — often later at our side — all prior challenges to the shared liberal civilization you created, whether the specter of an Ottoman global suzerainty, Bonapartism, Prussian militarism, Nazism, fascism, Japanese militarism, or Soviet Communism.

Nor is our allegiance a mere matter of history. Europe is the repository of the Western tradition, most manifestly in shrines like the Acropolis, the Pantheon, the Uffizi, or the Vatican. We concede that the Great Books — we as yet have not produced a Homer, Virgil, Dante, Shakespeare, or Locke, much less a Da Vinci, Mozart, or Newton — and the Great Ideas of the West from democracy to capitalism to human rights originated on your continent alone. And if Americans believe our Constitution and the visions of our Founding Fathers were historic improvements on Europe of the 18th-century, then at least we acknowledge in our humility that they were also inconceivable without it.

No, there is a greater oneness between us, an unspoken familiarity even now in the age of global sameness, that makes an American feel at home in Amsterdam, Paris, Rome, or Athens in a way that is not true of Istanbul, Cairo, or Bangkok.

In the multiracial society of the United States, an American black, Asian, or Latino finds natural affinity in London and Brussels in a way not true in Lagos, Ho Chi Min City, or Lima. For millions of Americans "Eurocentric" is no slur — for it is an appellation of shared values and ideas not of race.

Even in this debased era of multiculturalism that misleads our youth into thinking no culture can be worse than the West, we all know in our hearts the truth that we live by and the lie that we profess — that the critic of the West would rather have his heart repaired in Berlin than in Guatemala or be a Muslim in Paris rather than a Christian in Riyadh, or a woman or homosexual in Amsterdam than in Iran, or run a newspaper in Stockholm rather than in Havana, or drink the water in Luxembourg rather than in Uganda, or object to his government in Italy rather than in China or North Korea. Radical Muslims damn Europe and praise Allah — but whenever possible from Europe rather than inside Libya, Syria, or Iran.

Although we Americans think the European Union is a flawed notion and will not survive to fulfill its present aspirations, we hope in some strange way that it does — for both our sakes of having a proud partner in a more dangerous world to come rather than an angry and envious inferior, nursing past glories while blaming others for self-inflicted wounds of the present.

Even in this era of crisis, we cling to the notion that in the eleventh hour you, Europe, will yet reawake, rediscover your heritage, and join with us in defending the idea of the West from this latest illiberal scourge of Islamic fascism. For just once, if only for the purpose of theatrics, we would like to urge calm and restraint to a Europe angry, volatile, and threatening, in the face of blackmail and taunts from a third-rate theocracy in Tehran — or a two-bit fascist thug fomenting hate and violence from a state-subsidized mosque in a European suburb.

Alas, recently, Europeans have been taken hostage on the West Bank, Yemen, and Iraq. All have been released. There are two constants in the stories: Some sort of blackmail was no doubt involved (either cash payments or the release of terrorist killers in European jails?), and the captives often seem to praise the moderation of their captors. Is this an aberration or indicative of a deeper continental malady? Few, in either a private or public fashion, suggested that such bribery only perpetuates the kidnapping of innocents and provides cash infusions to terrorists to further their mayhem.

On the home front, a single, though bloody, attack in Madrid changed an entire Spanish election, and prompted the withdrawal of troops from Iraq — although the terrorists nevertheless continued, despite their promises to the contrary, to plant bombs and plan assassinations of Spanish judicial officials. Cry the beloved continent.

The entire legal system of the Netherlands is under review due to the gruesome murder of Theo van Gogh and politicians there who speak out about the fascistic tendencies of radical Islam often either face threats or go into hiding. Cry the beloved continent.

Unemployment, postcolonial prejudice, and de facto apartheid may have led to the fiery rioting in the French suburbs, but it was also energized by a radical Islamic culture of hate. In response followed de facto French martial law. All that remains certain is that the rioting will return either to grow or to warp liberal French society. Indeed, so far has global culture devolved in caving to Islamism that we fear that only two places in the world are now safe for a Jew to live in safety — and Europe, the graveyard of 20th-century Jewry, is tragically not among them. Cry the beloved continent.

