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How Normal Is Norman?
WomensWallStreet.com ^ | 04 January 2006 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:58 PM PST by concretebob

Norman, Oklahoma (population 100,923), is as American heartland as it gets. So on October 1, 2005, when Joel Hinrichs III, a 21-year-old Colorado Springs, Colorado engineering student at the University of Oklahoma strapped explosives to his body and blew himself up outside the college stadium where 84,000 fans were watching a Saturday-night football game, thus earning the town the distinction as home to America's first suicide bomber, I was, well, curious. Within 24 hours of the event, three players in the unfolding story issued statements aimed at quashing rumors that the bombing was terrorist related.

University President David Boren, in letters to students, faculty and staff, focused on allaying security fears and not drawing inferences from the rumors: Just because Hinrichs blew himself up with TATP (an ingredient that is the hallmark of Middle Eastern terrorists' bombs), and just because Hinrichs' roommate, Fazal Cheema, was a foreign student from Pakistan, no inferences to Islamic terrorism should be made. "We should not judge others or jump to conclusions…on the basis of color, race, gender, economic status or freely exercised religious beliefs," Boren wrote.

The FBI confirmed that a second cache of TATP explosives was found inside the apartment Hinrichs and Cheema shared. The bomb squad removed the lethal ingredients and exploded them off campus; according to a witness I interviewed, the explosion was heard five miles away. As to the suggestion of a larger terror plot, the Feds were firm: "At this time, there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organization(s) or activities."

Because of Hinrichs' Pakistani roommate, newspaper reporters questioned whether there was a Muslim connection. Mohammad Elyazgi, a spokesman for the Masjid An-Nur Islamic mosque in Norman, addressed journalists who asked if Hinrichs, whose photo in newspapers showed him sporting a beard, had recently converted to Islam. "We had never seen him until we saw his picture in the media," Elyazgi told reporters.

Elyazgi shared stories with the press about the racism that he, his family and other Muslims in Norman felt after 9/11 -- how he kept his "children at home for several days" for fear of retaliation. Elyazgi talked about the "chills" he felt when Hinrichs' bomb went off, how a "silent prayer" went through him, and how he hoped no one would "associate the incident with the Norman mosque." Elyazgi underscored Islam's commitment to pacifism: "Islam forbids suicide, and Muslims condemn all acts of violence."

Sometimes a Cigar Is Just a Cigar As I began investigating the suicide bombing in Norman, I was reminded by my editors of the Freudian adage: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a death-by-suicide bombing is just that. But this Freud/cigar idea got me thinking: Maybe sometimes a credential is just a credential. How do we know to believe the messengers? University President Boren is well credentialed (a former Governor of Oklahoma, a former U.S. Senator and former chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence), and the FBI has its own unique credentials. But who is Mohammad Elyazgi? What achievements, personal qualities and background activities lend him credence?

In investigating Elyazgi's credentials, I was referred to and spoke with Mitchell Gray, a Norman resident and immigration attorney. Gray -- a former Operation Desert Storm JAG officer and Arabic speaker -- has been working on a book about extreme Muslims in America who disguise themselves as moderates. I asked Gray about Elyazgi, and Gray said, "Mr. Elyazgi and his family have made themselves public figures. They wear the cloak of officialdom. It's time Mr. Elyazgi officially explains his close ties to terrorists." Gray provided me with some interesting public-record documents in which Elyazgi's name has appeared.

To give Mr. Elyazgi an opportunity to respond to the documents, I called him at his office in the Oklahoma Department of Transportation. I asked him if he stood personally by the statement he made on behalf of the mosque: "Islam forbids suicide, and Muslims condemn all acts of violence."

"Of course," he said.

I asked him to explain his relationship to a man named Mufid Abdulqader. I had reviewed 1995 court documents that list Elyazgi and Abdulqader as co-owners of Sinbad Greek & International Food in Oklahoma and as co-defendants on fraud and failure to pay charges (Case No.: CJ95 2176-66).

"You mean Mufid?" he asked.

"Yes, Mufid Abdulqader," I repeated.

