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To: sugar_puddin

Virtually all internal regime changes require intense international support.

Pressure has to be brought to bear on the regime in such a manner to encourage the democratic forces inside of Iran to act in unison against the regime.

What is the western world waiting for?

The only other options are a military occupation of Iran or a nuclear Iran.


7 posted on 01/12/2006 2:03:03 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
"Pressure has to be brought to bear on the regime in such a manner to encourage the democratic forces inside of Iran to act in unison against the regime."" :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.................
If history can be a guide: it took what 50 yrs for the USSR to collapse, China still under commie boot. Cuba- still under castro's boot.

Iraq after 12 yrs of no fly zones and one war Saddam still required an invasion to be removed from power.

Let's not put our hopes in an over throw of the Mad Mullahs
by the people..as we do not have 50 yrs to allow for it.

The only option is limited air strikes and limited ground action aimed at removing the leaders and the military ability of IRan - the future of warfare is not the full scale invasion but the surgical removal of those in power and the freezing of communications and electric power grids combined with the occupation or destruction of key military targets such as the nuke facilities..a truly asymmetric war limiting our forces exposure to harm while using all available means to destroy the targets.
Iran is target one for this new warfare (Iraq was first attempt at this type of warfare with some old military concepts still carrying the day.)
12 posted on 01/12/2006 3:27:53 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: DoctorZIn
What is the western world waiting for?

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Give me a break. Twice in 1Q-05 President Bush told the iranians - "Stand and we will stand with you.". He did this in globally televised speeches, including the State of the Union Address. In other words, he told the world in the clearest language he could use that we will be behind your people.

Every rational westerner wants to see the change. It is disturbing to hear you say that the West has to act first when the real question is "What are iranians waiting for?"

16 posted on 01/12/2006 4:50:31 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: DoctorZIn

In which State of the Union address (which year) did Bush offer praise to the youth of Iran and their cause for dramatic change in Iran?

I'm puzzled that he can say this ONCE, and not be expected to follow through. Or that he himself doesn't want to follow through, even with something as simple as more statements.

Having said that, I doubt there is much of a military option on the table, knowing that we are already fighting two wars. Maybe plans can be laid for the future?


19 posted on 01/12/2006 5:24:51 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: DoctorZIn
"Virtually all internal regime changes require intense international support."

This is not true. The American and French revolutions needed no significant outside support. The communist revolution in Russia had no outside support.

Indeed for a successful regime change outside support is often poison. With the support of foreign powers, revolutionaries are often seen as traitors to the homeland rather than patriots and as such lose the support of the people.

In Islamic countries this is especially true if the populace suspects the revolutionaries are westernized and would forsake Islamic principles in favor of western culture.
23 posted on 01/12/2006 6:35:18 AM PST by monday
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