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Ed Meese Takes Chris Matthews Head On 1/12/2006 (Cleans Matthews' Clock)
www.freerepublic.com | January 13, 2006

Posted on 01/13/2006 9:08:20 AM PST by Howlin

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To: Howlin

Thanks for this... that was great!

For at least two years now I have been listening to this garabage about "uncover spy"...


151 posted on 01/14/2006 5:51:03 PM PST by Saint Athanasius ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Howlin

Meese (an adult) really spanked 'the child' Chrisy. it just shows the limited brainpower of most of these two-brain cell talking heads such as Matthews.


152 posted on 01/15/2006 5:59:36 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Republicrat is citing law that governs private citizens.

Law is only for private citizens? You have a scary point of view.

153 posted on 01/15/2006 3:08:16 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Howlin
DUH ON YOU.

Exactly how? The legality of the program has no bearing on the Clintonisms of Bush's supporters.

154 posted on 01/15/2006 3:09:05 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Howlin
How do you police an administration so that it only surveils, it only intercepts phone messages, e-mails that are clearly in that category you describe, which is contacts with the enemy?
Simple. An independent investigator appointed by the Congress listens to all such messages, then singles out those which meet the criteria, and pretends he or she didn't see the others, then turns over the hot ones to the Presidency. Problem solved. /sarcasm
155 posted on 01/15/2006 6:25:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: Malesherbes
Matthews was his usual shallow self.

One has to have some degree of depth to be shallow. Matthews has none.

156 posted on 01/15/2006 6:31:26 PM PST by Wolfstar ("We must...all hang together or...we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nopardons; Howlin; Mo1; Peach; rodguy911; Lancey Howard; Enchante; kcvl; ravingnutter; Southack; ...
This is intriguing:

"GABON — ABRAMOFF ARRANGED MEETING WITH BUSH FOR A FEE: Abramoff “asked for $9 million in 2003 from the president of a West African nation to arrange a meeting with President Bush and directed his fees to a Maryland company now under federal scrutiny, according to newly disclosed documents.”

On July 28, 2003, Abramoff wrote to Gabon’s president, Omar Bongo, “Without advance resources, I have been cautiously working to obtain a visit for the president to Washington to see President Bush.” “In a draft agreement with Gabon dated Aug. 7, 2003, Mr. Abramoff and his associates asked that $9 million in lobbying fees be paid through wire transfers - three of them, each for $3 million - to GrassRoots [small Maryland consulting firm run by Abramoff] instead of the Washington offices of Greenberg Traurig. …

The agreement promised a ‘public relations effort related to promoting Gabon and securing a visit for President Bongo with the president of the United States.’” On May 26, 2004, Bongo met with Bush. [New York Times, 11/10/05]"

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Joe Wilson's Gabon Uranium Processing Plant

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Guess who was ambassador to Gabon?

One thing to remember is that Wilson was US Ambassador to Gabon, which also had a small uranium mining trade."

There are lots of similarities between Gabon and Niger, not to mention the EU and Oil For Food Scandal. Wilson was ambassador to Gabon, another Uranium exporter. In 1999 (that year again), Cogema ended its Uranium extraction.

For years Cogema had been dumping tailings into the nearby creek. After years of environmental negligence, [it] was discovered the EU paid for certain sizable aspects of the cleanup. Nobody really knows why the EU would pay for the environmental hazard a private French company had produced. What did Cogema do for the French government or the EU?"

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And, who was OR IS an advisor to the President of Gabon??

"June 23,2005 Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi Wilson was an adviser to the President of Gabon" ((at Post #17) ((FORMER WIFE OF JOE WILSON)).

" There is only one uranium mine in Gabon. It is located near Mounana and is operated by the Compagnie des Mines d’Uranium de Franceville (COMUF). France is Gabon’s major customer…. http://www.laka.org/teksten/steps-95/2.html

The mining minister of Gabon is a former COMUF director. From 1961 to 1999, COGEMA’s subsidiary COMUF produced nearly 28,000 tonnes of uranium at Mounana, Gabon…… (WOZ Wochenzeitung, Zürich, No.30, July 22, 2004) http://www.wise-uranium.org/udec.html#GA

UN Food-for-Oil? Uranium sales from Africa to France to Libya? Mr. Wilson and both of his wives should explain their business relationships to the DNC and the French government."