Your idealistic approach to health care, transportation, global warming, and entitlements have won over much of coastal and blue America, who, if given their way, would replicate here what you have there. Yet the worry grows that none of this vision of your anointed is sustainable — given an aging and shrinking population, growing and unassimilated minority populations, flat growth rates, increasing statism, and high unemployment.

If America, the former British commonwealth, India, and China, embraced globalization, while the Arab Middle East rejected it, you sought a third way of insulating yourselves from it — and now are beginning to pay for trying to legislate and control what is well beyond your ability to do either.

Abroad you face even worse challenges. In the post-Cold War you dismantled your armed forces, and chose to enhance entitlements at the expense of military readiness. I fear you counted only on a tried and simple principle: That the United States would continue to subsidize European defense while ignoring your growing secular religion of anti-Americanism.

But in the last 15 years, and especially after 9/11, heaven did not come to earth, that instead became a more dangerous place than ever before. Worse, in the meantime you lost the goodwill of the United States, which you demonized, I think, on the understanding that there would never be real repercussions to your flamboyant venom.

Your courts indict American soldiers, often a few miles from the very military garrisons that alone protect you. Your media and public castigate the country whose fashion, music, entertainment, and popular culture you so slavishly embrace.

The Balkan massacres proved that a mass murderer like Slobodan Milosevic could operate with impunity in Europe until removed by the intervention of the United States. And yet from that gruesome lesson, in retrospect we over here have learned only two things: The Holocaust would have gone on unabated hours from Paris and Berlin without the leadership of United States, and in this era of the Chirac/Schroeder ingratitude the American public would never sanction such help to you again. If you believe that an American-led NATO should not serve larger Western interests outside of Europe, we concede that it cannot even do that inside it.

We wish you well in your faith that war has become obsolete and that outlaw nations will comply with international jurisprudence that was born and is nurtured in Europe. Yet your own intelligence suggests that the Iran theocracy is both acquiring nuclear weaponry and seeking to craft missile technology to put an Islamic bomb within reach of European cities — oblivious to the reasoned appeals of European Union diplomats, who themselves operate as Greek philosophers in the agora only on the condition that Americans will once more play the role of Roman legionaries in the shadows.

Russia may no longer be the mass-murdering Soviet Union, but it remains a proud nationalist and increasingly autocratic power of the 19th-century stripe, nuclear and angry at the loss of its empire, emboldened by the ease that it can starve energy supplies to Western Europe, and tired of humanitarian lectures from Westerners who have no real military to match their condescending sermons. Old Europe has neither the will nor the power to protect the ascending democracies of Eastern Europe, much less the republics of the former Soviet Union from present Russian bullying — and perhaps worse to come.

The European strategy of selling weapons to Arab autocracies, triangulating against the United States for oil and influence, and providing cash to dubious terrorists like Hamas has backfired. Polls in the West Bank suggest Palestinians hate you, the generous and accommodating, as much as they do us, the staunch ally of Israel.

So, terrorists of the Middle East seem to have even less respect for you than for the United States, given they harbor a certain contempt for your weakness as relish to the generic hatred of our shared Western traditions.

You will, of course, answer that in your postwar wisdom you have transcended the internecine killing of the earlier 20th century when nationalism and militarism ruined your continent — and that you have lent your insight to the world at large that should follow your therapeutic creed rather than the tragic vision of the United States.

But the choices are not so starkly bipolar between either chauvinistic saber rattling or studied pacifism. There is a third way, the promise of muscular democratic government that does not apologize for 2,500 years of civilization and is willing to defend it from the enemies of liberalism, who would undo all that we wrought.

A European Union that facilitates trade, finance, and commerce can enrich and ennoble your continent, but it need not suppress the unique language, character, and customs of European nationhood itself, much less abdicate a heritage that once not merely moralized about, but took action to end, evil.

The world is becoming a more dangerous place, despite your new protocols of childlessness, pacifism, socialism, and hedonism. Islamic radicalism, an ascendant Communist China, a growing new collectivism in Latin America, perhaps a neo-czarist Russia as well, in addition to the famine and savagery in Africa, all that and more threaten the promise of the West.

