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To: Ichneumon

Ring species are still the same species, right? Some kind of lizard turns into another kind of lizard.

Can apes and humans mate? I know - lots of jokes there - but can they? No one has a problem with adaptation - it is often quite obvious. But I have yet to see proof that humans used to be apes.


119 posted on 01/09/2006 10:37:40 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Ring species are still the same species, right?

Wrong.

Some kind of lizard turns into another kind of lizard.

Another *species* of lizard.

Can apes and humans mate? I know - lots of jokes there -

"There are some things even an ape won't do"...

but can they?

Actually, that's an open question. No one's willing to test it, for obvious ethical reasons. But whether they can or not, what's your point?

No one has a problem with adaptation - it is often quite obvious. But I have yet to see proof that humans used to be apes.

Again, drop the "proof" canard. And again, why do you keep ignoring the clear and overwhelming evidence that has been posted countless times? Why do you just keep reverting to repeating your "I haven't seen anything" over and over again? Why not actually *look* at the evidence for a change, and honestly *deal* with it? The vast majority (99+%) of biologists, familiar with the evidence, have been convinced that it is solid, and conclusively demonstrates that man and the other apes share common ancestry. There is *vast* evidence supporting that conclusion, and none to the contrary. Deal with it.

135 posted on 01/09/2006 11:07:18 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: mlc9852

Color Pattern Diversity in a Classic "Ring Species,"
the Salamander Ensatina eschscholtzii



E. e. oregonensis
Henk Wallays


E. e. picta

Henk Wallays


E. e. platensis
Adam Summers


E. e. xanthoptica
Shawn Kucht


E. e. croceate
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Duncan Parks


E. e. eschscholtzii
William Flaxington


E. e. klauberi
William Flaxington


So. are the bottom left and bottom right (E. e. eschscholtzii and E. e. klauberi) the same lizard? They happen to be the 'far ends' of this particular ring that have met together.

137 posted on 01/09/2006 11:10:00 AM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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