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U.S. says bomb hit wrong house in Iraq. Strike aimed at insurgents killed 6 family members
CNN ^ | Jan 5, 2006

Posted on 01/06/2006 11:20:17 AM PST by John Jorsett

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A bomb that killed six civilians Monday near Baiji, Iraq, missed its target by 65 feet (20 meters) and hit the wrong home, military officials said.

The bomb, which was dropped by a U.S. fighter plane, was aimed at a building that three men entered after planting a roadside bomb as an unmanned surveillance plane watched from overhead, the officials said.

A U.S. Navy F-14 Tomcat fighter jet strafed the building before the bomb was dropped, according to a U.S. military statement released after the nighttime attack.

The bomb had "successful effects against the insurgents," the statement added.

The strike flattened a family's home, killing six of the family members and wounding three others, said a spokesman for the Salaheddin provincial governor's office. A father and daughter survived with only minor injuries, he said.

The Baiji strike was one of 58 air missions the U.S. military carried out Monday over Iraq.

U.S. military officials said they are investigating why the wrong building was hit.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; antiamericanism; iraq; mediabias; propaganda; saddamites; sorry; zogyism
This is unfortunate.
1 posted on 01/06/2006 11:20:18 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

Will be one of the top 3 stories leading off tonight's MSM news.


2 posted on 01/06/2006 11:21:25 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Roll the bomb camera footage of the passenger train in Kosovo.


3 posted on 01/06/2006 11:23:14 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: John Jorsett

Want to bet everyone in the neighborhood knew and knows who was setting up IED's?

Iraqis need to decide which type of society they want.
If they want basic security and a normal life then they need to make it "unacceptable" to be an insurgent and turn these guys in. Especially Iraqi women. Talk about no win. Only then will fewer innocents die.


4 posted on 01/06/2006 11:25:36 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: massgopguy

That passenger train was in the heart of Belgrade.

Maybe the Iraqis should take the lesson to heart - having terrorists nearby endangers your life, so if you're not willing to be a sacrifice for their cause you should do everything you can to make sure they are not able to operate in your neighborhood.


5 posted on 01/06/2006 11:27:31 AM PST by thoughtomator (Illegal immigrants come to America for a better life - yours!)
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To: John Jorsett
The Baiji strike was one of 58 air missions the U.S. military carried out Monday over Iraq.

U.S. military officials said they are investigating why the wrong building was hit.

Pajama People should investigate why this is the only one of 58 missions in one night that Time-Life-Warner-Turner-CNN chose to report on.

6 posted on 01/06/2006 11:28:56 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: silverleaf

moral of the story

don't live so close to them

or turn them in if you wanna remove the risk of an accidental bombing.... from either side


7 posted on 01/06/2006 11:29:00 AM PST by jackson29
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To: John Jorsett

I haven't been in the military so this is strictly coming from a civilian... but if a Predator sees insurgents setting up a road side bomb and then they walk away to a house, then I'm assuming it would be pretty dangerous to bomb that house because of the chance of their being civilians inside. From a military perspective, I'm wondering why they wouldn't surround the house instead?


8 posted on 01/06/2006 11:29:18 AM PST by ruschpa
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To: weegee

Let me guess, it was a house of innocent people having a wedding celebration!


9 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:05 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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To: ruschpa

A) No appropriate forces in the area, and
B) urban combat is very high risk.


10 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:06 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: John Jorsett

OH Well. Thus are the fortunes of war.


11 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (Gael Murphy is a bug)
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To: jackson29
moral of the story

don't live so close to them

or turn them in

That's the same excuse the DEA uses when they mistakenly break down the wrong door and shoot an innocent victim.

12 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: John Jorsett

Indeed. missed by 65 feet, should have been a 85 foot bomb


13 posted on 01/06/2006 11:34:39 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: John Jorsett

Just to be picky - I was under the impression the F-14 is no longer in service.


14 posted on 01/06/2006 11:35:14 AM PST by Fatuncle (Were I not ignorant, I would not be here to learn things from you.)
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To: John Jorsett

You know, the poor quality of writing in major news outlets continues to amaze me.

Which building was strafed? The correct building, or the one hit by the bomb? Did the bomb miss, or was it simply targeted on the wrong building?