So criticize us for our sins; lend us your advice; impart to America the wealth of your greater experience — but as a partner and an equal in a war, not as an inferior or envious neutral on the sidelines. History is unforgiving. None of us receives exemption simply by reason of the fumes of past glory.

Either your economy will reform, your populace multiply, and your citizenry defend itself, or not. And if not, then Europe as we have known it will pass away — to the great joy of the Islamists but to the terrible sorrow of America.

Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War

 


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: europe; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 01/06/2006 5:43:22 AM PST by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links: FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson 
His website: http://victorhanson.com/     NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

2 posted on 01/06/2006 5:44:28 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Brillant analysis by VDH..spot on...what we may also see happening int he near future is a mass exodus by millions of young people..from all European countries....as the onerous cost of the entitlements implodes economies..and who will benefit from this??..Canada, Australia, and the US..


3 posted on 01/06/2006 5:52:22 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Tolik

I have no great love for Europe. Never been, never will. I don't hate Europeans, some are jerks, most aren't, the same as anywhere else. My ancestors were kicked out of most of Western Europe, and I supose I should be grateful for that, but my reason for wanting to save Europe from Islam is strictly practical. Fight there, or fight it here, just like the 1940's and the 1980's.


4 posted on 01/06/2006 5:59:18 AM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: ken5050

VDH writes: Either your economy will reform, your populace multiply, and your citizenry defend itself, or not. And if not, then Europe as we have known it will pass away — to the great joy of the Islamists but to the terrible sorrow of America.

I think they have chosen "or not" and I think they are swirling down the toilet bowl.

But times change. Enemies of old (Japan), turn into friends today. I am sorry to see Old Europe die but we need to find new friends (see India).


5 posted on 01/06/2006 5:59:49 AM PST by NeilGus
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To: ken5050; Tolik

There is a reason that my great grandfather fled Europe at the tender age of 14. I suspect that many of the remaining Europeans will also flee, and not a few will fight, in the years to come.


Don't write Europe off yet, but it will be dark times ahead.


6 posted on 01/06/2006 6:00:52 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tolik
Hanson and Steyn double ping!

It's depressing to me to see what's happening in Europe. Western civilization can't separate itself from Europe.

Will Europe act to protect itself from Islamofascism and its own suicide? I hope so, but not with idiots like Chirac leading the parade.
7 posted on 01/06/2006 6:04:02 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: Tolik

WOW! One of my favorite writers of all time! I hope some of our neighbors and friends actually read this...we live in Germany!


8 posted on 01/06/2006 6:08:27 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: ken5050

My native born German Brother - in - Law can't wait to get the heck out of Germany and over here. The interesting thing to me is that my wife's sister (the native american) is the one that is more reluctant to come here. She is somewhat a Liberal Twit, but I can at least talk to her; we have civil conversations even involving politics. My brother will probabbly make a great (if not better) Texan and a fine American.

They should be making their permanent move this spring - he just got approved for his resident Visa and is looking forward to becoming naturalized. As for my sister, she acknowledges that Texas is in better shape than CA and is putting together the correlation between prevailing politics in those states, so I have some hope for her eventual turning away from the dark side.


9 posted on 01/06/2006 6:14:44 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: Shery

well - one did.


10 posted on 01/06/2006 6:19:46 AM PST by globalheater (we need more thoughts then opinions)
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To: ken5050
Europe is in its last stages, reminicent of the last centuries during the Roman Empire. Tribute & appeasement will only work if there is a price to pay in taking it by force.

France has shown recently that it has no qualms about beginning its own, assisted-suicide.

11 posted on 01/06/2006 6:22:29 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: Tolik

Fantastic piece...........made my day. Thanks.


12 posted on 01/06/2006 6:30:56 AM PST by newcthem (9/11- not terrorists - just troubled youths.)
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To: ken5050

I love his writing. However, some part of me wishes he would just accept the fact that Europe is a lost cause. We have to stop pining for Churchill, Thatcher and Kohl - they are not coming back to lead the continent back to its feet. Instead, we need to focus on (1) making sure the same rapid end-stage decline doesn't happen here, and (2) preparing a welcome for like-minded Euro refugees who will want to escape to the US in the coming decade.


