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Kennedys must take a higher road
Cape Cod Times ^ | January 5, 2006 | SOLON ECONOMOU

Posted on 01/11/2006 8:39:11 PM PST by george76

Within the space of a single week, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Sen. Edward Kennedy have managed to mangle reality with op-ed pieces in two of the nation's leading newspapers.

''As an environmentalist, I support wind power,'' began RFK Jr.'s op-ed piece in the New York Times, ...

Then he proceeded to once again propagate the inaccuracies repeated like mantras by those opposed to the Nantucket Sound wind farm.

''The noise of the turbines will be audible onshore. A transformer substation would house...40,000 gallons of potentially hazardous oil...

The Humane Society estimates the whirling turbines could every year kill thousands of migrating songbirds and sea ducks.''

If RFK Jr. had taken the trouble to join me and others last year in Denmark... he would know that the ''noise'' of modern turbines can't be heard even at the base of the towers, much less ''onshore.''

The ''hazardous oil'' in the transformer is mineral oil.

Our mothers gave that to some of us as a laxative when we were kids.

If, by some astronomically impossible chance, a meteorite from outer space happens to penetrate the triple-hulled substation Cape Wind has proposed for Nantucket Sound, we might get a bunch of fish with diarrhea.

And, if RFK Jr. really cares about birds, let me set his mind at ease. The ''whirling turbines'' don't whirl; they rotate slowly and gracefully in the wind.

A week later, in an op-ed piece in the Boston Globe on Dec. 22, Senator Kennedy repeated the hoax that ''a college student in Massachusetts had two government agents show up at his house because he went to the library and asked for the official Chinese version of Mao Tse-tung's 'Communist Manifesto'.''

Er'...'¦Senator, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote ''The Communist Manifesto.''

Mao's book is ''Quotations from Chairman Mao Tsetung.''

(Excerpt) Read more at capecodonline.com ...


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1 posted on 01/11/2006 8:39:14 PM PST by george76
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To: george76
They are Hypocrites
2 posted on 01/11/2006 8:41:03 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1

Yes...Day and Night.


3 posted on 01/11/2006 8:42:02 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
The ''hazardous oil'' in the transformer is mineral oil.

Mineral oil may be as hazardous as Dihydrogen Monoxide

4 posted on 01/11/2006 8:42:28 PM PST by TankerKC (Who will hold the NYT accountable for knowingly releasing classified info?)
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To: george76
Kennedys must take a higher road
Ted Kennedy has taken the road so low he ended up going off the road and into the drink at Chappaquiddick. He's been there ever since.
5 posted on 01/11/2006 8:43:05 PM PST by Man50D
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To: george76
The ''hazardous oil'' in the transformer is mineral oil.

Mineral oil may be as hazardous as Dihydrogen Monoxide

6 posted on 01/11/2006 8:43:26 PM PST by TankerKC (Who will hold the NYT accountable for knowingly releasing classified info?)
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To: TankerKC

7 posted on 01/11/2006 8:43:51 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

THEY think THEY are ROYALTY....and as such, not subject to the same rules as we "commoners."


8 posted on 01/11/2006 8:43:59 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: Mo1

``Senator Kennedy repeated the hoax that ''a college student in Massachusetts had two government agents show up at his house because he went to the library and asked for the official Chinese version of Mao Tse-tung's 'Communist Manifesto'.''
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he is obsessed with library books............wonder what he's been checking out


9 posted on 01/11/2006 8:44:35 PM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: george76

"But both Kennedys need to take a higher road, and be true to themselves, their families, and the American people, by just sticking to the facts"

They just need to get off the road..


10 posted on 01/11/2006 8:46:28 PM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: george76

These are folks who live easily with contradictions....heh...heh...


11 posted on 01/11/2006 8:46:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: Mo1

Bad to the bone

12 posted on 01/11/2006 8:47:49 PM PST by Lady Jag ( I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: Howlin
he is obsessed with library books............wonder what he's been checking out

Not sure .. but in the papers around my way, I keep hearing about all the preverts down loading porn

13 posted on 01/11/2006 8:48:01 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: george76

Kennedy Courage©...since 1861.

 


Communist Goals 1963 Congressional Record

14 posted on 01/11/2006 8:48:32 PM PST by Fintan (See??? Sometimes I do read the articles.)
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To: george76
Kennedys must take a higher road

..it's hard for snakes to fly

Doogle

15 posted on 01/11/2006 8:49:04 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: george76
You couldn't be more correct...

Wind turbines kill as many birds as your home's sliding glass door. Probably less because the mere motion of the 12,000 lb blades is enough to deter the birds and slow enough not to endanger.

If you see wind turbines that spin quickly those are the much smaller, obsoleted units, that we would be well served to replace with the newer 1 megawatt or larger units. This would also result in a lot more power per sq area of wind farm with fewer units... or in Kennedy's lingo... a lot less endangered horizon imparing energy generation.