15 posted on 01/06/2006 11:38:52 AM PST by Fatuncle (Were I not ignorant, I would not be here to learn things from you.)
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To: Fatuncle

The F-14 is being phased out, but it's still in service.


16 posted on 01/06/2006 11:40:00 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: Fatuncle
I was under the impression the F-14 is no longer in service.

You were mistaken. VF-31 and VF-213 embarked onboard the Theodore Roosevelt are both flying the F-14D. This cruise will be the final one for a Tomcat equipped squadron.

17 posted on 01/06/2006 11:40:23 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: ruschpa
if a Predator sees insurgents setting up a road side bomb and then they walk away to a house, then I'm assuming it would be pretty dangerous to bomb that house because of the chance of their being civilians inside. From a military perspective, I'm wondering why they wouldn't surround the house instead?

Who is "they"? Do you really think the controllers of these predators can just call 9-11 and have troops on the ground ready to show up at any house? Plus send over troops to protect those troops while they surround the house of bad guys in a neighborhood riddled with bad guys? Give our guys credit for trying real hard to spare civilians and not fight this war the way Clinton and Weasley Clark "fought" in Bosnia... bombs away! From 35,000 feet.
18 posted on 01/06/2006 11:45:04 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: John Jorsett

Where's the 'here we go again' picture.....the libs will have a hay day over this....can you just hear the deanybaby and murcha jacking their jaws????


19 posted on 01/06/2006 11:46:46 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

OKay then just write it off as operator error or hardware failure. or hardware calibration


20 posted on 01/06/2006 11:52:18 AM PST by jackson29
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Collateral damage.


21 posted on 01/06/2006 11:57:15 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: John Jorsett
So did we ever get the 3, or did they get away?

Sounds like we need to use much bigger bombs.

22 posted on 01/06/2006 12:01:51 PM PST by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: verity

125 dead from a suicide bomber today, yet this will lead tonight.


23 posted on 01/06/2006 12:03:29 PM PST by enraged
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To: Semper Paratus
Will be one of the top 3 stories leading off tonight's MSM news.

I agree. Not to sound insensitive, but these things happen in the time of war. Does anyone ever remember about when we and the British carpet bombed Berlin, Dresden? How about Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

24 posted on 01/06/2006 12:10:51 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

If we hit the right house and sent 25 jihadists to hell it wouldn't make the news.


25 posted on 01/06/2006 12:12:26 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: John Jorsett
This is unfortunate.

Yeah, it is. The US is trying to limit these incidents by building accurate ordinance .. but shite happens in war.

At least we're not doing it the old fashioned way like we did in WWII ... by leveling everything ans then sorting it out

26 posted on 01/06/2006 12:13:50 PM PST by tx_eggman (Leave them whimpering in a pool of sweat - Hook'em Horns)
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To: massgopguy

bump


27 posted on 01/06/2006 12:25:54 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: ruschpa
Because surrounding the house with ground forces and trying to bring only the insurgents out while keeping everyone else alive is a very very dangerous proposition. Insurgents don't have a great big "I'm the bad guy" sign on their backs and then generally don't like to be taken alive. They'd use the innocent as human shields.

Add to that our obsession with keeping death rates low (and thus out of the media spotlight) and it's much safer, for everyone, to bomb the target into oblivion. One miss out of 58 missions and you figure they probably fly 45-70 missions per day with no misses? Those are odds I'd take any day.
28 posted on 01/06/2006 12:28:11 PM PST by brothers4thID ("Kerry demands that Iraqis terrorize children in the dead of night")
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To: tx_eggman

Good point. That picture really is worth 1000 words.


29 posted on 01/06/2006 12:30:22 PM PST by brothers4thID ("Kerry demands that Iraqis terrorize children in the dead of night")
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To: John Jorsett

msm could write a book just on this block.. wrong house hit wrong house hit wrong apartment complex hit no german artillery there ... etc...

30 posted on 01/06/2006 12:44:01 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: John Jorsett
That is war. What is amazing is not that it happens but that it happens so RARELY. The US Military is consistently closer to perfection then almost any other US organization. It is VERY much closer to perfection in comparison to US "Journalism". That is even more amazing considering the difficult of what they do day in and day out compared to the "Journalists".
31 posted on 01/06/2006 12:53:14 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Marine Corp T-Shirt "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." {Both Arabic and English})
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To: ruschpa
I'm wondering why they wouldn't surround the house instead?