"We're just friends."

"So you don't have a business relationship with Mufid Abdulqader?" I asked.

"No, no business relationship," he stated emphatically.

I told him about the documents I had in front of me.

Elyazgi changed his tune. He also seemed to lose his grip on the English language. "Me and him were together in business. In small shop."

I asked Elyazgi to comment on his former business partner's indictment on terrorism charges.

"He's a normal person," Elyazgi said. "He's an activist."

Abdulqader, who formerly worked for the Department of Transportation in Oklahoma and later in Texas, was recently indicted on terrorism charges for being a fundraiser for HAMAS (a Palestinian Islamist movement), one of the most violent jihadist terrorist organizations in the world.

Why Isn't Norman Newsworthy? Throughout 2005, suicide bombings were daily news. In the same month that Hinrichs exploded himself, 19 suicide bombers around the world killed 180 people and injured another 420 -- in supermarkets and restaurants and houses of worship, according to statistics offered by a website called www.thereligionofpeace.com. Those suicide bombers became news -- headline news. And yet the suicide bombing in Norman caused hardly a ripple in the media.

Norman, Oklahoma, is mentioned in the intelligence report prepared by the House and the Senate on the 9/11 terrorist attacks; this report, which Congress has declassified, references known terrorists' activities in Norman, Oklahoma, no less than 17 times. In examining this and other U.S. government documents, a disturbing portrait emerges: Norman, Oklahoma, has been associated with terrorist activity ever since Osama Bin Laden's personal pilot, Mohamed Ihab Ali, went to Norman to take flying lessons back in 1993.

It's true, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But sometimes, when you peel away the layers, you find something else.

Annie Jacobsen, author of Terror in the Skies: Why 9/11 Could Happen Again, writes about business, finance and terrorism for a variety of national and international magazines and webzines. A graduate of Princeton University, she lives in Los Angeles, California, with her husband and two sons.

If you would like to send Annie Jacobsen an email, please click HERE.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bomb; bomber; footballgame; hinrichs; norman; oklahoma; ou; oubomber; oubombing; stadium; suicide; terror; terrorist; unibomber; uok; workaccident
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1 posted on 01/11/2006 7:27:59 PM PST by concretebob
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To: Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; ...
PING

Someone was asking about this recently

2 posted on 01/11/2006 7:29:57 PM PST by concretebob (Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not `be able to tell which is which.)
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To: concretebob

Ping


3 posted on 01/11/2006 7:33:01 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: concretebob; PhiKapMom

ping


4 posted on 01/11/2006 7:34:15 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: concretebob

Thanks for the ping.


5 posted on 01/11/2006 7:37:56 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: concretebob
More straws in the wind. But as long as the corrupt faction in the FBI elects to cover it up, people will just be pecking around the edges of this.

Also, Norman Oklahoma is not that far from another terrorist bombing that had middle eastern connections--the OKC bombing. I didn't realize just how close Norman is to OKC until I checked the map.

The presence of terrorists in the area goes back earlier than 1993.


6 posted on 01/11/2006 7:38:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: concretebob

Damn! I hadn't even HEARD about this.


7 posted on 01/11/2006 7:40:58 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: concretebob

Interesting


8 posted on 01/11/2006 7:41:31 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: concretebob

Ms. Jacobson might want to contact Ms. Davis and compare notes.
Just for S&Gs, and possibly tips on basic survival techniques.


9 posted on 01/11/2006 7:43:24 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: concretebob
"Why Isn't Norman Newsworthy?"

It is. It's just not PC. The American people better wake up now - before it's too late.

10 posted on 01/11/2006 7:43:45 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: concretebob

How do these people get cushy government jobs so easily? Who are their sponsors? What were their qualifications? Exactly why were they hired? Sure seems strange to me that they both worked in State department of transportation offices in Oklahoma and Texas. I have to wonder just what the ramifications are of a confirmed terrorist (Abdulqader) working in these offices.


