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Governor Daniels confident he can pull Indiana out of budget deficit(Rino barf alert)
wndu.com ^ | 1 10 06 | wndu.com

Posted on 01/12/2006 1:05:34 PM PST by freepatriot32

Governor Daniels says cost-cutting steps will have Indiana poised to eliminate a $600 million deficit by June.

During his Wednesday night State of the State Address, Daniels said, "The first steps of any race are critical. Our first steps have been fast ones."

Governor Daniels' first year in office brought dramatic change and this year is shaping up to be the same.

As expected, Daniels sought support for his plan to raise money for highway construction by selling or leasing the Indiana Toll Road.

“If big private firms are willing to offer Indiana a very large sum of money today, for the right to operate our northern toll road over time, we would be foolish not to seize that opportunity and make the dreams of decades a reality in our time," said Daniels.

Daniels also urged lawmakers to give local governments power to consolidate and use new ways of raising money. That plan includes transferring the state's township tax assessment system to county assessors.

According to Daniels, “If the machinery of state government needs an overhaul, then our local government needs an extreme makeover."

Scoring big points with educators, Daniels pledged to shift more money to the classroom, and find other places to cut costs in schools.

Daniels said, “It's time to make sure more of our school dollars are available to teachers and the purposes that matter most. Let's catch up and pass other states in the efficiency of school spending."

Perhaps the biggest surprise in Wednesday night's speech: an increased tax on cigarettes. Daniels urged the legislature to raise the cigarette tax by $.25 a pack.

“It’s no accident that we have some of the highest health care costs anywhere, a barrier in the way of new jobs we seek. No single step we could take would matter more than reducing the number of Hoosiers, particularly young Hoosiers, who smoke cigarettes," said Daniels.

He added, "All the evidence shows that the most effective way to deter young smokers is at the cash register."

The Daniels administration says a cigarette tax increase of $.25 per pack would raise about $120 million a year.


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is it any suprise this rino workled in the bush administration before he slimed his way into indiana government keep voting republican folks because they are sooooo much different then the tax and spend nanny state democrats yep dont throw your vote away on libertarians or any other third party oh yeah by the way this rino also supports his masters guest worker program Indiana Gov. Daniels backs Bush guest worker proposal
1 posted on 01/12/2006 1:05:42 PM PST by freepatriot32
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To: SheLion

ping


2 posted on 01/12/2006 1:06:37 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32; SheLion
“It’s no accident that we have some of the highest health care costs anywhere, a barrier in the way of new jobs we seek. No single step we could take would matter more than reducing the number of Hoosiers, particularly young Hoosiers, who smoke cigarettes," said Daniels. He added, "All the evidence shows that the most effective way to deter young smokers is at the cash register." The Daniels administration says a cigarette tax increase of $.25 per pack would raise about $120 million a year. Pingaroo
3 posted on 01/12/2006 1:07:36 PM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message he
4 posted on 01/12/2006 1:09:59 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

I don't know about anyone else but I have had my fill of these jerks!


5 posted on 01/12/2006 1:10:27 PM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: freepatriot32
He added, "All the evidence shows that the most effective way to deter young smokers is at the cash register." The Daniels administration says a cigarette tax increase of $.25 per pack would raise about $120 million a year.

So, he wants to raise the cigarette tax to discourage smoking, but he still expects to raise the $120 million? Uh-huh. You know, he ought to look across the border into Illinois and see how honest the politicians are (and this is probably one of the few things they are honest about) when it comes to raising cigarette taxes. They don't even talk about health concerns anymore; the tax increase is sold simply as a quick fix for budget woes.

6 posted on 01/12/2006 1:24:42 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Just say "No" to Judy Baar Topinka)
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To: Earthdweller

indiana ping list ping


7 posted on 01/12/2006 1:37:19 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: beltfed308; freepatriot32
Tax increase?  Read just how much the Indiana smokers are contributing to the state economy NOW just by paying the taxes on cigarettes!  Why are only 25-30% of the people doomed to carry the weight of the state budget time after time just because they choose to smoke a LEGAL product???!!!!

