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Dawkins: Religion equals 'child abuse'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/8/06

Posted on 01/07/2006 10:26:53 PM PST by LibWhacker

Scientist compares Moses to Hitler, calls New Testament 'sado-masochistic doctrine'

Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed "Darwin's Rottweiler," calls religion a "virus" and faith-based education "child abuse" in a two-part series he wrote and appears in that begins airing on the UK's Channel 4, beginning tomorrow evening.

Entitled "Root of All Evil?," the series features the atheist Dawkins visiting Lourdes, France, Colorado Springs, Colo., the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and a British religious school, using each of the venues to argue religion subverts reason.

In "The God Delusion," the first film in the series, Dawkins targets Catholicism at the pilgrimage site in Lourdes. "If you want to experience the medieval rituals of faith, the candle light, the incense, music, important-sounding dead languages, nobody does it better than the Catholics," he says.

Dawkins, using his visit to Colorado Springs' New Life Church, criticizes conservative U.S. evangelicals and warns his audience of the influence of "Christian fascism" and "an American Taliban."

The backdrop of the al-Aqsa mosque and an American-born Jew turned fundamentalist Muslim who tells Dawkins to prepare for the Islamic world empire – and who clashes with him after saying he hates atheists – rounds out the first program's case for the delusions of the faithful.

In part two, "The Virus of Faith," Dawkins attacks the teaching of religion to children, calling it child abuse.

"Innocent children are being saddled with demonstrable falsehoods," he says. "It's time to question the abuse of childhood innocence with superstitious ideas of hellfire and damnation. Isn't it weird the way we automatically label a tiny child with its parents' religion?"

"Sectarian religious schools," Dawkins asserts, have been "deeply damaging" to generations of children.

Dawkins, who makes no effort to disguise his atheism and contempt for religion, focuses on the Bible, too.

"The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous, and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist," he says. Dawkins then criticizes Abraham, compares Moses to Hitler and Saddam Hussein, and calls the New Testament "St Paul's nasty, sado-masochistic doctrine of atonement for original sin."

John Deighan, a spokesman for the Catholic Church, took issue with Dawkin's denunciation of religion, telling the Glasgow Sunday Herald, "Dawkins is well known for his vitriolic attacks on faith, and I think faith has withstood his attacks. He really is going beyond his abilities as a scientist when he starts to venture into the field of philosophy and theology. He is the guy with demonstrable problems."

Madeline Bunting, a columnist for the Guardian, who reviewed the series, wrote: "There's an aggrieved frustration that [atheist humanists] have been short-changed by history – we were supposed to be all atheist rationalists by now. Secularization was supposed to be an inextricable part of progress. Even more grating, what secularization there has been is accompanied by the growth of weird irrationalities from crystals to ley lines. As G.K. Chesterton pointed out, the problem when people don't believe in God is not that they believe nothing, it is that they believe anything."

Dawkins, perhaps best know for his much-cited comment that evolution "made it possible to be an intellectually satisfied atheist," appeals to John Lennon in a commentary he authored for the Belfast Telegraph on the eve of his program's premiere: "Religion may not be the root of all evil, but it is a serious contender. Even so it could be justified, if only its claims were true. But they are undermined by science and reason. Imagine a world where nobody is intimidated against following reason, wherever it leads. "You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one."


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1 posted on 01/07/2006 10:26:58 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

True that there's no point extorting false faith out of kids. I've seen that too much, and Dawkins exploits this to make all religions seem cult-ish and sinister.


2 posted on 01/07/2006 10:36:25 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: LibWhacker

Another fruicake..


3 posted on 01/07/2006 10:37:51 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: LibWhacker

Isn't this whole comparing everything to Hitler by the left getting really old already?


4 posted on 01/07/2006 10:38:06 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: sheik yerbouty

Yep. Watch how this one develops, though.


5 posted on 01/07/2006 10:43:23 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("There they go again...")
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To: LibWhacker

Unfortunately every concentration camp built in this century was built by an atheist. Next question?


6 posted on 01/07/2006 10:51:09 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: LibWhacker
Onion headline I'd like to see:

Richard Dawkins Surprised To Find Self In Hell

:-D )))

7 posted on 01/07/2006 10:55:44 PM PST by RichInOC (...I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I just couldn't resist.)
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To: LibWhacker

No, really, if Screwtape's toast was anywhere near the truth, I fully expect Dawkins and Fred Phelps to be blended into a bottle of sparkling Pharisee by and by.


8 posted on 01/07/2006 11:02:00 PM PST by RichInOC (...Screwtape, Democrat for President 2008: Why Not The Beast?)
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To: LibWhacker

Dawkins = reason why Intelligent Design has so much traction.