16 posted on 01/11/2006 8:49:08 PM PST by Xcoastie (If you think education is expensive, try ignorance)
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To: Mo1
It official. After today's fireworks at the Alito hearing I'm willing to say it out loud: I hate the entire Kennedy family.

Curse the day that Joe Senior crawled out of whatever gutter spawned him. That man and his useless offspring have done inestimable damage to this country and continue to do so.

17 posted on 01/11/2006 8:49:54 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Lady Jag

18 posted on 01/11/2006 8:50:01 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Heck, if they go for these turbines off shore, maybe they can disguise the off shore oil rigs to look like them also.(grin)

These two jerks are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Especially the younger joker that has absolutely no idea what he is talking about 99% of the time.
19 posted on 01/11/2006 8:50:15 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: george76

BUMP!


20 posted on 01/11/2006 8:51:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: george76
A week later, in an op-ed piece in the Boston Globe on Dec. 22, Senator Kennedy repeated the hoax that ''a college student in Massachusetts had two government agents show up at his house because he went to the library and asked for the official Chinese version of Mao Tse-tung's 'Communist Manifesto'.''

First of all, Kennedy is an idiot. Secondly, this story was debunked weeks ago. The student admitted that he made the story up. Does anyone have the link to that?

21 posted on 01/11/2006 8:52:28 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: TankerKC

"Mineral oil may be as hazardous as Dihydrogen Monoxide"

In the hands of a Kennedy, no doubt either one could prove fatal.


22 posted on 01/11/2006 8:52:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mo1

Worse, they are ignoramuses.


23 posted on 01/11/2006 8:54:16 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Xcoastie

"if RFK Jr. really cares about birds, let me set his mind at ease. The ''whirling turbines'' don't whirl; they rotate slowly and gracefully in the wind."

"A bird would have to be suicidal to hit one."

"RFK Jr. could have joined me (the author) in studying the radar and infrared tracks of migratory birds approaching the wind farms."

"He would have seen the birds are smarter than those ''environmentalists'' who speak for them - that entire flocks approach the wind farm, see it, and, surprise, fly around it."

" In fact, only two birds were killed in two years at the Baltic wind farm."

"I'd wager that's fewer than the birds killed each year flying into the sides of the Kennedy compound in Hyannis."

http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/edits/economou.htm


24 posted on 01/11/2006 8:57:33 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: RegulatorCountry

25 posted on 01/11/2006 9:00:26 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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''As an environmentalist wealthy, spoiled trust baby, I support wind power (in the neighborhoods where the little people live),'' began RFK Jr.'s op-ed piece in the New York Times, ...
26 posted on 01/11/2006 9:02:51 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (The Main Stream Media: Al-Qaeda's most effective spy network.)
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To: Mo1

Did you hear Mike DeWine on Tony Snow's show today??

He is against ANWR...and wants Bush to come out tomorrow and pledge to be energy independent from oil by the end of the decade...

And he mentioned coal mines (great timing, Mike), wind power, and nuclear plants...

He said he is against ANWR, because we should "keep it pristine"...blech


27 posted on 01/11/2006 9:05:29 PM PST by Txsleuth (Become a $ - day Donor.----Less than a Starbuck's coffee!!)
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To: Rocky

This report...

The UMass Dartmouth student who claimed to have been visited by Homeland Security agents over his request for "The Little Red Book" by Mao Zedong has admitted to making up the entire story.

The 22-year-old student tearfully admitted he made the story up to his history professor, Dr. Brian Glyn Williams, and his parents, after being confronted with the inconsistencies in his account.

Had the student stuck to his original story, it might never have been proved false.

But on Thursday...the student added new details.

The agents had returned, the student said, just last night.

The two agents, the student, his parents and the student's uncle all signed confidentiality agreements, he claimed, to put an end to the matter.

But when Dr. Williams went to the student's home yesterday and relayed that part of the story to his parents, it was the first time they had heard it.

The story began to unravel, and the student, faced with the truth, broke down and cried.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-24-05/a01lo719.htm


28 posted on 01/11/2006 9:07:22 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Txsleuth

energy independent by the end of the DECADE? or CENTURY? is this guy out of his mind?


29 posted on 01/11/2006 9:08:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: george76

If they'd both take a road with a bridge on it. Over a body of water.


31 posted on 01/11/2006 9:09:43 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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LOL...that is what is funny...he said DECADE....LOL

BTW...I am really ignorant about this kind of stuff...how does one power a car on coal, nuke or wind power?


32 posted on 01/11/2006 9:10:08 PM PST by Txsleuth (Become a $ - day Donor.----Less than a Starbuck's coffee!!)
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He said he is against ANWR, because we should "keep it pristine"...blech

So it's safe to say that he doesn't know where the actual drilling will be?

33 posted on 01/11/2006 9:12:17 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Txsleuth

well, you can make diesel fuel out of coal. and hyrdogen out of the electricity generated by nuclear power. but the program required would be MASSIVE, and the environmentalists would work to thwart any new development of coal and nuclear power anyway.