Indiana Information

Tobacco Taxes 

Indiana's excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.555
Indiana's excise tax collection for the
fiscal year ending June 2002: $114,757,000

Sales tax on tobacco products: 6.00%

Federal excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.39
Total federal excise tax collections in fiscal year 2002: $7,512,700,000 

Comparing Excise Taxes on Cigarettes, Beer and Wine

Number of six-packs of beer that must be sold in Indiana to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 85.8

Number of bottles of wine that must be sold in Indiana to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 59.6

Indiana Smokers' Contributions to the State Economy - FY2004

In 2003, Indiana smokers comprised only 26.1% of the adult population in the state. Here is what they already pay because they choose to buy a legal product:
Smokers Pay Excise Taxes $335,915,000
Smokers Pay Sales Taxes $125,116,000
Smokers Pay Tobacco Settlement Payments $126,600,000
$587,631,000

Smokers' Economic/Tax Profile 2003
Income
Indiana smokers' median household income $33,135
Indiana nonsmokers' median household income $44,086
Working families pay more
36% of Indiana smokers had household incomes LESS THAN $25,000
11% of Indiana smokers had household incomes EQUAL TO or GREATER THAN $75,000

The impact of smoker payments on the incomes of working families was more than THREE TIMES the impact on higher income smokers. Those who can afford it least pay a disproportionate percentage of their hard-earned income in smoker payments. 
Smoker excise tax/sales tax/tobacco settlement payments liability in FY2004
Total average paid per Indiana smoker in excise and sales taxes $392
Cost per Indiana smoker for settlement payments to Indiana $108
Total annual payments to Indiana per smoker $500
Total annual payments to Indiana per nonsmoker $0

8 posted on 01/12/2006 1:37:58 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
So, he wants to raise the cigarette tax to discourage smoking, but he still expects to raise the $120 million? Uh-huh. You know, he ought to look across the border into Illinois and see how honest the politicians are (and this is probably one of the few things they are honest about) when it comes to raising cigarette taxes. They don't even talk about health concerns anymore; the tax increase is sold simply as a quick fix for budget woes.

He is talking out of BOTH sides of his mouth!  He wants a smoke free everything BUT HE CAN'T BALANCE HIS STATE BUDGET WITHOUT STICKING IT TO THE SMOKERS AGAIN!

And this is even his own constituents who choose to smoke.  Smokers are damn tired of carrying the weight of the state on their shoulders over and over.  This is ridiculous!

9 posted on 01/12/2006 1:40:04 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
He is talking out of BOTH sides of his mouth! He wants a smoke free everything BUT HE CAN'T BALANCE HIS STATE BUDGET WITHOUT STICKING IT TO THE SMOKERS AGAIN!

Exactly. And that's why he should get more brazen, like Illinois politicians, and call a spade a spade. They know that at lot of people will continue to smoke, and they've gotten used to doing it outside, so I think a lot of the "health talk" is just...blowing smoke.

Plus, it occurred to me that maybe Daniels is looking across the border and seeing something -- all the Illinoisans who patronize Indiana gas stations, convenience stores, and tobacco shops. He knows we're going to keep going there, even if he raises taxes, because it's still a better deal for us than to do business in Illinois.

There isn't a functioning gas station or convenience store (except those that do a liquor/deli business) for miles around my neighborhood in Chicago, which is right on the Indiana line. There are few large grocery stores. And I'm convinced that it's the tax disparity between Illinois/Cook County/Chicago, and Indiana that destroyed business in my part of town. That's not Indiana's fault, of course, but the fault of the rotten, corrupt, greedy "leaders" on my side of the line.

10 posted on 01/12/2006 1:53:44 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Just say "No" to Judy Baar Topinka)
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To: freepatriot32; Republic; Teacher317; IN Farm Girl; defconw; Conservatish; WomanBiologist; ...
Pinging the list for a discussion about smoking and Indiana taxes...enter if you dare.

If you would like on or off the Indiana Ping list please send me a FReepmail.