9 posted on 01/07/2006 11:06:21 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: LibWhacker
Richard Dawkins, dubbed "Darwin's Rottweiler,"

That never fails to amuse me. Although Dawkins is rather...extreme...I have to say that: Imagine a world where nobody is intimidated against following reason, wherever it leads is worth repeating.
10 posted on 01/07/2006 11:11:31 PM PST by Vive ut Vivas
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To: LibWhacker
The truth of the matter is, is that satan is the root of all evil, and richard dawkins is his disciple.
11 posted on 01/07/2006 11:32:47 PM PST by A6M3
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To: LibWhacker

Dawkins is a cleric in the church of evolutionism... His sermons do not interest me -he should stick with science...


12 posted on 01/07/2006 11:38:03 PM PST by DBeers ()
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To: LibWhacker

**Dawkins, perhaps best know for his much-cited comment that evolution "made it possible to be an intellectually satisfied atheist,"***

long after Dawkins has returned to dust and ashes and is forgotten, the name of Jehovah and Christ will still resonate through out the land.


13 posted on 01/07/2006 11:40:35 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: darkangel82

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Isn't this whole comparing everything to Hitler by the left getting really old already?
<<

Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you, Adolph?


:-)


14 posted on 01/08/2006 12:22:16 AM PST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: RichInOC
No, really, if Screwtape's toast was anywhere near the truth, I fully expect Dawkins and Fred Phelps to be blended into a bottle of sparkling Pharisee by and by.

Let's hope we never get added to the ingredients list (!!)

Cheers!

15 posted on 01/08/2006 12:25:33 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LibWhacker

Gee, good thing that evolution isn't a threat to religion, isn't it?


16 posted on 01/08/2006 12:35:13 AM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman

There's a difference between religionists and christians. Religion is man-made but Christians are the work of Christ.

Dawkins is a religionist


17 posted on 01/08/2006 12:49:24 AM PST by caffe
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To: LibWhacker
I've gotten many useful ideas from R Dawkin's books. I read the "Blind Watchmaker" years ago. I halfway agree with him. But this TV series is rabidly anti-religion and a low point for Richard Dawkins. This kind of foolishness is why Europe will wither and die under the faster breeding Muslims. Muslims have a great cultic faith, build enormous mosques, while church attendance plummets in Europe. It's a survival of the fittest match that Richard Dawkins is oblivious to. The faith-full will vanquish the faith-less. The faithful Muslims are commanded to Jihad-conquest-conversion until the world is Muslim. They are commanded to emulate Muhammad's bloody life. While the faithless of Europe are Dawkin's ideal rational people who by default are conceding their continent to the Muslim lumpen due to low birthrates.

You don't have time for children when you are reveling in your sexual freedom (both sexes) and your own personal consumerist "now". Having children, many children, means you are future oriented, not "now" oriented. When your world is only on the material level, is only what is in front of you, you become "now" oriented. More sensory and pleasure oriented

18 posted on 01/08/2006 12:55:23 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Buggman
Gee, good thing that evolution isn't a threat to religion, isn't it?

Whacko Dawkins lets it all hang out here in his TV series. It's what he's been building up to for years. He hurts the evolutionist cause, makes it seem the cat's paw of atheists

19 posted on 01/08/2006 1:00:24 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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Dawkins has finally jumped the couch.


20 posted on 01/08/2006 1:03:24 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: LibWhacker
"In "The God Delusion,"---Dawkins targets Catholicism ---. "If you want to experience the medieval rituals of faith, the candle light, the incense, music, important-sounding dead languages, nobody does it better than the Catholics," he says."

Satan always attacks the Catholic Church, because he knows it's the true Church of Jesus Christ and that it represents the biggest obstacle on earth against his unholy plans. When scientists spew their hatred for religion and specifically name the Catholic Church, we Catholics humbly wear it as a badge of honor. They are 'scientists' indeed, for they have discovered how to turn venom into a faith-strengthening tonic.

21 posted on 01/08/2006 1:06:40 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: dennisw
"You don't have time for children when you are reveling in your sexual freedom (both sexes) and your own personal consumerist "now". Having children, many children, means you are future oriented, not "now" oriented. When your world is only on the material level, is only what is in front of you, you become "now" oriented. More sensory and pleasure oriented"

Wow, how beautiful, the truth. Thank you for these words.