13 posted on 01/06/2006 6:42:06 AM PST by happyathome
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To: Tolik
He didn't mention that not only is Europe aging, but it doesn't even have an adequate number of young men with which to defend itself.
14 posted on 01/06/2006 6:44:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: ken5050
what we may also see happening int he near future is a mass exodus by millions of young people..from all European countries....as the onerous cost of the entitlements implodes economies..and who will benefit from this??..Canada, Australia, and the US..

No, the Democrats won't let them in unless they are from the Third World and there is a reasonable chance they can be converted into Democrat voters at some point...pre- or post-achievement of citizenship. ;)

15 posted on 01/06/2006 6:46:03 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Shery

...and there's not much wow's from my side.

This guy paints europe anti america and pro - terror and claims to cry the beloved continent.

Beloved hu ?

He doesn't welcome the european affinity of anglo american culture - he calls it slavish.

What is slavish about me favouring jazz, coke and blue jeans ? It's good stuff.

What does he want - gratitude because your grandpa won WWII ?

Tell you what ... I wake up often enough feeling grateful to be in germany living here as it is today - relatively free and independant. I know many GIs lost their lives so history could take this path. My deepest simpathy for those who suffered under the nazi regime in which way ever.

But freedom and prosperity didn't come as a gift to germany - we sure as hell paid for it and worked our asses of. The Marshall Plan was an investment and it paid of big time for the US as well as for us. Certainly things didn't work well for the other winner of WWII - the soviet union.
And if somebody has won the cold war then it's germany - now sited in the center of a new europe.

I am not trying to burry 2500 years of good history and I am aware of the moral and political values europe created.

Who's that guy insinuating this ?

You guys are invited to be partners in the future as you where in the past and are in present times. Partners on eye level as the author claims to want.

I just think that's exactly what this guy is affraid of.

Whish you all a nice weekend.


16 posted on 01/06/2006 6:50:03 AM PST by globalheater (we need more thoughts then opinions)
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To: Tolik

[Although we Americans think the European Union is a flawed notion and will not survive to fulfill its present aspirations, we hope in some strange way that it does — for both our sakes of having a proud partner in a more dangerous world to come rather than an angry and envious inferior, nursing past glories while blaming others for self-inflicted wounds of the present.]

What a turn. Very creative writing across the whole piece. The sugar brings the reader to the palm only to be slapped, scolded, educated and sent away to reform with a swift pat on the but.


17 posted on 01/06/2006 7:02:04 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Not today.)
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To: Tolik

Christopher Hitchens used to be my favorite essayist. Victor David Hanson is LIGHT YEARS ahead of him. Every article I read of his I have to save on my hard drive. Absomutely amazing.


18 posted on 01/06/2006 7:02:48 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Tolik

I would hope that this piece by VDH would be widely circulated in western Europe and that it be properly understood there. Eastern Europe is a different matter. I visit Poland twice a year, and in no way is Poland about to expire.


19 posted on 01/06/2006 7:06:01 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: globalheater

"You guys are invited to be partners in the future as you where in the past and are in present times. Partners on eye level as the author claims to want."

I wish you the best. Germany will need level headed and forward looking people in the years ahead. The mere fact that you are participating in this forum places you in the upper percentile.


20 posted on 01/06/2006 7:08:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Shery

I recommend that you print it out and anonymously put it in all the mail boxes around you.


21 posted on 01/06/2006 7:09:50 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Not today.)
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To: Tolik

bttt


22 posted on 01/06/2006 7:15:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (I am just not sure how to get from here to where we want to be.)
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To: NeilGus

Good observation.

Europe has chosen French cowardice.

That is price countries pay when they no longer have a moral basis to fall back on.


23 posted on 01/06/2006 7:36:20 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: globalheater

Right now if Iran declares war on your Germany they like the French would have to surrender immediately.

Most Middle Eastern Islamic countries have bigger and stronger armies than any country I can think of in Europe.

