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Iranís top military commanders die in plane crash -(detailed rank and file info)
iran focus ^ | 1/6/06 | na

Posted on 01/09/2006 9:27:51 AM PST by Flavius

ehran, Iran, Jan. 09 – A dozen senior commanders of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) died in a plane crash in northwest Iran on Monday, a government spokesman announced.

A Falcon jet belonging to the IRGC crashed 13 kilometres southeast of Lake Orumieh, killing all 15 passengers on board. They included seven members of the General Command of the IRGC Ground Forces.

The commanders who died in the crash included Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi, commander of the IRGC Ground Forces and a rising star in Iran’s radical Islamist military, Brigadier General Saeed Mohtadi, commander of the IRGC’s 27 Mohammad Division, Brigadier General Hanif, Director of Intelligence of the IRGC Ground Forces, Brigadier General Soleimani, Director of Operations of the IRGC Ground Forces, and Brigadier General Yazdani, Commander of the IRGC Artillery.

The Revolutionary Guards Corps was founded in the early days of the Islamic revolution in 1979 as an armed force loyal to Iran’s clerical rulers. Its commanders directly report to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and their mission is to “protect and propagate the Islamic revolution”.

Prior to his recent appointment as commander of the IRGC Ground Forces, Kazemi commanded the IRGC Air Force and Missile Forces. He was promoted in the recent reshuffle of the IRGC general command that was ordered by the Supreme Leader and was regarded as a loyal Khamenei supporter.

In a statement released in Tehran, the General Command of the Armed Forces said the IRGC plane crashed at 9:30 am local time near Orumieh Airport. It identified the cause of the crash as the failure of both engines. Earlier reports cited fuel shortage and bad weather as the cause of the crash.

Iran’s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised Ahmad Kazemi and other IRGC commanders who were killed in the incident. He said the armed forces “must become symbols of resilience and honour by awaiting the return of the Mahdi [the Shiite messiah] and obeying the Supreme Leader”.

The top IRGC commanders were on a mission to visit IRGC forces in north-western Iran near the Turkish and Iraqi borders.

The blow to the IRGC comes at a critical time when the force has been given huge powers by the Supreme Leader in the wake of the consolidation of power by the ultra-conservative faction after the election of Ahmadinejad, who is himself a former commander of the IRGC. Hundreds of Revolutionary Guards commanders have been given senior government positions. At least 13 ministers in Ahmadinejad’s cabinet hail from the Revolutionary Guards.

As part of sweeping changes in the IRGC, Khamenei recently appointed a radical Shiite cleric, Ali Saeedi, as his personal representative to the IRGC. Saeedi, who will act as the chief ideological commissar of the Revolutionary Guards, has already reactivated the dormant Political Bureau of the IRGC and has told the Guards’ commanders that the Supreme Leader wants the force to play a much more prominent role in the political arena.

A day ahead of the crash, sources close to the IRGC said in Tehran that further reshuffles in the Guards’ top command were afoot. They mentioned plans to promote Brigadier General Mohammad Hejazi as the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the IRGC.

Security forces in Orumieh have sealed off the site of the crash and many military commanders have arrived at the scene, according to eye-witnesses.


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1 posted on 01/09/2006 9:27:52 AM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Just a few million more.


2 posted on 01/09/2006 9:29:34 AM PST by GOP_Proud ("Just like butt-ahh"... Toolbelt Diva)
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To: Flavius

Why do I get the feeling either Israeli or CIA black ops types had a hand in this?


3 posted on 01/09/2006 9:29:54 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Flavius
Hmmmm. I wonder if any of our drones were in the area?

Naw. Couldn't be.

BTW Falcon is a French made jet.

4 posted on 01/09/2006 9:30:20 AM PST by llevrok (Chutzpah, with salsa on the side.)
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To: doc30

Opening move against the Iran nuclear threat?


5 posted on 01/09/2006 9:30:59 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Steve Newton

Heads up.........


6 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:22 AM PST by marmar (Pray for our Warriors...they are the greatest there is............)
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To: Flavius

Didn't the mullahs just recently lose some other military types in a plane crash in Tehran???


7 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:25 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: doc30

Forget the CIA or Israel, perhaps they were thinking about a coup against the new looney in charge and got caught.


8 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:41 AM PST by jbwbubba
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To: Flavius

Terrible News! This is going to be a terrible blow to world peace! </sarc>


9 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:49 AM PST by Frenetic
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To: doc30
Why do I get the feeling either Israeli or CIA black ops types had a hand in this?

Let's hope so.

10 posted on 01/09/2006 9:31:52 AM PST by capydick
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To: Flavius

Is it really confirmed, or does Iran want us to think they were killed?


11 posted on 01/09/2006 9:33:02 AM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Flavius

It gets your paranoid antennae waving. Another possibility is that maybe President Ahmadinejad saw one or some of these officers as inconvenient rivals.

But it's probably just an accident. These things do happen.


12 posted on 01/09/2006 9:33:08 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Flavius

Glad to see that "someone" is not just sitting around waiting on Iran to get the bomb...