34 posted on 01/11/2006 9:12:18 PM PST by oceanview
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To: wfallen
Strictly speaking you and the writer are both correct. Speed is dependent from which point on the blade you measure.

I think the real point of the article is what part of the environment do we consider endangered? Panoramic views? Property values? Birds in the desert?

35 posted on 01/11/2006 9:13:46 PM PST by Xcoastie (If you think education is expensive, try ignorance)
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"...the student, faced with the truth, broke down and cried..."

Ann Coulter was right in her book "Slander". They cry.


36 posted on 01/11/2006 9:14:47 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: yldstrk

kennedy is just a useful turd for various dissidents because his dead brothers were somebodies. He aint.


37 posted on 01/11/2006 9:15:30 PM PST by mathurine (ua)
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To: Txsleuth

"He said he is against ANWR, because we should "keep it pristine"...blech"

Isn't DeWine up for re-election in '08? If so, he'll have plenty of time to visit the "pristine" refuge once he gets his arse kicked out of the Senate.


38 posted on 01/11/2006 9:16:31 PM PST by freedom4me
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To: oceanview

That was my thought...even though I didn't know how...I DID know that the nuke power plants would be a NIMBY issue...

just like the offshore drilling and ANWR, and wind farms.

I wonder what DeWine would do to appease all of the NIMBY folks??


39 posted on 01/11/2006 9:16:50 PM PST by Txsleuth (Become a $ - day Donor.----Less than a Starbuck's coffee!!)
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"Kennedys must take a higher road "

Yeah, them damn bridges can be a bitch!

40 posted on 01/11/2006 9:52:09 PM PST by de Buillion (CWII COMETH!)
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To: george76

That's it! Thanks.


41 posted on 01/11/2006 10:59:53 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: george76
From Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s 12-16-05 NY Times Op-Ed:

Environmental groups have been enticed by Cape Wind, but they should be wary of lending support to energy companies that are trying to privatize the commons - in this case 24 square miles of a heavily used waterway. And because offshore wind costs twice as much as gas-fired electricity and significantly more than onshore wind, the project is financially feasible only because the federal and state governments have promised $241 million in subsidies.

Bobby Jr. is not aware that most wind farms "lease" the land upon which they place turbines, generating (figuratively and literally) revenue for the land-owner; in this case the Federal or State government perhaps. And yes, on/offshore wind has a higher $/MWh installed/capital cost compared to gas-fired electricity, but it also doesn't require a fossil fuel source nor generate CO2 emmissions (the whole environmental argument for wind energy, no?). Offshore winds are also generally stronger and more consistent than onshore locations, which over time off-sets the initial capital cost differential between on and offshore wind farms.

If Cape Wind were to place its project further offshore, it could build not just 130, but thousands of windmills - where they can make a real difference in the battle against global warming without endangering the birds or impoverishing the experience of millions of tourists and residents and fishing families who rely on the sound's unspoiled bounties.

Bobby Jr. first complains how unfeasibly expensive this offshore wind farm is, then he suggests it be built further offshore, in deeper waters, which would make it even MORE expensive/unfeasible. I've never heard any tourists or fisherman in Santa Barbara complaining of their impoverishment due to all the offshore oil rigs. And how can the Nantucket Sound be so "unspoiled" as he claims if it's a "heavily used waterway?"

42 posted on 01/12/2006 12:03:40 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Xcoastie
Wind turbines kill as many birds as your home's sliding glass door. Probably less because the mere motion of the 12,000 lb blades is enough to deter the birds and slow enough not to endanger.

Slow enough that I wonder if the birds can't perch on them. (What's birdie for "Wheeeeeeeeee!"?)

43 posted on 01/12/2006 12:06:31 AM PST by The Red Zone
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Kennedys must take a higher road...

In Teddy's case this is accomplished by blowing all ballast tanks.

44 posted on 01/12/2006 5:50:29 AM PST by GingisK
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To: george76

Mary Jo would have preferred to just stay on the road!


45 posted on 01/12/2006 8:41:36 AM PST by jw777
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To: george76

Intersting title, but sh*t doesn't roll uphill [to the high road], especially in such quantity.


46 posted on 01/12/2006 8:44:14 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: wfallen

"The blade of a large wind turbine move at more than 100 miles per hour. That may be moving "gracefully" but not my idea of "slowly". Be careful, the writer of this article may have his own agenda"

Recent studies show they don't kill more birds than other manmade structures like bridges, tall buildings, radio towers, etc.


47 posted on 01/12/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: george76

There were wind turbines all over the area where we lived in central Germany.

They made no noise, and having hiked to a couple of them, I did not even once see a dead bird. Ever.

Actually, I thought they were picturesque and added to the scenery.


48 posted on 01/12/2006 9:54:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: george76
Kennedys must take a higher road

Duh!

To them; ALL the roads are 'higher'!

49 posted on 01/12/2006 11:14:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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"The blade of a large wind turbine move at more than 100 miles per hour"

Doesn't that depend on the speed of the wind?


50 posted on 01/12/2006 11:41:14 AM PST by seamusnh
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