If it wasn't for pissing off the US, the Arabs would be marching down main street Europe.

The Jewish extermination by Hitler would seem like a picnic compared to what these Arabs would do to the general population.

How many ways can you say extermination to all non Muslims.

Pull your head out and think about what it is your supporting.


25 posted on 01/06/2006 7:45:39 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: globalheater

I think you missed VDH's point. He's saying that radical Islam poses an urgent threat to Europa, and that the current intellectual climate is such that it is impossible to consider the nature and extent of that challenge in polite company. He's not slamming Europe, just pointing out that you might want to consider manning the watch.

Your situation in Germany is different than France and the low countries, but is troubling nonetheless. Hop on the train to Rotterdam and take a trolly down to the stadium, and you'll get the idea of what VDH is talking about more directly.

There was one other article by Mark Steyn posted a couple of days ago on this topic that was more blunt. (link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550710/posts )

Here's the salient point from Steyn : "The challenge for those who reckon western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the west."

For what it's worth, I think that Steyn's more pessimistic view is correct. Sure hope I'm wrong, though.


26 posted on 01/06/2006 8:27:44 AM PST by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: Tolik
European Union diplomats, who themselves operate as Greek philosophers in the agora only on the condition that Americans will once more play the role of Roman legionaries in the shadows.

I think this time around we should start "taxing" countries for liberating them or providing security for their lame governments.

27 posted on 01/06/2006 9:54:34 AM PST by oldbrowser (No matter how cynical I get, I can't seem to keep up)
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To: Tolik
We wish you well in your faith that war has become obsolete and that outlaw nations will comply with international jurisprudence that was born and is nurtured in Europe.

That was the sad and false dream of the entire post-WWII world, not just Europe. The idea, as I remember it, was that WWII was so horrible that war in general was an unthinkable alternative in international relations.

People forget, but more to the point, young people do not believe, and to a new generation that did not experience the horrors of the camps and the trenches war seems, as it has always seemed, a viable alternative. I have yet to find in history a time when people so convinced have been talked out of the notion. And it doesn't take very many of them, either, in an age where technology offers a huge destructive force to relatively few.

There is an underlying pacifist assumption that only conquerors and would-be conquerors possess swords, and that universal disarmament will result in a rejection of force as a policy tool. That is a lesson people must un-learn as often as the "war is a first resort" lesson.

Beat the plowshares back into swords. The other was a maiden aunt's dream. - Robert Heinlein.

28 posted on 01/06/2006 10:29:15 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Tolik; mhking; rdb3; Carry_Okie; RightWhale; neverdem; Alamo-Girl; dyed_in_the_wool; ...

too good to not megaping


29 posted on 01/06/2006 10:52:34 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout; Tolik; Rummyfan

Mark Stein addressed the dying Euro nations yesterday with his insight. Between the two articles, we can see the coming demise of Europe as it has been and their impact on Blue America, aka, our disloyal Rat party.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550710/posts

It's the demography, stupid ..... Mark Steyn
The New Criterion ^ | 2 Jan 2006 | Mark Steyn


Posted on 01/02/2006 12:04:17 PM PST by Rummyfan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550710/posts


30 posted on 01/06/2006 11:00:30 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Demography is destiny.

In 50 years, the muezzin will call Allahuh Akbar from the minarets of the mosque which was once Notre Dame.


31 posted on 01/06/2006 11:05:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: King Prout

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 01/06/2006 11:16:47 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Travis McGee
In 50 years, the muezzin will call Allahuh Akbar from the minarets of the mosque which was once Notre Dame.

Given the degree to which France is nulear, methinks we have an interest in precluding that event.

33 posted on 01/06/2006 11:16:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Tolik
A decent read.

Typically, I admire the writing of VDH. But there are some points in the article I disagree with. First, I don't like the hyper-humility with which he presents America. We are not the intellectual, aesthetic, artistic and moral inferiors of Europe. We need not apologize or beg acceptance by them. Yes, we grew out of them, but as much in resistance and in contrariety to what they became as from our shared values.