13 posted on 01/09/2006 9:35:01 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: GOP_Proud
Just a few million more.

I don't yet believe this to be true.
I am almost positive that there would be a watershed change in just a half dozen flights in airbuses, exclusively of clerics, which can be arranged to end similarly...

14 posted on 01/09/2006 9:35:54 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Flavius

Hopefully our tax dollars at work.


15 posted on 01/09/2006 9:36:51 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Ecliptic

Something is cooking. I just hope that we are the ones stirring the pot.


16 posted on 01/09/2006 9:38:05 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Ecliptic

Hey Generals: how about you all get on one plane together?

Do you think it's safe?

Trust me!!


18 posted on 01/09/2006 9:38:32 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: Flavius
That's a shame.

Can we have a few dozen more pictures of them burning, please?

19 posted on 01/09/2006 9:38:37 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: llevrok
BTW Falcon is a French made jet.

Verdict is in. Case is closed.

*gavel bangs really loud*

20 posted on 01/09/2006 9:39:25 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Flavius

shucks.

This happened very close to where our Blackhawk and 12 Americans went down 2 days ago, right? Up where Iran, Iraq, and Turkey borders meet. I like thinking that this was retaliation.


21 posted on 01/09/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: jbwbubba

Hmmm. Interesting theory.


22 posted on 01/09/2006 9:41:51 AM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Flavius

Coup prevention. I wonder if these guys were plotting a coup.
They might have had some sanity in regards to nukes. Or since they were all Revoultionary Guard Guys..might not the regular army type want to take them out before they stage a coup. Wasn't there an assanation attempt on the Iranian President last month?


23 posted on 01/09/2006 9:43:09 AM PST by FlatLandBeer
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To: JeeperFreeper

There was another big plane crash in Iran only a month ago! It was also an Islamic Republic Air Force plane, but a C130. 94 people died, mostly journalists. They were being flown to cover a special military exercise, to boast of their preparedness for war. It also killed 10 people on the ground since it hit a 10 story apartment building.


24 posted on 01/09/2006 9:45:52 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: doc30

i doubt we're that good.


25 posted on 01/09/2006 9:46:23 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Semper Paratus
Opening move against the Iran nuclear threat?

This also may be an internal action.

It has been said here on FR that Ahmadinejad wanted to replace Supreme Leader Khamenei with a mullah of his own choice, but that it would be difficult because so many of the leaders in the IRGC were loyal to Khamenei. It appears that all the men who died in the crash were Khamenei loyalists (they reported to the Supreme Leader and not to Ahmadinejad).

This may be a prelude to further consolidation of power by Ahmadinejad.

26 posted on 01/09/2006 9:47:33 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: doc30
Why do I get the feeling either Israeli or CIA black ops types had a hand in this?

Maybe because this couldnt have happened to a "better" group of people, personal cronies of the new President, past terrorist masters, and instrumental in the programs to develop Iranian long range projection of WMD.... http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3456
Iran’s new elite army chief had Lebanese terror ties Wed. 24 Aug 2005
Iran Focus

London, Aug. 24 – The new commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Ground Forces was involved in terrorist activities in Lebanon during the 1980s, analysts say.

Revolutionary Guards brigadier general Ahmad Kazemi was appointed on Saturday by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to head the IRGC Ground Forces. Kazemi closely worked with the new Defence Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar in Lebanon.

In a ceremony on Wednesday to mark Kazemi’s new post, the IRGC commander, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, acknowledged the general’s past activities in the Guards’ Lebanon Force.

“I am better informed than anyone of General Kazemi’s record of sacrifice, valour, and courage; from his presence in southern Lebanon and difficult battles in Kurdistan to his presence in the frontlines of the eight-year [Iran-Iraq] war” the news agency ISNA quoted Safavi as saying.

Before being appointed commander of the IRGC Ground Forces, Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi was the commander of the IRGC Air Force. In that position, Kazemi was responsible for the production and development of Shahab missiles.

“The [IRGC] Air Force under the command of General Kazemi underwent serious development, and today the Guards Corps has the potent missile force of the Middle East”, Safavi said.

Iran has successfully tested the Shahab-3, which has a maximum range of 2,000 kilometres and can hit all cities in the Middle East.

In late July, Iran announced that it had fully developed solid-fuel technology in producing missiles, a major breakthrough that increases the accuracy of missiles.

Kazemi was also responsible for research and production of the Shahab-4 missile with a projected range of 3,000 km. Analysts say that Tehran is working round-the-clock to enhance the range and accuracy of the Shahab missiles which is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and reaching the heart of Europe.
27 posted on 01/09/2006 9:47:43 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Flavius
This plane was shot down. Any amateur field detective can ascertain from the photo that this plane fell straight down.
It did not skid and did not nosedive. It clearly lost all forward momentum. That means the aerodynamics were distorted in-flight (by a bomb, rocket, etc.) As the you can see in the photo the fuselage is lying in a position where it fell straight down.