11 posted on 01/13/2006 7:45:55 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: SheLion
In 2003, Indiana smokers comprised only 26.1% of the adult population in the state. Here is what they already pay because they choose to buy a legal product:

Smokers Pay Excise Taxes $335,915,000
Smokers Pay Sales Taxes $125,116,000
Smokers Pay Tobacco Settlement Payments $126,600,000
Total: $587,631,000

Let lets assume that the purely altruistic reasons for raising all these taxes is to stop people smoking, and that they are successful.

What will these politicos target next to make them feel smug and superior AND RAISE ALL THOSE HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of DOLLARS!?

Hopefully it will be something I don't care much about, but something that I can ram down the throats of those pius, smug anti's.

12 posted on 01/13/2006 8:21:00 AM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Earthdweller
Reporting as ordered - SIR!

I have to agree with the original poster, call it what it is, a tax increase. Why even bother hiding behind the skirt of health concerns unless you actually plan on doing something about it. Old smokers will just keep puffing away and younger smokers will cough up an extra gumball for a pack.

13 posted on 01/13/2006 8:25:41 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: freepatriot32

I don't give a fig about smokers paying more per pack. It's a consumption-based tax and totally voluntary. Next time, are you gonna complain about the higher price of Hoosier Lottery scratch-off tickets?


14 posted on 01/13/2006 8:53:32 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: Abathar
I have to agree with the original poster, call it what it is, a tax increase.

You could also look at it another way: a voluntary consumption tax. Don't wanna pay the taxes? Fine. You can avoid it by quitting smoking.
15 posted on 01/13/2006 8:54:45 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: SheLion
Smokers are damn tired of carrying the weight of the state on their shoulders over and over.

Well, smokers can stop paying this voluntary tax by stopping smoking. It's a consumption-based tax which is totally in the control of the payer.
16 posted on 01/13/2006 8:57:50 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: hispanichoosier
You could also look at it another way: a voluntary consumption tax. Don't wanna pay the taxes? Fine. You can avoid it by quitting smoking.

Yep. Nobody's twisting anybody's arm to smoke.

17 posted on 01/13/2006 8:58:07 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: SheLion
Smokers are damn tired of carrying the weight of the state on their shoulders over and over.

You can do one of two things:

Quit smoking.

Quit bitching.

18 posted on 01/13/2006 8:59:06 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sinkspur
You can do one of two things:

Quit smoking.

Quit bitching.

Guess what sweet cheeks?  I have been rolling my own for over 4 years.  I save over $300 dollars a month.  The state coffers be damned.

And I do wish all smokers could roll their own or quit.  Then our wonderful lawmakers would have to drain YOUR wallet to make up for the loss of revenue.  How about it!

And YOU can quit bitching about OUR BITCHING.  Freedom of speech and all that!

19 posted on 01/13/2006 9:03:06 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: hispanichoosier
Well, smokers can stop paying this voluntary tax by stopping smoking. It's a consumption-based tax which is totally in the control of the payer.

I repeat:

I have been rolling my own for over 4 years.  I save over $300 dollars a month.  The state coffers be damned.

And I do wish all smokers could roll their own or quit.  Then our wonderful lawmakers would have to drain YOUR wallet to make up for the loss of revenue.  How about it!

Well, here is one alternative:

Can't stand the high taxes?

Afraid to order off of the Internet?

Then start rolling your own!!! I find everything but the machine downtown at the local Smoke Shop.  Also, Rite Aid and grocery stores also sell the bags of tobacco and the filtered tubes.

I roll out a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars.  Premiums in my state are now up to $45-$50 a carton.  Can you imagine the money I have saved over the past 4 years since I now roll my own?  It's mind boggling.

under $50.00

Check StuffYourOwn for prices on tobacco

$1.99 for 200 filtered tubes


and

Smokers United

Roll Your Own Tobacco Store

Roll Your Own Magazine

20 posted on 01/13/2006 9:05:16 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
I have been rolling my own for over 4 years.

Then why are you complaining about a voluntary tax on other smokers?

