Hows about those Sikh Sauers?
Posted on 01/10/2006 4:24:23 PM PST by Westlander
DETROIT -- A Detroit judge said Wayne State University police should not have arrested a student for carrying a knife. The knives are part of his Sikh religious beliefs.
Sukhpreet Singh Garcha was arrested in August for carrying a 10-inch knife, known as a kirpan, on his hip. Police said the knife violated the city's weapons laws.
Carrying a kirpan at all times is a basic tenet of Sikhism, an Indian-based faith with an estimated 25 million followers worldwide.
The judge ruled last month that the knife ordinance is intended to apply to people carrying a weapon for some unlawful purpose.
Campus officers have been instructed to not arrest other Sikh students who carry a kirpan.
ROFL!! I want to join!
Frankly, I'd feel insufficiently armed with only a 10" knife in Detroit.
Wow.... In that case, I guess those Muslims on 9/11 were carrying their boxcutters for peaceful purposes... Riight?
Idiots.
I'll go for the Fellowship of the Glock, here, but I think we're close enough to worship together. Typically at a range or a gun shop.
This type of ruling provides exactly the type of legal opening desired by our enemies. I hope it is being appealed.
I am member of the order of the 2nd amendment.
A sacred order that requires always to be armed and polite.
US law,although it does vary from State to state, the following link shows that many States are somewhat accepting of this as a religious item IF carried accordingly. http://www.sikhmediawatch.org/pubs/SMART_Kirpan_Memorandum.PDF
"Penal code 12020 prohibits the carrying of a concealed dirk or dagger. Yet, the provides a 'safe haven'; a knife that is carried in a sheath and worn openly suspended from the waist is not in violation of that code section."
It goes on to add that IF the kirpan is worn appropriately and cannot be quickly removed and used as a stabbing weapon or has a rounded blade that cannot inflict major bodily harm, it will be acceptable whereas it is not if it is not worn according to the law 12020 cited above nd can be quickly drawn and used as a stabbing weapon.
Me gusto!
It's time that all these followers of hostile belief systems either go back home or assimilate.
Both first class academically and funny as hell.
My roommate in college was a Sikh, but he kept his kirpan on the wall over his bed. He always worried about it falling off the wall one night and stabbing him.
I wouldnt worry about sikhs being hostile
"Sweetheart, I'm heading to the mall. Where's my holy hand grenade?"
I'm in!
Just got a Mini14
L0L
Perhaps you don't understand the rules of FR?
Church is in session.....lock an load !
Sikhism - psychism?? OK,, he's psyched
Hows about those Sikh Sauers?
I don't see this as being any more harmful than having the judge recognize that this man has a right to keep and bear arms. There is no religious exception to the Second Amendment. That is what the judge should have ruled.
The reason that Sikhs have such a religious belief is because they find it offensive to be unable to defend yourself. I agree with that.
No.
You guys are both missing the boat, it is the religion of the handgun that you should join, this requires you to carry up to 5 handguns at a time on your person in order to satisfy religious beliefs.
Is your belief a religious belief? Or is it one based on the same right backed up by the Constitution? There is a difference.
So much for the 2nd Amendment, huh?
Amen brother, I am a dues paying, card carrying member of that religion! I am a northern CA resident and contrary to popular belief we in Northern CA can get permits(good for the whole state) and I carry where ever I go. It is my constitutional right and I will fight to the death to maintain it.
You mean the ones that know about it.
How is a Sikh "hostile" to you?
By "assimilate" you mean to give up their religion because you are ignorant of it?
-- Crocodile Dundee
As a Blackhawk Revolver fan, can I join?
I wonder when someone will try to board an airplane with one of these Indian knives and claim that TSA is not allowed to confiscate his religiously guaranteed knife. I am sure that the ACLU will have fun with this .
Is there a legal right for all citizens of Detroit to carry a 10" knife?
Don't forget gunshows.
According to my religion I have to attend every gunshow that will not cause divorce.
Aw hell, let's be honest my wife goes to gunshows with me!!