OK thats all BS. Actually I don't know a damn thing about aviation.
28 posted on 01/09/2006 9:48:50 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (If the enemy is in shooting range, so are you.)
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To: FlatLandBeer
Coup prevention. I wonder if these guys were plotting a coup. They might have had some sanity in regards to nukes

au contraire. These were the most insane of the insane. Do a check on the backgrounds and the Shahab 4 missile program..
29 posted on 01/09/2006 9:50:00 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Flavius
Hey, it sounds perfectly innocent to me...

Heh heh...

30 posted on 01/09/2006 9:50:13 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Flavius
The commanders who died in the crash included Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi, commander of the IRGC Ground Forces and a rising star in Iran’s radical Islamist military.

He will henceforth be referred to as a 'shooting' star.
31 posted on 01/09/2006 9:50:15 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: yldstrk

We already have EMP related technologies that can fry all circuitry while leaving living things untouched, I'm sure that could bring down a plane. It was released that this technology can be saddled on to a cruise missle, that could then redirect itself to remove evidence, or from ground based radar, or may be available from a spacebourne platform by now.

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/army/mipb/1997-1/merkle.htm


32 posted on 01/09/2006 9:55:19 AM PST by Sax
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To: reagan_fanatic

falling star


33 posted on 01/09/2006 9:56:04 AM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: Dark Skies

That's my take as well.


34 posted on 01/09/2006 9:56:13 AM PST by brothers4thID ("Kerry demands that Iraqis terrorize children in the dead of night")
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To: Cicero

I find it hard to believe that many "higher ups" were on the same plane.


35 posted on 01/09/2006 9:58:14 AM PST by Muzzle_em ("Get busy LIVING or get busy dying")
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To: Dark Skies

Even if it was internal, it still works for me...

Remember Stalin and Hitler were fond of killing their military leaders on occasion....it led to inability of the military....so, if it was US, Israel, or internal elimination, it weakens their military.....


36 posted on 01/09/2006 10:05:31 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
I like thinking that this was retaliation

Or the Blackhawk crash was a cover incident for losses across the border? Have they said who was on the Blackhawk yet?
37 posted on 01/09/2006 10:05:43 AM PST by Daus
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To: doc30
What about their civil rights?
38 posted on 01/09/2006 10:08:11 AM PST by AZConcervative
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To: ExcursionGuy84

Good. Let 'em keep being friends with the French and getting their crappy 2nd-run airplanes!


39 posted on 01/09/2006 10:08:58 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Daus

interesting! I don't know the answer......but I like the thought that the B/H was who got the Irani's and that the B/H crash is a cover story that never happened.


40 posted on 01/09/2006 10:10:07 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Mount Athos
It was also an Islamic Republic Air Force plane, but a C130. 94 people died, mostly journalists.

Do we use old C130's to carry OUR MSM journalists? (ahem)

41 posted on 01/09/2006 10:10:14 AM PST by llevrok (Chutzpah, with salsa on the side.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
interesting!

I'm not usually a 'black helicopter' type, but I did find it odd how evasive they have been to the occupants of the Blackhawk. The last I had heard was it was a few real military with some unidentified civilians. It's get's curious if the civilians were CIA operators.
42 posted on 01/09/2006 10:14:46 AM PST by Daus
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To: brothers4thID
According to Michael Ledeen, National Review Online:

Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, although probably in his sixties, is said to have serious liver cancer, and is not expected to survive the next year.

Source and Link: Regime Change Iran Blog

43 posted on 01/09/2006 10:15:23 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Flavius

The time to hesitate is through
No time to wallow in the mire
Try now we can only lose
And our love become a funeral pyre


44 posted on 01/09/2006 10:18:17 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: doc30
Why do I get the feeling either Israeli or CIA black ops types had a hand in this?

I doubt it. If we wanted to take out their aircraft, you'd see their skies swept clear -- not just one crash. Iranian incompetence is a far more likely explanation.

45 posted on 01/09/2006 10:22:53 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: llevrok
I don't think the age of the aircraft is a problem, as much as bad maintenance.

I'd gladly fly on older aircraft (like an older C-130, or even a C-47) if I felt it had been well maintained.

But I'd worry about getting on a new aircraft if it was maintained and operated by an insane Islamic government.

46 posted on 01/09/2006 10:25:59 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: doc30

Wasn't there also a recent plane crash into a building in Iran?


47 posted on 01/09/2006 10:33:51 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: 68skylark
I agree.

The C130 is a legend (like the DC3, Super Con, Warthog, B52). Well maintained, they are like the Energizer bunny. They just keep on going and going and....

48 posted on 01/09/2006 10:35:38 AM PST by llevrok (Chutzpah, with salsa on the side.)
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To: Mount Athos

Mostly journalists...sounds like Usama might have lost some of his photographers who report to al jazerra in that crash.


49 posted on 01/09/2006 10:37:20 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Flavius

Oopsie.


50 posted on 01/09/2006 10:37:51 AM PST by eyespysomething (This space intentionally left blank......oh crud)
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