Posted on 01/10/2006 8:25:04 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
You clearly have no concept of the apostolic church and it's herarchy.
The Apostolic church has several great sees, such as Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople, etc. These patriarchs have a pretty clear notion of what heresy is, and none recognize Filaret.
From RISU Ukranian Religious site:
World Orthodox Leaders Support UOC-MP Orthodox Head
01.12.2005, [17:58] // UOC-MP //
Kyiv, 27 November 2005, Interfax - Celebrations held recently to mark the 70th birthday of Metropolitan Volodymyr, head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP), became an occasion for Orthodox churches throughout the world to express their solidarity with the UOC-MP, which is experiencing difficulties because of a schism in Orthodoxy in Ukraine. Thirteen prominent representatives out of fifteen autocephalous churches came to Kyiv and they all, speaking on behalf of their primates, expressed support for the head of the UOC-MP.
The representative of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, Archbishop Gregorios of Thyateira, Great Britain, noted that the guests came from various countries “to honour the great hierarch, the great theologian, the great primate of the church of Kyiv and all Ukraine and to convey personally congratulations and appreciation from primates of the entire Orthodoxy in the world.” The head of the Greek diocese in England, speaking on behalf of Patriarch Bartholomew, expressed to Metropolitan Volodymyr the wish that he may serve for many years “for the benefit of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.” Meanwhile, until recently the Constantinopolitan hierarchs avoided by all means using the name of the UOC, challenging the validity of the church jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate over Ukraine.
Speaking on behalf of the patriarch of Antioch, Bishop Niphon stated that the UOC-MP, “which is part of the great Russian Church,” represents in the Ukrainian land “the only Orthodox Church in full spiritual communion and unity with the Orthodox world.”
The newly-enthroned Patriarch Theophilos III of Jerusalem conveyed, through the rector of his Moscow representation, Archimandrite Stephen, the assurance of his continued prayer for Metropolitan Volodymyr, whom he described as “recognized by the entire Orthodox world.”
The Georgian Catholicos-Patriarch Ilia II underlined that “the work of the head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a heavy but at the same time a beneficial cross.” That is why “the whole Orthodox world honours the 70th birthday” of Metropolitan Volodymyr, expressing “sincere love and respect” for him.
Bishop Basil of Tuzla, speaking on behalf of the Serbian Orthodox Church, stated that schisms were illnesses, and the Serbs prayed that they might be overcome in Ukraine, “that the aching souls may be healed.”
Bishop Cassian of the Low Danube, who represented Patriarch Teoctist of Romania, described Metropolitan Volodymyr as “a symbol of the unity of Orthodoxy” and underlined that it was “the fullness of the Orthodox Church” that assembled in Kyiv.
Metropolitan Gabriel of Lovec stated that all Orthodox Bulgaria honoured Kyiv as “the city where the Russian Orthodox Church was born.” These words emphasize the indissoluble link between Ukraine and the Moscow Patriarchate.
Archbishop Christodulos of Athens and all Greece put a special emphasis on the fact that Metropolitan Volodymyr was elected as head of “the canonical Orthodox Church in Ukraine in hard times when she was put to great trials,” and in this situation he became “a steward of the traditions and teaching of one church and a resolute protector of her canonical rights.”
Metropolitan Sawa of Warsaw and all Poland also reminded of “the trials by an upheaval which disturbed peace in the church” that the UOC-MP experienced as a result of the schism supported by politicians. He gave a high appraisal to the services that Metropolitan Volodymyr rendered to Ukraine and his efforts “to pacify destructive sentiments and to build canonical unity between the church and the Ukrainian people.”
Metropolitan Nikolaj of the Czech lands and Slovakia expressed hope that “all the Orthodox people of Ukraine will soon” overcome the schisms and unite around Metropolitan Volodymyr as primate of what he called “the one Ukrainian Orthodox Church.”
In one is the communist party then you cannot expect from anything good. I would never risk a honest discussion with such kind of people, because I would expect from him to do so. If he sold out his country so easily then you would mean nothing for him as well.
Should be "If one is in the..."
"From RISU Ukranian Religious site"
What kind of propaganda site is this?
So you think that Stalin was better than Putin? As much as I don't like him I must defend Putie. :)) How old are you? That might explain a bit.
All of those great Christian sees you mentioned are almost non-existent by now. Some of them recognized the authority of the Roman Popes, some of them remained independent, and none recognized Moscow as their authority.
Stalin and Putin are impossibly to compare. After Lenin's death, Stalin rebuilt country and prepared for the war against Germany. Stalin did it in 17 years. What Russia did for last 17 years?
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