11 posted on 01/11/2006 7:46:55 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: pepperdog

Ummm...we cannot discriminate in this country, remember? The Islamists said "We will use their democracy to destroy their democracy." And that is precisely what they are attempting to do. They are infiltrating every institution in this country.


12 posted on 01/11/2006 7:53:37 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: pepperdog
Thats a question I'd like answered myself, PD..seems like there are a lot of arab/muslim/mid-eastern people working in gov't related jobs..doesn't make sense to me..but then

I'm just an ignorant peasant, who am I to question my government?

13 posted on 01/11/2006 7:54:38 PM PST by concretebob (Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not `be able to tell which is which.)
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To: Cicero

"The presence of terrorists in the area goes back earlier than 1993."

After the fall of Iran, many iranians moved to Norman. At the time, it seemed like a lot. But maybe that is the way it was elsewhere too. Huge racial tension during the hostage crisis. Many iranians couldn't understand the racism because they were escaping from the Shiite muslims also because they thrived under the Shah. Maybe there never was a full integration of cultures and thus causing it to be a breeding ground of discontent. Who knows. I do know that one family did extremely well and their company is like the second largest homebuilder in the state and they are headquartered in Norman.


14 posted on 01/11/2006 7:58:09 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("We've run out of ballots." -- Iraqi election official)
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To: concretebob; pepperdog

Read the book "Infiltration"......scary!


15 posted on 01/11/2006 7:58:38 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

You mean the lone, suicide bomber that the Norman PD had to take the contents of his car and apartment to the bomb disposal area in about 18 trips because if they had done it all at once it would have taken out a city block if it exploded? Then it rattled windows all over Norman with a loud blast including mine which is about five miles away. I was in that stadium that night when the bomb went off and you could see the puff of smoke rising from the "lone" suicide bomber that didn't want to hurt anyone. (sarcasm)

There is much more to this story but when you cannot get two sources on record, the story dies.


16 posted on 01/11/2006 8:04:06 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

There was also said to be a large contingent of Saddam's Republican Guard that went to Oklahoma after the first Gulf War.


17 posted on 01/11/2006 8:05:41 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: concretebob

bump


18 posted on 01/11/2006 8:06:19 PM PST by VOA
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To: PhiKapMom

You have contributed a great deal to these threads. At least some of us know some of what went on. And have suspicions as to the rest.


19 posted on 01/11/2006 8:07:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Many former military men in the Shah's Iran moved to areas in the USA near military bases, particularly Air Force Bases. Some former officers had jobs with the military. This is true of Lubbuck, (Reese AFB) Texas and other N. Texas and Oklahoma bases. Norman has a US NAVAL AIR STATION


20 posted on 01/11/2006 8:09:37 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Cicero

I live in Norman which is about 20-25 minutes south from downtown OKC depending on which side of town you live. Looks like the resettlement of the Iraqi Guard after Gulf War I also brought some terrorists to the area with others joining them in the 1993 time frame from around the Country according to what I have heard since living here. After 9-11, Moussaouri shined the spotlight on Norman and the rest of the terrorist scum leading up to this lone, depressed bomber that supposedly wanted to blow up a stadium but he didn't want to hurt anyone according to his Dad. And his roommate just happened to have a ticket back to Pakistan for the next morning and didn't see any bomb making going on in the apartment.

This sounds like fiction except it was real. Never going to convince me that this kid committed suicide -- never, ever but also know that the whole story is not likely to come out in the near future anymore then we are likely to get the whole story on the Murrah Bombing anytime soon.

Know there is a lot more going on then was reported and for sanity sake have to believe there was a reason for the spin.


21 posted on 01/11/2006 8:15:36 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: Cicero

Everytime I learn more I just shake my head at how close we came to a complete disaster and Thank God that this kid blew up.

May have missed it, but last I heard they had not released the body and the DNA tests were not back. I know I had a lot of company during Christmas but I don't remember hearing anything about that. Maybe someone else has heard.

All I know is that we have surveillance cameras at the stadium and around campus from Fed and State Grants that were approved and video installed in less than two weeks -- that never happens with the Feds or State Government.


