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Eight House Dems Back Impeachment Probe (Demsheviks in action)
News Max ^ | 01/08/06 | News max

Posted on 01/08/2006 7:35:22 AM PST by dbostan

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The sad thing is some people on FR will support these kooks.


51 posted on 01/08/2006 6:59:25 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Those Who Want to Impeach President Bush Are the Party of Treason.)
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To: balch3
Which brings up he question, what if the RATS take over the house and Senate in 2006? I don't think it will happen, but worst case scenario, what if? You know they'll try to impeach the President. What should we do about it?

1] Put your fears aside.

2] Don't focus on the Dems.

3] Get adamant with the pubbies. Push them to the right

4] The only way that the Dems take over is if we allow the pubbies to behave and govern like Dems.

5] If we push Bush and Congress to the right, they are safe from everything but the tears of the left and its media machine.

6] Watch his/their approvals go up by doing the 'right' thing.

52 posted on 01/09/2006 10:19:19 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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Thanks for the ping.


53 posted on 01/09/2006 10:41:03 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Cheburashka; BJungNan

The Republicans did more than enough to stymie the impeachment by refusing the House Managers the time to put on its case. They also limited the evidence that could be shown.

Thank you Trent Lott. Thank you Rick Santorum.


54 posted on 01/09/2006 11:03:12 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: dbostan

The rats have been calling for impeachment since December 12, 2000.


55 posted on 01/09/2006 11:06:42 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Badray

No, the case made no difference. The House Managers could have talked for a thousand hours. The Democrats would never have convicted. Period. And the media would never have covered it in a way that the case would have a fair hearing outside the Senate.
You can blame Republicans if you want, but if the effort cannot succeed, a case can be made to cut it short and not waste everyone's time.
But as I said, you can blame Republicans if you feel they should have wasted the time.


56 posted on 01/09/2006 11:25:41 AM PST by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka

The managers should have been allowed to make their case. Those who saw the evidence in the Ford Office Bldg did vote to convict -- even the Dems. Some of them left the room in tears after viewing it because it was so horrific.

By shortcutting the presentation, the 'jury' and the American people were denied the truth. That isn't a good thing. Ever.


57 posted on 01/09/2006 3:14:38 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Badray
By shortcutting the presentation, the 'jury' and the American people were denied the truth. That isn't a good thing. Ever.
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A case can be made that you are correct. The people who were in charge decided that since defeat was inevitable there was no point in dragging the defeat out over weeks. That would only make the defeat greater. They may have been wrong.
We got the presidency, we got both houses of congress. We can never know if that would have happened if we had fought as you wish we had.
Either way we are where we and we have to live with the consequences.
Do you think we would have won in 2000 if Clinton had been convicted and Gore had been a sitting president? I don't know.
58 posted on 01/09/2006 3:52:23 PM PST by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka

Well if the jury never sees any evidence, we wouldn't get many convictions in court either.

Rather than anyone being impressed with 'President Gore' as a sitting president, he would have revealed himself to be the total idiot that we knew him to be. Bush's win would've been a landslide had Clinton been convicted. People would have been horrified, both at the evidence and at Gore's performance.

Always do the right thing and don't fear the outcome. Your fears can paralyze you into inaction.

I think that the pubbies should let the Dems push this impeachment stuff. Let them make asses of themselves. There are things -- lots of them -- that I am unhappy with Bush over, but the Dems don't have a case based on any of the nonsense shown here.


59 posted on 01/09/2006 7:14:28 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Badray

Perhaps you are right. And perhaps the American people would have been disgusted by the apparent inability of the Republicans to let go of a lost cause and the Democrats would have won a landslide in 2000.
The press was able to portray Clinton as presidential, I expect they would have been able to do the same with Gore. The realities in both cases did not matter.
Sometimes admitting you've lost the present battle allows you to start preparing to win the next one. Look at the Democrats now. They won't admit that the 2000 election was lost, and they are stuck trying to reverse that election even today. And they aren't getting anywhere.
The decisions were made and we live with the consequences. We will never know what might have been. But you seem to assume that the result would HAVE to be better than it is now, I recognize it might have been worse.


60 posted on 01/10/2006 1:32:37 AM PST by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka

It's not as simple as seeing the glass half full or half empty.

Let's dispose of Gore first. Slick Willy was slick. That's how he got that name. I've met people who worked for him until they realized what he was. They despised him, but they were still in awe of his abilty to work a crowd and charm people.

Gore, OTOH, couldn't do what Slick got away with. Sure the media would have tried to keep up a facade to make him look good, but it would be like me trying to pass myself off as Tom Selleck. I can be smooth and charming, but I am undertall for my weight and more often compared to Michael Moore. Some things just cannot be papered over.

By not allowing a full trial, the GOP leaders gave credence to the notion that it was just about oral sex with a consenting adult when it was so much more than that. Sure everyone loves sex. Consensual sex. What he did was brutal and forced and even the crowd that likes rough sex isn't in favor of forced, violent rape. Okay, some are, but the majority of normal people aren't and a real trial would have revealed more of that.

Consider this. Had the Senate still not voted to convict after seeing the evidence, they too would have paid a price at the next election. As it was, the GOP Senate leadership made the House Managers look like petty prudes prying into someone's personal life and it was they who paid the price.

Oh how things could be different if people were just not afraid to do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.


61 posted on 01/10/2006 9:43:49 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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