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When Real Judicial Conservatives Attack [Dover ID opinion]
The UCSD Guardian ^ | 09 January 2005 | Hanna Camp

Posted on 01/09/2006 8:26:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry; kingu; mlc9852
This is probably a good thread on which to post an excellent short summary of the Dover decision, posted by recently by R. Baldwin on the talk.origins newsgroup:
It is not the questioning of the Theory of Evolution that is unconstitutional, it is the teaching in public schools of religious concepts for religious reasons. The book "Of Pandas and People" was shown by trial evicence to be a creationist book through and through, published by a religious organization for religious purposes and containing a religious message. It was introduced by the Dover Area School Board for religious reasons to accomplish a religious goal. The Dover community understood that the controversy was over a religious question, as the judge noted by pointing out that letters to the editor in the York newspapers (both pro and con) where overwhelmingly discussing the religious aspects of the controversy.

41 posted on 01/09/2006 9:18:54 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Cicero
The present decision which the Darwinists are all celebrating is based on the principle that no Christianity is allowed in the schools at all, not even on the football field.

So why no protests when the football players thank Jesus for a touchdown? Although I do admit to being perplexed that they don't seem to blame Jesus for turnovers and drive-killing holding calls.

43 posted on 01/09/2006 9:19:39 AM PST by Physicist
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To: longshadow

Be careful what you wish for. The "Conservatives" did get a non-activist judge and they don't like it.


44 posted on 01/09/2006 9:21:01 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Syncretic
Perhaps Physicist knows that Sir Isaac Newton was a devout Christian.

Perhaps Syncretic does not know that Sir Isaac was an Arianist heretic. What was that about opposing a cult?

45 posted on 01/09/2006 9:21:12 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
“Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court.

Like an activist judge is going to admit to being one. Only an activist judge would feel a need to offer up such a comment.

46 posted on 01/09/2006 9:21:51 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: kingu
If teaching religion is forbidden in the classroom, why is my child taught in school about Mecca, the beliefs of Islam, and some of their practices?

Is it (Islam) being taught in science class as an alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Must be some more of that mystery fine print in the constitution that only liberals can read.

Physician, heal thyself...

47 posted on 01/09/2006 9:24:13 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: connectthedots
Only an activist judge would feel a need to offer up such a comment.

Taking Supreme Court precedents and the First Amendment seriously is pure conservatism. Tossing out precedent and the Constitution to please a gaggle of theocrats isn't any sane person's idea of what a conservative judge should do.

48 posted on 01/09/2006 9:25:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry (ID is to biology what "Brokeback Mountain" is to western movies.)
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To: Cicero
There is nothing to forbid saying that God created the universe. That was taught in all of our public schools until activist judges and closed minded fanatics managed to outlaw it.
That is implicit, or more than implicit, in the Declaration of Independence. The legitimacy of the government - and of the currency and coin of the realm - actually ultimately depend on that premise.

50 posted on 01/09/2006 9:29:34 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Judge John E. Jones III should be the next nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court.


51 posted on 01/09/2006 9:29:54 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Elpasser
Driving "nonsense" out of the classroom, huh?

Yes.

Until evolutionists can demonstrate how a strand of DNA can self-assemble, survive in a hostile chemical environment, and purposelessly begin to reproduce and form the form the first living cell, I'd say the theory is baloney.

You'd say that, but that's because you're grossly ignorant. Clue for the clueless: The theory of evolution deals with the processes which cause living things to change as they reproduce. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how life may have originally formed, since however that may have happened, it was (obviously) a pre-evolutionary process.

Your whine is as pointless as saying that meteorology (the study of weather) is "baloney" until it is determined where the atmosphere came from. To any thinking person, it's obvious that the validity of meteorology doesn't depend in the least on how or when the atmosphere may have originated, since it only concerns itself with how the atmosphere behaves now that it's here.

And likewise for evolutionary biology with regards to the origins of life.

Nonetheless, if you're trying to claim that biologists have not made serious progress into understanding how DNA originated, you're very mistaken.

People need to learn to think for themselves and reject the "received knowledge" from evolutionists with their own stubborn belief system.

Actually, people need to learn something about a subject before they say stupid things about it out of ignorance. Evolutionary biology is not "received knowledge", it's based on over a century of research and vast mountains of independently cross-confirming lines of evidence, and consists of conclusions which have been validated and revalidated countless times, and have survived huge numbers of potential falsification attempts.

54 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:10 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Elpasser
Until evolutionists can demonstrate how a strand of DNA can self-assemble, survive in a hostile chemical environment, and purposelessly begin to reproduce and form the form the first living cell,

Why?

55 posted on 01/09/2006 9:32:01 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: shuckmaster

####Judge John E. Jones III should be the next nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court.####


Only if you want another Souter.



56 posted on 01/09/2006 9:32:06 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Physicist

Maybe God just likes an exciting game.


57 posted on 01/09/2006 9:34:16 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Cicero

You summed it up nicely. Thanks.


59 posted on 01/09/2006 9:36:34 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Blzbba

Can you prove humans descended from apes?


60 posted on 01/09/2006 9:38:08 AM PST by mlc9852
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