22 posted on 01/08/2006 1:11:27 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: TheCrusader

Thanks ... I'm trying.
Who can deny that European Muslims are not more future oriented than the native white Europeans? Them having lots of children (paid for by various European social welfare systems of course) is the best evidence. Native Europeans are paying for Muslims to breed. Faster than they would otherwise

Thus the pridefully atheistic, such as R Dawkins, finance their own demise and Europe's demise


23 posted on 01/08/2006 1:22:42 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: dennisw
"Native Europeans are paying for Muslims to breed."

Much the same as Americans are paying dearly for illegal aliens to fill the void here caused by abortion and birth control.
Both Europe and North America are being overrun by foreignors who refuse to assimilate into our culture, bringing their 3rd world religions, morals and values to take root and conquer us through supplanting our way of life with theirs.

24 posted on 01/08/2006 1:58:57 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: LibWhacker
Yes let's get right down to what evolution is really all about. Now "God" has not been allowed in the socialistic public school system for decades and yet not one of the anti-God rulers of education have the spine to step up and take responsibility for what they have created.
25 posted on 01/08/2006 2:07:42 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: TheCrusader
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26 posted on 01/08/2006 2:18:44 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: TheCrusader

Satan doesn't confine his attacks of Christians only to the Catholic Church. Only those with a relationship with the Son of God are the true Church of Jesus the Christ. God does not limit those He saves to only one denomination. I would agree that the Catholic Church is a popular target due to its size and worldwide influence. I also agree with you that to be persecuted for Jesus is indeed an honor.


27 posted on 01/08/2006 2:28:56 AM PST by skr ("That book [Bible], sir, is the rock on which our republic rests."--Andrew Jackson)
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To: skr
Satan believes he is 'god' and uses whatever means necessary to deceive whomever he can. Remember what he offered Christ? While many think of him with horns and red underwear he is described as the most beautiful being. Kinda like a 'hollywood hunk'.
28 posted on 01/08/2006 2:34:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: LibWhacker
Controversial scientist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins, dubbed "Darwin's Rottweiler,"

More like "Darwin's Howard Dean".

Actually, Dawkins' slurs are regularly parroted by the Darwinists on the threads posted by "he who will ping the admin".

29 posted on 01/08/2006 2:35:22 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: LibWhacker
Imagine a world where nobody is intimidated against following reason, wherever it leads.

It existed -- The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 1918-1991, ca. 100 million murdered. All very rational, thank you very much.

30 posted on 01/08/2006 2:45:36 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Hacksaw
The Darwinists also claim that the majority of evolutionists in USA are 'Christians'. Dawkins had squelched that myth.
31 posted on 01/08/2006 2:47:47 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: LibWhacker

Richard Dawkins is to science what Pat Robertson is to Christianity. Both about as extreme as they can get.


32 posted on 01/08/2006 3:05:51 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ExpandNATO
"Dawkins = reason why Intelligent Design has so much traction"

Umm, What traction? Where?

33 posted on 01/08/2006 3:18:10 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: darkangel82
Isn't this whole comparing everything to Hitler by the left getting really old already?

Considering Hitler was a socialist, whose greatest influences were Marx and Engels, yes.
34 posted on 01/08/2006 3:20:11 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Cincinatus
"It existed -- The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 1918-1991, ca. 100 million murdered. All very rational, thank you very much."

You can say many things about the Soviet Union but never try to pass it off as the home of rationality and reason. The name of T. Lysenko might be worth a google search for you and then you might look up the amount of money, time and effort they put into UFO's, ESP and a bunch of other non-rational fields of study to say nothing of marxism, the least rational delusion in history

35 posted on 01/08/2006 3:22:36 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods
That wasn't my point -- it was that the communism claimed to be a rational system. "From each according to his abilities... To each according to his needs." When Lenin ordered the extermination of the kulaks, it was all quite rational -- the kulaks opposed collectivization of agriculture, that collectivization was necessary for the revolution, hence the kulaks must be exterminated. Q.E.D.

I'll also note that the Nazis likewise claimed hyper-rationality. It's much easier to get your minions to exterminate whole classes of people when they think it's the logical thing to do.

It was the worship of reason that led to these atrocities. Remember the "Goddess of Reason" that Robespierre wanted the French people to worship? That led directly to The Terror.

36 posted on 01/08/2006 3:38:40 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Cincinatus
"That wasn't my point -- it was that the communism claimed to be a rational system."

Ahhh, I get it. Let's just resolve to be very skeptical of any organization that claims, without proof, to be rational or to hold a higher truth. That'll keep us both from error.

37 posted on 01/08/2006 3:44:22 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: LibWhacker

Here we see evolution coming out of the closet and exposing itself as anti-God and Antichrist.