You remind me of a guy with a still in his back yard bellyaching about liquor taxes.

21 posted on 01/13/2006 9:08:55 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sinkspur
Then why are you complaining about a voluntary tax on other smokers?

You remind me of a guy with a still in his back yard bellyaching about liquor taxes.

Because I have had a dog in this fight for 15 years.  It's not just about me.  It's about all my FReeper smoking friends and business owners and whatever  I can do to help them out.

22 posted on 01/13/2006 9:12:17 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Because I have had a dog in this fight for 15 years. It's not just about me. It's about all my FReeper smoking friends and business owners and whatever I can do to help them out.

Whatever you're doing doesn't appear to be working.

23 posted on 01/13/2006 9:17:56 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: hispanichoosier
I don't give a fig about smokers paying more per pack. It's a consumption-based tax and totally voluntary.

I'm having a hard time understanding your comment, unless it's sarcasm.

Would you say that property taxes are voluntary, since we could choose to live in less expensive houses, or rent, or move out of state?

Would you say that income taxes are largely voluntary, since we could choose to work at lower-paying jobs if we want?

In a sense, ALL taxes are voluntary -- that doesn't make them right.

24 posted on 01/13/2006 9:25:09 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: sinkspur
Whatever you're doing doesn't appear to be working.

(Get up on the wrong side of the bed did we?)

Some day soon they will come after something you care about and no one will be around to stand up for you.

And evidentially our fight IS working.  When California and Maine forced a smoking ban on the whole state, everyone else waited to see the outcome.

The loss of revenue has been devastating and now other business owners in other states are standing up and fighting for the freedoms to run their business the way they see fit.  They don't want happen to them what has happened to others from business closures to lay-offs of employees

Smoking bans are choking the economy!

25 posted on 01/13/2006 9:25:24 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: 68skylark
I'm having a hard time understanding your comment, unless it's sarcasm.

Would you say that property taxes are voluntary, since we could choose to live in less expensive houses, or rent, or move out of state?

Would you say that income taxes are largely voluntary, since we could choose to work at lower-paying jobs if we want?

In a sense, ALL taxes are voluntary -- that doesn't make them right.

I like the way you put this in context.  Thank you!  And you are SO right!

26 posted on 01/13/2006 9:27:47 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Smoking bans are choking the economy!

At a 4% annual growth rate for the economy, I hadn't noticed.

27 posted on 01/13/2006 9:29:45 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sinkspur
At a 4% annual growth rate for the economy, I hadn't noticed.

Of course not.  Since you hate smokers so much, you don't notice how many businesses have closed and how many lay-offs there have been because of them.

When a business loses 70% of their revenue from a smoking ban, I would say that the ban HAS choked the economy.  At least to the business owners that is forced to suffer through these bans.

28 posted on 01/13/2006 9:35:29 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Thanks for your kind words.

Actually, I think smoking is a repulsive habit -- it's expensive for taxpayers and consumers, and a drag on job creation here.

I've really got no problem with a tobacco tax increase IF the governor would also support some kind of income tax cut at the same time, so the end result was revenue-neutral.

But if he doesn't want to cut other taxes, he's really just a tax-and-spend RINO, and a big disappointment as governor.

29 posted on 01/13/2006 9:41:33 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
and a drag on job creation here.

What do you mean?

30 posted on 01/13/2006 9:44:42 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: freepatriot32
I've never been able to follow the logic that preventing smoking is going to save the taxpayers mega dollars. Actually what will happen, if all smoking stops, is that people will live a good deal longer and will end up by being paid much more Social Security due to the longevity. And will also consume much more in medical costs. [The elder use much more health services than younger.]

If we're gong to be logical we ought to urge everybody to start smoking. [On a personal note I'm a few months short of my 75th birthday and I don't think that I'll go back to my pipe smoking.]

31 posted on 01/13/2006 9:56:40 AM PST by curmudgeonII (One man...and the Lord...are a majority.)
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To: SheLion
What do you mean [that smoking is "a drag on job creation here"]?

