Posted on 01/08/2006 8:23:26 PM PST by WestTexasWend
Superintendents and principals would be allowed to carry firearms in school to protect students and teachers if a proposed bill passes in the upcoming legislative session.
School boards would have to approve principals and superintendents taking firearms on campus, according to House Bill 2075 filed by Rep. Glen Bud Smithson, D-Sallisaw. Superintendents and principals would be required to have a conceal-carry permit.
The proposal allows school administrators to carry weapons only on school property where they are employed, he said.
Smithson, a firearms safety instructor and retired police officer, said he wrote the bill at the request of rural school superintendents and principals.
Sad that it's come to this...but an excellent idea. I hope this passes.
Needs to be expanded to include teachers.
So lemme get this straight. We won't let the principal whoop the a$$e$ of the kids who need it but we will let them shoot them if they get really out of control ?
The gym teacher I had in grade school got transfered to an inner city school and the rumor was he kept a 45 in his desk.
I'm not necessarily against this but good luck getting past the federal laws.
It will never pass. Not PC.
And they are going to protect who?....
Bwahahahaha.....let the male teachers with military experience carry concealed and then you will have the protection you need...not until...
Of course that probably means the school district will have to drop their discriminatory hiring practices in order to find qualified male teachers with prior service...
imo
No, they can only be shot if they do not take their ritalin.
Anyway, this is a crazy idea, I can't imagine giving the school PRINCIPAL the responsibility of armed response.
Well, Oklahoma beat Texas again! I think this is a wonderful, sensible thing to do--and should be repeated in schools everywhere! I hope it passes.
> I'm not necessarily against this but good luck
> getting past the federal laws.
Deputize 'em.
But what you end up with is still a career civil serpent
desk jockey who's more likely to misplace the weapon,
leace it at home, or not be able to unlock it, than
successfully use it to protect students.
Yeah, that's what the police are for. Can't have civilians walking around with firearms. They'll start shooting each other every time there is an argument.
Well, it's about time. Doesn't go far enough IMO. Any teacher w/ ccw permit ought to be allowed. More Guns=Less Crime
Exactly. I have been a high school teacher for 17 years. The last nine split between two inner city schools. In my last school, there were four prior service teachers. Two of those were former SpecOps. After Colombine, we all got together and said NOT HERE! If we go into a "Code Red" situation (like Colombine) we were going to meet at a pre-arranged area, form up and go take care of the problem.....IF that problem was punks shooting or otherwise causing mass disruption. If the trouble is something else, we sit tight. Really don't want to mix into a gang war, you know. It's not that difficult, you know. Lots of close, tight and blind corners in these older schools. Most idiots who do those kinds of things would never dream that they in fact might wind up being hunted, even as they themselves imagine they're the "hunters...." In my current school, I'm the only ex-military and I'm durn near the only conservative. At my other school there were about a Baker's Dozen of conservatives and four ex-military, as I've said.
Maybe in Oklahoma....but I doubt it. I've been a teacher for over seventeen years. From my observations 99.9% of teachers in my area....heck, even in the state of Florida (a very pro-gun state) are virulently anti-gun. I ALWAYS start each school year off with a statement..well a definition....of an agenda. There are subject, issues and agendas. A subject is anything....any topic. It becomes an issue when all sides are discussed reasonably....in balance. When only one side of a subject is covered, it becomes an AGENDA. I then ask all my students two questions:
#1 Has anybody in all your 12 years of school in this district...EVER spoken of firearms in a favorable light?
#2 Has anybody in this system ever said anything to you that is negative concerning the United Nations?
I never get any affirmative responses. Not ever. Then I tell them...those are both AGENDAS. Then we discuss it....for the rest of the school year.
Teachers are always slamming guns and gun owners as inherently evil. But none of them, ever says it to my face.
Except once, a few years ago when an English teacher tried to tell me that a contingent of Haitian volunteers fighting on the side of the Colonial army in the Battle of Savannah, helped win the American Revolution. I checked it out and guess what...those valiant Haitians (about 500 of them) spent the bloodiest hour of the war getting their butts slaughtered then captured. My Principal went along with allowing the Haitian kids in school (70% of the pop) think that they won the Revolution based on their need to feel good about their heritage.
So thereafter when one of those kids who had that English teacher would come to me as their HISTORY teacher to confirm this tidbit...I woulkd always reply: Absolutely! Those Haitians provided the British with so many prisoners that the Brits didn't have enough troops to chase back to Saratoga and Yorktown so the Revolution could be won! LOL It drove the liberals nuts! They stopped that little bit of revisionist history right quick.
as a teacher I think we should be required to be trained at the local police academy and basically become cops that teach.
The Second Amendment doesn't cover the preventative measures. I think this is a great idea for all schools.
Altho I support concealed carry laws, the last two people in this town who I would trust carring a gun would be the school superintenant and the principal of our local public school.
Funny but good point. I personally don't see anything wrong with arming the principles and the teachers either.
I do think though that if they could use the "board of education" to engage in some "applied psychology" our schools wouldn't be the sorts of places we needed to arm them in the first place as the kids wouldn't be out of control.
Periodically I see these stories where the cops were called by the principal on some gradeschooler. Everyone yells at the principal for being over the line but yet he's not allowed to smack the kid. He's powerless.
I'll shutup now this topic gets me all spun up........
The parents now think they are the criminal defense lawyers for their kids. They are all over anyone who thinks Muffy or Buffy is anything short of perfect. I have dealt with several parents like that myself. It is disgusting. They have no idea what monsters they are creating. The kids just stand around and watch while the authority figure is attacked by their parents. They know they have a free pass until they reach maturity. My feeling is that they will face the justice system soon after.
You're right. My kid knows if she gets in trouble with the teacher at school she's getting in trouble at home. She behaves real well at school.
Funny how consequences impact behavior aint it ?
My son said to someone, "I am not worried about the youth counselors. I just don't want to face my dad if I get into trouble." And he didn't.
We had two absolute rules - 1. Never damage or take someone else's property. 2. Be considerate of others.
He is married, has delightful children, and earns a bundle of money. Most guys his age are not responsible toward others or serious about their jobs.
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