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Race gap in school discipline persists in Seattle
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^
| Wednesday, January 11, 2006
| JESSICA BLANCHARD
Posted on 01/12/2006 12:00:30 PM PST by Sopater
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The Seattle school district thinks that the disproportion in racial discipline is related to poor training of teachers rather than behavioral issues of the students. They believe that it is related more to cultrual issues with the disciplinarian rather than cultrual issues within the home.
Stefan Sharkanski of Sound Politics has an excellent article here where he took just a few moments to compare the cultural issue of family structure to the instences of disciplinary action and found some interesting results...
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:00:31 PM PST
by
Sopater
To: Sopater
Could it be that African American students behave offensively more often?
Nah. Couldn't be.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:04:23 PM PST
by
Uncle Miltie
(Surrender! - Vote Democrat.)
To: Sopater
"Seattle Public Schools continues to struggle with a chronic problem: African American students are still far more likely than their white peers to be suspended or expelled. The "discipline gap" persists" "Discipline gap", or behavior gap? Typical liberal crapola, blame the white guys.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:05:53 PM PST
by
TheCrusader
("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
To: Sopater
I don't believe for one minute that the Seattle school district thinks that poor training of teachers is responsible for the higher rate of black students' suspensions and expulsions. Everyone knows why black students are disciplined at far higher rates--because they cause problems at far higher rates than other students! The school district knows this as well, of course. It's called p.r. Trying to fend off lawsuits, or whatever.
To: Sopater
Sounds like there might actually be a "misbehavior gap".
To: Sopater
I'd be curious to know how many suspended students regardless of race come from a home with a mother and father present
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:08:00 PM PST
by
Horatio Gates
(Optimist sees the donut, pessimist sees only the hole.)
To: Sopater
Sure. Let the inmates run the prison because they have white whiners looking out for them.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:08:12 PM PST
by
llevrok
(Chutzpah, with salsa on the side.)
To: Sopater
Another example of liberal results oriented policy. Liberals think the problem is that there is a disparity rather than looking at the problem. The problem here is the number of disciplinary problems in schools, regardless of race. That more Black children are disciplinary problems may relate to higher percentage of fatherless homes, or other problems.
Teachers tell me that they are not allowed to discipline students. The definitely cannot touch a student. I ask, what do you do when a student acts out in class. The answer, ask the student to stop, if they don't tell them to go to the Principal's office. What if they don't go to the Principal's office. Well, we call the principal or just let it go. Most of the time they just let it go, since it happens so frequently.
When I was a student, teachers could administer discipline quickly and resolutely. The few times that I was sent to the Principal's office, I caught more hell at home from my parents than I every wanted again.
To: Sopater
I know how to fix this! Throw more money at it! After all, that's generally why govie programs don't work, isn't it? Yes, more money will do the trick nicely....especially in Seattle.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:08:21 PM PST
by
RexBeach
("There is no susbstitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
To: sionnsar
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:09:04 PM PST
by
Horatio Gates
(Optimist sees the donut, pessimist sees only the hole.)
To: Sopater
Could the black students be engaging in activity that warrants the punishments in a far higher percentage than the white students?
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:09:57 PM PST
by
Phantom Lord
(Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
To: Sopater
Figures lie and liars figure!
R3
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:13:07 PM PST
by
RedRightReturn
(Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
To: Brad Cloven
"Could it be that African American students behave offensively more often? " The media trick is to state the proportional distribution of punishment, and not the proportional distribution of offenses.
They make it sound unjust, which is what they intend to do.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:13:14 PM PST
by
lormand
(Close the border...the US/Kalifornia border.)
To: Phantom Lord
"Could the black students be engaging in activity that warrants the punishments in a far higher percentage than the white students?"
Hey, no fair changing the subject... ;-)
Notice that behavioral and family issues never come up in the article or the report...
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:13:52 PM PST
by
Sopater
(Creatio Ex Nihilo)
To: Sopater
Gee, they've given extra training to teachers and the administration and tried all kinds of new ideas and it hasn't seemed to work. HELLOOOO, it isn't the teachers or the administration that has the problem, it is some of the black students. When about 70% of any racial group come from one parent homes, they're going to have a problem.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:17:22 PM PST
by
jazusamo
(A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
To: Sopater
Given the way this story is written it would appear that drastic action is needed to end this "discipline gap". As a drastic measure I would suggest that any principal who suspends an African American student be fired for failing to adequately deal with the problem. I am quite sure that the "discipline gap" described will end very quickly (if that is the real problem).
To: lormand
The media trick is to state the proportional distribution of punishment, and not the proportional distribution of offenses. I was trying to find anywhere in the article where it listed the proportion of offenses committed by black students vs white students. Or something like: "When a white student started a fight, he was suspended 50% of the time, when a black student started a fight, he was suspended 100% of the time." This just says black students are punished more, but doesn't explain the reasons behind punishment.
To: Sopater
Flynn said the district needs to do a better job of lowering discipline rates, especially for black and Hispanic students. Discipline has been taken out of the schools what would Flyn expect?
The statistics would be much higher if all the student problems were addressed, probably twice as high.
Bury your head in the sand, Ostrich style, but addressing the problem would not be politically correct.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:20:14 PM PST
by
BIGZ
To: Sopater
Just suspend more white students. Problem fixed.
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posted on
01/12/2006 12:21:26 PM PST
by
blam
To: Sopater
Nearly two decades after it began tracking student discipline, Seattle Public Schools continues to struggle with a chronic problem: African American students are still far more likely than their white peers to be suspended or expelled. Could that have something to do with the fact that they act up and need disciplined more often? That they are more likely to be fatherless? To be raised in a culture that tells them that actually trying to better yourself is a betrayal of your race????
DUMB LIBERALS! I wouldn't trust em to walk my dog... by the time they brought him back, he'd feel guilty for chaising cats, and self destructive because he actually enjoys being loyal.
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