Well, on this topic I'm taking the governor at his word. He says:

“It’s no accident that we have some of the highest health care costs anywhere, a barrier in the way of new jobs we seek. No single step we could take would matter more than reducing the number of Hoosiers, particularly young Hoosiers, who smoke cigarettes," said Daniels.

It seems reasonable to me that anyone seeking in build a business might go where health costs are relatively low -- that helps control their costs of doing business, AND helps control their state tax burden.

32 posted on 01/13/2006 10:10:54 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: curmudgeonII
It's true that smokers are a real blessing to social security, by dying at younger ages than they otherwise would without smoking.

But overall, it's better for if people are healthy.

From an economic point of view, they can work (and pay taxes) longer, and defer the amount of health care they need.

Also non-smokers are better for the military, police, fire and ambulance services, and they set a better example for young people.

33 posted on 01/13/2006 10:15:20 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
It seems reasonable to me that anyone seeking in build a business might go where health costs are relatively low -- that helps control their costs of doing business, AND helps control their state tax burden.

Check post #8.  Read how much Indiana smokers are paying into the state economy.  Do you actually still believe that smokers aren't paying their fair share?

Or do you prefer to still believe the tired and worn out lies for uninformed people by the lying anti's?

34 posted on 01/13/2006 10:16:49 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion
Well if you're a smoker I guess you're pretty unhappy about the proposed tax increase. I know I'd feel unhappy and persecuted if Indiana tried to raise the taxes on my vices, like coffee or martinis.

Nevertheless, I'm all in favor of doing whatever we can to discourage smoking, including tax increases. We have way too many smokers in this state, and anything we can do to reduce the numbers -- especially among young people -- is okay with me.

35 posted on 01/13/2006 10:30:34 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
Well if you're a smoker I guess you're pretty unhappy about the proposed tax increase. I know I'd feel unhappy and persecuted if Indiana tried to raise the taxes on my vices, like coffee or martinis.

See?  The lawmakers say they want a "smoke free everything," yet they can't balance a state budget without cigarette tax increases.  Putting the burden squarely on the backs of 25-30% of the state smokers.

And the non smokers are all for it, because it leaves their wallets alone.  But guess what.  If the smokers did quit, the state would be in a world of hurt for revenue.  Guess who they will go after to make the money up?  YOU.  Do you really want the smokers to stop?

Nevertheless, I'm all in favor of doing whatever we can to discourage smoking, including tax increases. We have way too many smokers in this state, and anything we can do to reduce the numbers -- especially among young people -- is okay with me.

Way too many smokers. Why is that a concern to you?  People smoke.  Most smokers really enjoy it and it's still LEGAL.  

Why don't you go after young people who drink?  I just read where Maine had more drug over doses this past year then we had vehicle deaths.  But oh my!  Just as long as the young people don't smoke!  I never could understand this logic.

Smoking is a personal decision.  We all start smoking knowing full well that it isn't good for us.  But what is really good for us in this day and age?  Not much.


36 posted on 01/13/2006 10:36:44 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: 68skylark
Well if you're a smoker I guess you're pretty unhappy about the proposed tax increase. I know I'd feel unhappy and persecuted if Indiana tried to raise the taxes on my vices, like coffee or martinis.

Oh I forgot to add that I live in Maine where they just doubled the cigarette taxes from $1 dollar to $2 on one pack of cigarettes.

But I have been rolling my own for over 4 years and I am saving over $300 dollars a month.  So, any cigarette tax increase doesn't affect me.  But I worry about my smoking friends that haven't started rolling yet.

37 posted on 01/13/2006 10:38:51 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: sinkspur; SheLion
Whatever you're doing doesn't appear to be working.

Fighters don't quit when things are not going their way. They continue to fight for what they believe is the right thing. I've seen you express similar sentiments about conservatives who wish for smaller government. It must be depressing to be so pessimistic.

SheLion, I hope all is well with you.

38 posted on 01/13/2006 11:01:44 AM PST by jmc813 (People who use the term "liberaltarian" are gay)
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To: jmc813
Fighters don't quit when things are not going their way. They continue to fight for what they believe is the right thing. I've seen you express similar sentiments about conservatives who wish for smaller government. It must be depressing to be so pessimistic.