22 posted on 01/11/2006 8:18:59 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: Cicero
I'm glad someone besides me knows that little fact.
I'm also glad you posted it, because I was just about to do it.
OKC was a muslim organized terrorist attack, funded by Hussein, I believe that, and I will go to my grave believing it.
and klintoon & co knew it and covered it up and blamed it on right wing talk radio.
23 posted on 01/11/2006 8:19:45 PM PST by concretebob (Self-doubt is the true path to enlightenment.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

The real problems started IMHO after the resettlement of Iraqi Republican Guard after Gulf War I. According to my neighbor, it started with a few and then grew as they came in from other parts of the Country.

The Iranians I know here are really nice people and have assimilated into Oklahoma.


24 posted on 01/11/2006 8:21:22 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: concretebob

BINGO! I agree with you 100%!


25 posted on 01/11/2006 8:23:06 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: pepperdog
How do these people get cushy government jobs so easily?

1. Minority hire (keeps government regulators off back and lessens
likelihood of lawsuit for hiring discrimination)
2. Have person on staff that speaks foreign language (who knows
when that will come in handy)
3. Verification that the company/agency "values diversity"

And if the applicant is member of some other "protected class"
all the better.

I suspect that's how an Islamic fellow here in Columbia, MO
got on with the local water purification district (isn't that scary!?)
But thank goodness that didn't keep the FBI from raiding his family
home (as witnessed by my parents who live about 1/2 block away)...
as one of his associates provided a satellite phone for Al-Quida.
And he was running an "Islamic Charity" that was also shut down.
The guy and his family have been gone for over a year and not a word
has been uttered in the local press as to the disposition of the case.
26 posted on 01/11/2006 8:23:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
It is gratifying to hear that actions are being taken behind the scene. I agree with PhiKapMom, thinking that the lack of publication of these things is a part of our government's efforts to keep us safe it is all that keeps me from thinking I'm losing my mind.

I had not thought of the PC requirements that permeate every part of our lives these days as being the way these people get jobs and infiltrate our very government, but it does make sense.
27 posted on 01/11/2006 8:28:36 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: PhiKapMom

Actually I have an Iranian in-law down in Houston. Very civilized, like most of the Iranians who have come to
America to settle. No doubt the Iranian terrorists have inserted a few people here too, but most Iranians still think of themselves as belonging to an older civilization and do not identify with the Arabs.


28 posted on 01/11/2006 8:29:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
"There was also said to be a large contingent of Saddam's Republican Guard that went to Oklahoma after the first Gulf War."

But, there is no connection to the Oklahoma bombing, of course, because Islamic people hate violence and say a whole lot of silent prayers when ever bombs goes off.
29 posted on 01/11/2006 8:33:15 PM PST by garjog
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To: concretebob

"Elyazgi underscored Islam's commitment to pacifism: "Islam forbids suicide, and Muslims condemn all acts of violence."

Well, that's a relief. I was starting to get worried.


30 posted on 01/11/2006 8:34:03 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: Cicero

We have a good friend whose family barely escaped when the Shah fell -- he was already here in the States with his Mom and sister but other family members barely made it out.

He is as Texan as any native born Texan I know.


31 posted on 01/11/2006 8:36:23 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: ovrtaxt; potlatch; bitt; devolve; PhilDragoo

Ping


32 posted on 01/11/2006 8:44:04 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: PhiKapMom

"There is much more to this story but when you cannot get two sources on record, the story dies."

How have you been, PhiKapMom? Those fires aren't affecting you, are they?

It honestly sounds like Annie Jacobsen has been reading our own voluminous set of threads on the topic here on FR, from back in the fall, doesn't it?

Remember how the Norman PD, as well as Boren, seemed to be reacting to the FR commentary? Odd, wasn't it? And "Scoobie," lol. What a goofball.


33 posted on 01/11/2006 8:45:59 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: concretebob

May I suggest you let go of your conspiracy theory...there is more than sufficient evidence that those responsible for OKC were caught and punished...