38 posted on 01/08/2006 3:56:10 AM PST by RoadTest ( Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: -Luke 12:51)
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To: dennisw
I've gotten many useful ideas from R Dawkin's books. I read the "Blind Watchmaker" years ago. I halfway agree with him. But this TV series is rabidly anti-religion and a low point for Richard Dawkins.

I haven't paid enough attention to Dawkins to know if I "halfway agree with him" or not. As a non-believer, albeit one who is deeply respectful of our Judeo-Christian heritage, it is likely that I ~would~ agree with the science part. But I certainly share your contempt for Dawkins ugly, arrogant hostility toward people of faith.

I believe in the unfettered use of the intellect, but I have the paleo's genetic aversion to radical "reforms" based on any recent theory, especially theories brought forth by those who live their lives in rarefied abstraction little connected to real life, families, and nature's earth (which they invariable claim to love).

Judeo-Christianity, IMHO, is the wellspring and the lifeblood of mankind's gentler instincts, notwithstanding the facts that human beings, cloaked in these spiritualities, have at times behave abominably.

(I admire your excellent post, dennisw.)

39 posted on 01/08/2006 4:39:39 AM PST by LK44-40
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To: TheCrusader

I took it as a backhanded compliment.

There's nothing quite like Easter vigil in Latin...


40 posted on 01/08/2006 4:59:12 AM PST by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: Vive ut Vivas
I have to say that: Imagine a world where nobody is intimidated against following reason, wherever it leads is worth repeating.

Besides the radical Muslims, where do you see this intellectual intimidation? The days of Galileo are long gone. Get over it already!

41 posted on 01/08/2006 5:01:31 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: LibWhacker
Good morning.

Dawkins: God is dead. God: See ya soon.

5.56mm

42 posted on 01/08/2006 5:07:20 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: LibWhacker
John Deighan, a spokesman for the Catholic Church, took issue with Dawkin's denunciation of religion, telling the Glasgow Sunday Herald, "Dawkins is well known for his vitriolic attacks on faith, and I think faith has withstood his attacks. He really is going beyond his abilities as a scientist when he starts to venture into the field of philosophy and theology. He is the guy with demonstrable problems."

An excellent response by the spokesman for the Catholic Church. Dawkins is using the prestige of science to bolster his attacks the religion. But Dawkins is not talking as a scientist when he takes on religious questions.

43 posted on 01/08/2006 5:25:47 AM PST by Logophile
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To: TheCrusader

bringing their 3rd world religions>>

Like the Holy, Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, jack?


44 posted on 01/08/2006 5:54:32 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: LibWhacker

rational debate on this issue is difficult when "wacko radicals" grab the headlines...


45 posted on 01/08/2006 5:54:44 AM PST by thejokker
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To: TheCrusader; LibWhacker
Robert A. Heinlein said ( and I don't know where he got it from) "Children live in the present, adults live in the future, old people live in the past." Today many physically mature people are still children (i.e. present oriented, not future oriented). Perhaps it has always been so. It is a mistake that people often make to believe that "things are worse now than they have ever been." But I wonder if at some point the massive number of children who never grow up will lead to catastrophe.
46 posted on 01/08/2006 7:05:31 AM PST by Cheburashka
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To: TheCrusader

Ironically enough, Catholics have no problem with the theory of evolution as a theory. But at some point in the past, even if we cannot identify where that point was, our previously animal ancestors became something more than mere animals, something "made in the image of God".


47 posted on 01/08/2006 7:10:05 AM PST by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka
I wonder if at some point the massive number of children who never grow up will lead to catastrophe.

Children, happily, will always be with us. But the conditions of modern life -- prosperity, mass communication, modern transportation -- have uprooted children from their family moorings. Children have the jingle in their pocket and little restraint from the wisdom of adults. There is a merchandising juggernaut (Hollywood, TV, the music industry, the clothing industry, HOWARD STERN) constantly offering them unhealthy, even poisonous, treats. Sadly, (the successes of home schooling notwithstanding) this set of historical circumstances is very hard for parents to resist.

48 posted on 01/08/2006 8:34:12 AM PST by LK44-40
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To: LibWhacker
The atheist High Priest of Darwinism, emboldened by the Dover decision, issues to the world his homily on child-rearing.

We should all feel so blessed amd enlightened now, especially those of us who are actually doing the hard work of rearing children in a society dominated by cultural atheism.

49 posted on 01/08/2006 8:39:09 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: LibWhacker

What about all the mass murders committed by atheists? The French Revolution, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Holocaust.

There is not even evidence, other than the bible, that the ancient Israelites committed any massacres of Canaanites or Midianites or Moabites. If the bible is just a bunch of made up myths, it never even happened.


50 posted on 01/08/2006 8:39:12 AM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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