They are solider not cops. They kill them, they do NOT arrest them. It's war. Americans need to wake up to that.

32 posted on 01/06/2006 12:54:48 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Marine Corp T-Shirt "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." {Both Arabic and English})
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"That's the same excuse the DEA uses when they mistakenly break down the wrong door and shoot an innocent victim."

Terrorists do not have Constitutional Rights. This is war, the DEA raid is not. Drug Abusers are still Citizens, Terrorists are not.
33 posted on 01/06/2006 12:57:49 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Marine Corp T-Shirt "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." {Both Arabic and English})
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To: John Jorsett

Message to Iraqis:

If your neighbor is planting roadside bombs, you might want to pick up the phone and give us call.

Sometimes we miss.

Better to get cash-in-hand than to end up as ash in a can.


34 posted on 01/06/2006 1:05:58 PM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Thank you for that -- I was trying to put my thoughts into words -- you did it.


35 posted on 01/06/2006 1:35:04 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: StarCMC
"Thank you for that -- I was trying to put my thoughts into words -- you did it"

:-)

36 posted on 01/06/2006 1:39:22 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Marine Corp T-Shirt "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." {Both Arabic and English})
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you! I had read comments on the phase-out, but had gathered that it had already happened.


37 posted on 01/06/2006 2:00:10 PM PST by Fatuncle (Were I not ignorant, I would not be here to learn things from you.)
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Wonder if ROVER was being utilized.

http://www.blackanthem.com/scitech/military_2005121501.html

ROVER System Revolutionizes F-14's Ground Support Capability

As F-14 Tomcat aircraft 207 of the "Blacklions" of Fighter Squadron (VF) 213 launched the morning of Dec. 11, history was made.

For the first time, a forward ground controller, with the call sign of "Antidote," located on the ground near Baghdad, was invited "into" the cockpit of the aircraft via the Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receiver (ROVER) system.

"The new system allows forward ground controllers to see what the aircraft is seeing in real time," said Lt. j.g. Will Parish, radar interceptor officer. "There is no time delay in the system."

ROVER allowed Antidote to see real-time images acquired by the aircraft’s sensors by transmitting the images to his laptop. Usage of ROVER greatly improved Antidote’s reconnaissance and target identification, which are essential to the combat air support mission in Iraq.

The development team arrived aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) Dec. 10 to install the first ROVER systems onto the Tomcats. The squadron maintainers are quickly learning the modification process, providing both VF-213 and VF-31 with complete ROVER capability within a few days.

ROVER upgrades to Carrier Air Wing 8 Tomcats will more than double the number of aircraft flying Operation Iraqi Freedom missions with this unique capability.

Before ROVER capability, ground controllers had to rely on “visual talk-ons” to hunt for IEDs, track insurgents or follow suspicious vehicles. The ground controller would have a map he used to guide the pilots where they needed to go.

"The ground controllers are excited because it eliminates talk-ons," said Parish. "It gives them a lot more confidence when making decisions such as dropping bombs, because they have the same real-time bird's eye view as [the pilots] do."

A joint VF-31/VF-213 investigation revealed that it would be possible to modify the F-14D Tomcat with off-the-shelf technology for a mere $800 per aircraft.

A team of F-14D experts from the PMA-241 staff at Naval Air Station Paxtuxet River, Md., was presented with this idea in early November, and were able to research, develop, and field this technology within a six-week window.

Grumman employees from Naval Air Station Oceana and members of the fleet support team from Naval Air Systems Command Depot (NADEP) Jacksonville were assembled to perform the aircraft modification.

"Technology makes us more viable because we have a tool other platforms don't have," said Parish. "ROVER gives us the advantage because ground controllers now prefer us." From USS Theodore Roosevelt Public Affairs

38 posted on 01/06/2006 7:11:06 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: John Jorsett

This is indeed unfortunate, but if Iraqi's got together to help stop terrorists ('insurgents'), coming in from Iran or Syria, this would never happen again.


39 posted on 01/06/2006 7:15:30 PM PST by hershey
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40 posted on 01/06/2006 7:25:24 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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