34 posted on 01/11/2006 8:46:34 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: phatus maximus
You may suggest any damn thing you please.
Nothing will change my mind.
35 posted on 01/11/2006 8:51:34 PM PST by concretebob (Self-doubt is the true path to enlightenment.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I thought they were reacting to FR threads as well! That part was funny because by trying to get out in front a lot of missteps were made by Pres Boren IMHO.

We haven't had any fires (so far) here in Cleveland County. Most of the fires have been caused by people throwing out cigarette butts or being even dumber by taking charcoal ashes and putting them in the grass. Have only seen the smoke from one fire and that was about 20 miles or more north of us. We have been very fortunate here and the snow we had the other night did help here.


36 posted on 01/11/2006 8:55:14 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: concretebob

I am with you -- nothing going to change my mind either about the OKC Bombing.


37 posted on 01/11/2006 8:57:05 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Throw out OK's Governor DoLittle in 2006!)
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To: PhiKapMom

"We have been very fortunate here and the snow we had the other night did help here."

Glad to hear it. Too bad this got started so late, it's nearly midnight here ... I'm going to have to call it a night, and check back in the morning.

Oh, and I forgot to look ... did anybody ping LibertyRocks, MizSterious or the rest of that early Norman Bomber ping list? I'm sure they'd still be interested.

Later!


38 posted on 01/11/2006 8:59:57 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Cindy; Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree; LibertyRocks; WestCoastGal

ping


39 posted on 01/11/2006 9:03:57 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

bttt


40 posted on 01/11/2006 9:18:57 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: PhiKapMom; concretebob
Ditto that! Weird. Three loony conspiracists on the same thread. Who'd have thunk it!
;-)
41 posted on 01/11/2006 9:30:59 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: ntnychik; potlatch; PhilDragoo; Liz


OKC & 911 were both Iraq financed and planned and executed

The left has it's head in the sand like many did in the 1930's and before in Europe and ended up in gas chambers

They are showing they have not learned anything and are doing it again here in the USA

They are useful idiots and traitors in many cases

When all comes apart they expect American soldiers to fight and die to protect and save them

They demand a free ride - see the #ages in the US military

Facts are facts


42 posted on 01/11/2006 10:07:36 PM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.

OK Terrorism ping!

43 posted on 01/12/2006 3:22:41 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: concretebob
I'm glad someone besides me knows that little fact.

I just pinged a whole list of people who also know.

44 posted on 01/12/2006 3:25:50 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping, OT.

Why do certain songs keep popping in my head? "What's That Smell?",
"Suspicious Minds", "Boomer Sooner"

Smoke does not happen by itself.


45 posted on 01/12/2006 5:18:06 AM PST by auboy
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To: auboy

Or TATP explosions outside stadiums, apparently.


46 posted on 01/12/2006 5:21:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: concretebob; PhiKapMom

Looks like we got another "fedscum know-it-all, move along- nothing happening here" type.

I'm with Y'all, there is way more info on ALL these bomings than is known to the public.

That truck bomb did not bring down the OKC Building alone.


47 posted on 01/12/2006 5:51:29 AM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
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To: phatus maximus
there is more than sufficient evidence fedscum induced theory.

Here I fixed it for Ya.

48 posted on 01/12/2006 5:53:43 AM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
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To: Velveeta
Thanks for the ping Vel.

It's maddening that there are so many of these so called religious 'peaceful' mussies running around loose. If someone writing a book can peel away the layers of their hidden agenda, so can the alphabets. They all need to be deported!

I still wonder about all the arson fires in OK and Tx over the past weeks.
49 posted on 01/12/2006 6:22:26 AM PST by WestCoastGal (A jolly type known for a red suit and a red sleigh.!!!!! My designated driver)
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To: concretebob; PhiKapMom

The link below will take Freepers to a long and well documented paper on the Teflon Terrorists in America.

A large part of the paper addresses the Jihadist history/problem in Oklahoma City and some addresses the problems in Norman.

Those who are interested in the history of the Jihadists in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City and Norman might want to bookmark this long and well documented paper.

http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt_05.htm


50 posted on 01/12/2006 6:59:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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