That contrariety has led to the second great divide between a once powerful unity. From the beginning of our shared socio-political foundations in the soil of Attic Greece, there has been a divide between the State and the Individual. Most of what VDH refers to can be reduced to adhering to either of these principles. Much of the ills he cites are from adhering to the former. That which distinguishes American history and that is at the root of much of European and Islamofascist loathing of us (part of the ideology that unites Leftists with terrorists) is our adherence to the latter principle.

His cry for the EU to save Europe is misguided. The EU was developed by Socialists as a last-ditch effort to unify the economies of Europe in order to compete with and suffocate the free-market economy of America. It is another nail in their coffin, not a breaking-free of their shackles.

While I join him in hoping Europe pulls together to protect the foundational precepts that are the core of Western civilization, at this point we are calling for Europe to save herself from herself. That is, they need to return to the liberal (in the classical sense) principles that began when they shed the yoke of monarchy and of economic systems ruled by the central management of monarchies and other undemocratic governments. As usual, this will probably happen, if it happens, only after the cultural climate gets far more tyrannical and the bloodshed far more gruesome. In the meantime, the EU may well aid the Islamofascists in their goal of surrounding and isolating America as the last bastion of freedom to be conquered. Thus the great campaign of the State against the Individual rages on. And we Americans find ourselves, again, sacrificing much and risking all in order to preserve liberty. Cry the beloved continent.
34 posted on 01/06/2006 11:36:30 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Tolik
He's actually right this time -- the European system isn't sustainable -- but he's way too hectoring. Imagine how we'd react if a European wrote in such a condescending tone to Americans. It's not the way you treat people you want to win over. Of course, VD's not really writing to them, but to Americans who already accept his point of view.

This I have to wonder about, though:

In the multiracial society of the United States, an American black, Asian, or Latino finds natural affinity in London and Brussels in a way not true in Lagos, Ho Chi Minh City, or Lima. For millions of Americans "Eurocentric" is no slur — for it is an appellation of shared values and ideas not of race.

It was certainly true twenty or fifty years ago that Americans felt closer to Europe than to those other parts of the world. Europe was "home" even to those who weren't of predominantly European ancestry -- though of course, our relationship to Europe, whatever our race or ancestry, has been a complicated and conflicted one.

Is it still true now that Americans, White or Black or Asian or Latino feel closer to Europe than to Asia or Latin America or Australia or Africa? As different as other parts of the world may be, widespread American popular culture has a way of smoothing the way for us, at least in the cities.

Our schooling doesn't make us feel closer to Europe as it once did. If things continue in the same way for 20 more years, we'll feel as much in or out of place in Lima or Tokyo or Lagos as in Paris or Rome or Copenhagen. Of course, as other countries develop their own popular culture and make their own particular adaptations to modernity, this may all change, and make the outside world more alien.

35 posted on 01/06/2006 11:55:23 AM PST by x
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To: Billthedrill

And it doesn't take very many of them, either, in an age where technology offers a huge destructive force to relatively few.

There is an underlying pacifist assumption that only conquerors and would-be conquerors possess swords, and that universal disarmament will result in a rejection of force as a policy tool. That is a lesson people must un-learn as often as the "war is a first resort" lesson.

This is exactly what scares me the most. We in the West (and I think we can include large parts of Asia too) perfectly understand the benefits of peace.

But there were, there are now and probably always will be ruthless people who get instant advantage acting uncivilized way inside of the pacifist crowd. When such ruthless people are not just opportunist who can be bought off (at least in theory) but adherents of an irreconcilable religious fanaticism; and when technological advances allow small numbers of people to create chaos in the society that only huge armies of the past were capable of doing; all this in the open and accessible world -- it is scary. Especially so that large part of the population (half here and most abroad) deny that such threat exists at all.

The only solution is (like VDH and others noted) is for adults to quietly do their business and try to educate "teenagers" if it all possible.

36 posted on 01/06/2006 11:59:21 AM PST by Tolik
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To: globalheater
And if somebody has won the cold war then it's germany - now sited in the center of a new europe.

Are you talking about the cold war with the former Soviet Union?