Your in. Sunday's sermon will be GP-100.
I was surprised at what I read....
"Additionally, some airlines, such as British Airways, replace their Sikh patrons’ longer kirpans with smaller versions."
Actually, there isn't.
Our Founders believed that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these rights are the rights to life and liberty.
The right to live in a "free state" whose security is assured by a well-regulated Militia, is an unalienable right endowed by our Creator. The unalienable right to life requires that the government not infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
When it comes to the law, it is proper to distinguish between "why" a law exists, and "what" the law requires.
The Second Amendment requires that the government not infringe the right to keep and bear arms. Whether that protects my right to keep a Glock on my belt, or a Sikh's right to keep a kirpan on his belt should not even be a consideration. Both are to be protected.
As a native born Texan who was raised "way out" in the country, I have been carrying a pocket knife since I was in the third grade. In fact, I remember one time at recess this other boy and I were playing the game of "stretch" with our pocket knives, the ante being that the loser has to hand over his knife to the winner, anyway we were busted by the teacher on the play ground at the time. We got in trouble with the school administration not for having knives in our possession but for gambling! My, my, how the times have changed!!
And I have to rifle through my purse to make sure I'm not carrying a lethal fingernail file?
Amen, brother. Let us make a Joyful Noise in the name of the Lord in the caliber of your choice.
1. Kesh Kesh means hair. A Sikh should treat his hair as a gift from God himself. It is His trust. To keep this God-given form intact is the first and foremost duty of a Sikh. The hair is a symbol of faith, and keeping long hair confirms a Sikh's belief in the acceptance of God's Will, and teaches him Humility and Acceptance..2. Khanga Khanga means comb. Sikhs use a small wodden comb because it can be worn easily in the hair all the time. Apart from its practical utility, a comb is clearly a symbol of cleanliness. Just as a comb helps to remove the tangles and cleans the hair, similarly a Sikh is reminded to get rid of any impurities of thought by repeating 'NAAM' (God's name) in his mind.
3. Karra Karra literally means a link or bondage. It is a special steel bracelet which is worn on the right hand wrist like a wedding ring which signifies a bond between the two people. The Karra is the Guru's own symbolic ring to all his Sikhs signifying their unbreakable link or bond with the Guru as well as among themselves, belonging to the brotherhood of Khalsa. Also the circle is a symbol of restraint and in practice a constant reminder to the Sikh of ideal behavior in the event of weakness.
4. Kachha Kaccha is a pair of shorts. This is special, slightly longer type of underwear and is symbolic of continence and a high moral character. Like breeches, Kaccha can be worn on their own without causing embarrassment. Thus it is quite useful in hot weather, swimming and sports activities.
5. Kirpan It is a sword. However, the Sikhs call it the Kirpan. Kirpan comes from the word 'KIRPA' and 'AAN'. Kirpa means an act of kindness, a favour; and 'aan' means honour, respect, self-respect. It is an instrument which adds to self-respect and self-defence. Thus for Sikhs, Kirpan is the symbol of power and freedom of spirit. All baptised Sikhs should wear a short form of Kirpan (approx. 6" to 9" long) on their body. To call it a dagger or knife is rather insulting to this article of faith, which functions quite differently from the other two
We have some Sikh students and physicians here...most carry or wear a small knife (size of a pendant) on a necklace or somewhere else---only religious and ceremonial (not the real thing)...I have heard that some in the religion do not agree with that and 'require' that an actual knife be carried---that would not go over well in a hospital and probably would not be allowed in my opinion.
Let's see.
Smith and Wesson
Glock
Kel-Tek
Makarov
Stevens
Winchseter
Sig
Beretta
No Rugers.
Guess I'm gonna need another gun to join.
Maybe two or more.
But he gets to open carry an illegal knife in Detroit and nobody can open carry a hangun there.
Am I missing something?
Equal Protection of the Law ??
BINGO!
Bunch of nannystate dogooders meddling with fundemental freedoms because of fear
Now brothers and sisters, let us turn to psalm Federal, verse Hydrashok.
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