Unfortunately, we have several in Free Republic that feel the way this one does.

SheLion, I hope all is well with you.

I am really good until I come in here and start getting bashed and trashed and some telling me how I stink just because I smoke.  I've never seen the likes!

I hope you are well.  Happy New Year btw! :)

39 posted on 01/13/2006 11:05:27 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

I had an elderly neighbor who raised his own in his garden.


40 posted on 01/13/2006 11:21:17 AM PST by wordsofearnest (Bring Back Torre)
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To: SheLion
I hope you are well.

I'm doing great despite the stupid restaurant smoking ban just passed here in dirty Jersey. Are you still in Limestone? There are some rumors starting to surface that Phish may reunite in the near future and do a festival there again possibly this summer.

41 posted on 01/13/2006 11:21:17 AM PST by jmc813 (People who use the term "liberaltarian" are gay)
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To: wordsofearnest
I had an elderly neighbor who raised his own in his garden.

Oh I could never plant tobacco.  And our summers are so short and unpredictable it would be a touch and go at best.

42 posted on 01/13/2006 12:16:51 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: jmc813
I'm doing great despite the stupid restaurant smoking ban just passed here in dirty Jersey. Are you still in Limestone? There are some rumors starting to surface that Phish may reunite in the near future and do a festival there again possibly this summer.

I sure don't envy you all going through a smoking ban.  We have had a total smoking ban in Maine since January 2003 and it's been the pits.  I went once after the ban and was so miserable sitting there, twiddling my thumbs waiting for my meal, that I swore that would be the last time I paid for that personal abuse.

I do take out now or home delivery.  Schwan's have wonderful food! :)

Phish?  Coming back here?  No kidding.  Well, one thing for sure, they sure helped the economy up here!  Thanks for the head's up.  :)

43 posted on 01/13/2006 12:19:31 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: 68skylark
Would you say that property taxes are voluntary, since we could choose to live in less expensive houses, or rent, or move out of state?

No, because shelter is a necessity; it protects us from the elements. Moreover, encouraging ownership of real estate is essential in order to tie citizens to the land and, in the end, to the state. Tobacco, while possibly addictive, is not a necessity.
44 posted on 01/13/2006 1:56:03 PM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: hispanichoosier
I don't give a fig about smokers paying more per pack

Well I do care about them raising cigarette taxes. What I don't care about is anyone's opinion about another person smoking. It's really nobody's business except the person who smokes. Do you like to pay 6% sales taxes on a loaf of bread or milk. Doubt it! So, if they raise cig taxes again I hope they put extra taxes on bread and milk too. Then all the anti-smokers can bitch about the price of bread and milk. Sure I can quit, pay the extra 25 cents or roll my own. May even grow my own tobacco. As for bread won't bother me to bake my own. Make a good loaf of yeast bread. Maybe I'll just bake enough to last all week.

45 posted on 01/13/2006 2:51:16 PM PST by jerry639
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To: curmudgeonII
Wait until all states have smoking bans and the tobacco tax falls off. All the anti-smokers will then have to make up the difference in payroll taxes. Then we will see who screams the loudest.
46 posted on 01/13/2006 2:55:09 PM PST by jerry639
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To: AFreeBird

I'm most upset about the imminent domain suit the state has threatened in order to build that new stadium.


47 posted on 01/13/2006 4:30:05 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: freepatriot32

What an idiot.


48 posted on 01/13/2006 5:29:47 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: jerry639

AMEN! Should taxes be raised on high carb foods? Fast Food? It's unhealthy - it costs society $$ for health care... The only thing required for a new tax to come about is a politician who "cares" and wants to "help" people.


49 posted on 01/13/2006 8:30:22 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: freepatriot32

Although I'll not vote for either major party ever again, I have to admit it will be very entertaining to see Mitch lose the next time he runs. He is worse than a dem.


50 posted on 01/17/2006 8:15:20 AM PST by mysterio
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