Please let me know how Germany won the cold war.

Some folks around here were thinking that Ronald Reagan had a hand in that.

37 posted on 01/06/2006 12:17:04 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Tolik
I don't mind the demise of Europe. The loss of a model for our Democrats would be a blessing in disguise. If the welfare state can't be sustained over there in another generation, the odds are a European-type welfare state would die aborning in America. The Europeans act like immature children ignorant of the world's real troubles. Whether they grow up is up to them. We are quite simply tired of their anti-Americanism and refusal to shoulder their share of responsibility for the defense of the civilized world. I'm probably the last American alive whose parents were born in the old European heartlands. And if the Continent is in a predicament, it is one of its own making. For following in the footpath of the socialist philosophies is a sure and swift descent to the grave. Europe deserves better than what its present leaders have given it.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

38 posted on 01/06/2006 12:35:01 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tolik

Brilliant! Sign me up. Thanks


39 posted on 01/06/2006 1:17:34 PM PST by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: garyhope

"Hanson and Steyn double ping "

Speaking of Steyn, I am surprised I haven't seen this Mark Steyn piece (It's the Demography, Stupid!) posted on FR.
It is the perfect complement to this Hanson article and should also be saved on everyone's hard drive.
It is a bit long, but you will be richly rewarded by reading it:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760


40 posted on 01/06/2006 1:33:42 PM PST by A'elian' nation
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To: A'elian' nation

"Mark Steyn piece (It's the Demography, Stupid!)"

It's a great essay. If only I can get my "liberal" relatives and friends to read it and take it seriously.

A big part of the problem is that "liberals" are in denial about the idea that Islam is at war with Western civilization and that it's SERIOUS! Also, the "liberals" seem to not know, realize or believe that the Islamofascists want us DEAD and that they don't play by the rules! There are no rules of war for the Islamofascists.


41 posted on 01/06/2006 6:30:09 PM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: ken5050
mass exodus by millions of young people..from all European countries....

It will be sad, though, to watch as the barbarians dynamite the Acropolis, the cathedrals at Cologne and Paris, the Louvre, etc, and erect their cheesey, garish mosques on top of the rubble.

42 posted on 01/06/2006 6:39:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Carry_Okie

If that event should come to pass, it would indicate that colonizing and empire does pay off, even for third world Muslims.

Why are we holding back?


43 posted on 01/06/2006 8:09:16 PM PST by Frank T
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To: Tolik

That was some essay! Frighteningly clear, accurate analysis of Europeans rushing headlong over the cliff, like lemmings. Whew, V.D.H. pulls no punches.


44 posted on 01/06/2006 8:17:29 PM PST by hershey
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To: globalheater

V.D. Hanson isn't picking a fight with you, or the EU, he's mourning the fact that the EU doesn't seem to be able to read the tea leaves. It's actually a love letter.


45 posted on 01/06/2006 8:25:12 PM PST by hershey
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To: Tolik

And when we have a democratic party conniving with the Leftist, lying, despicable MSM to defeat the US at every turn, who secretly pray for another hideous Islamofascist attack with great loss of life in the US, it's beyond belief. We're at war, and they can't see beyond the end of their nose, pointed straight at the White House.


46 posted on 01/06/2006 8:46:37 PM PST by hershey
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To: globalheater
That means they'll start getting serious about national defense and stop US bashing, right?

As if.

47 posted on 01/06/2006 9:01:48 PM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: absalom01

saved both


48 posted on 01/07/2006 3:44:12 AM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: Tolik; King Prout

As compared to the Mark Steyn article ("It's the Demography, stupid") , this is good but comes up a bit short in my view. Perhaps VDH is simply trying to be more subtle.

In my view, Europe is heading downhill and there isn't a whole lot that can be done in the short-run to turn it around. It's not so much the current politics (which can change) as the birthrates which have simply dropped off into the abyss. As pointed out in the Mark Steyn article, you can't turn 1 baby born in 2006 into 2 entrants into the workforce in 2026.

Europe is committing the demographic equivalent of mass suicide.


49 posted on 01/07/2006 6:18:57 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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