157 posted on 01/18/2006 5:49:25 PM PST by STARWISE (Sedition:an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority- to cause the overthrow of govt)
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To: Fedora

Bump!


158 posted on 01/18/2006 5:49:42 PM PST by STARWISE (Sedition:an illegal action inciting resistance to lawful authority- to cause the overthrow of govt)
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To: STARWISE; Mo1; Sam Hill; kcvl

Well, well...........


159 posted on 01/18/2006 5:52:12 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Joe Wilson???


160 posted on 01/18/2006 6:06:18 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the ping; I don't know how you find this stuff, but I'm impressed.


161 posted on 01/18/2006 6:34:37 PM PST by Peach
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To: STARWISE

Great post; thanks for all of that info!


162 posted on 01/18/2006 6:56:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: STARWISE

Thanks!


163 posted on 01/18/2006 7:27:08 PM PST by Fedora
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To: STARWISE

mark

Thanks Starwise


164 posted on 01/19/2006 7:03:32 AM PST by BARLF
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To: STARWISE
A well-placed intelligence source reports that Abramoff is also linked to another Bongo cohort in Washington, DC -- a mysterious player and long time Bongo lobbyist named Joe Szlavik. Under George W. Bush, the New Jersey-based Slavik has reportedly become a "Mr. Africa" in Washington lobbying and government circles that extend into the Oval Office.

Szlavik has reportedly been fronting for Bongo for the past 6 to 8 years, his last major service to Bongo, who is both a Muslim and Freemason, painting a veneer of legitimacy to the last Gabonese presidential election, a massive fraud sold as "participatory democracy." Another knowledgeable source comfirmed that Szlavik has been a lobbyist for Bongo since at least 1992. He is also apparently very close to Bongo's eldest daughter, Pascaline who also serves as her father's principal secretary.

Wayne Madsen

As a former French Diplomat, the last known location of his second wife Jacqueline was in Gabon under the employ of the President Omar Bongo's daughter, Pascaline Mferri Bongo.

Source

Joseph Wilson was the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. Szlavik started lobbying for Bongo in 1992. Both Jacqueline and Szlavik are close to Bongo's daughter. Hmmm...surely they must all know each other.

165 posted on 01/19/2006 10:39:16 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: STARWISE
A well-placed intelligence source reports that Abramoff is also linked to another Bongo cohort in Washington, DC -- a mysterious player and long time Bongo lobbyist named Joe Szlavik. Under George W. Bush, the New Jersey-based Slavik has reportedly become a "Mr. Africa" in Washington lobbying and government circles that extend into the Oval Office.

Szlavik has reportedly been fronting for Bongo for the past 6 to 8 years, his last major service to Bongo, who is both a Muslim and Freemason, painting a veneer of legitimacy to the last Gabonese presidential election, a massive fraud sold as "participatory democracy." Another knowledgeable source comfirmed that Szlavik has been a lobbyist for Bongo since at least 1992. He is also apparently very close to Bongo's eldest daughter, Pascaline who also serves as her father's principal secretary.

Wayne Madsen

As a former French Diplomat, the last known location of his second wife Jacqueline was in Gabon under the employ of the President Omar Bongo's daughter, Pascaline Mferri Bongo.

Source

Joseph Wilson was the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995. Szlavik started lobbying for Bongo in 1992. Both Jacqueline and Szlavik are close to Bongo's daughter. Hmmm...surely they must all know each other.

166 posted on 01/19/2006 10:54:03 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: antiRepublicrat
This issue has politicians on Bush's side getting more Clintonesque every day. So far I've seen several versions of them depending on what the definition of "is" is.

You are simply wrong. Specific words have specific meanings.

Per Webster:
wiretap
2 entries found for wiretap.
Main Entry: 1wire·tap
Pronunciation: 'wIr-"tap
Function: verb
intransitive senses : to tap a telephone or telegraph wire in order to get information
transitive senses : to tap the telephone of

A specific question was asked and answered.
167 posted on 01/23/2006 9:11:23 AM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: NonLinear
Specific words have specific meanings. Per Webster:

And Webster means nothing when talking about law. Read the law to see what it defines, which is interception of any communications, whether oral or data over wire, radio, fibre, etc.

168 posted on 01/23/2006 9:27:49 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mo1
Thank you for the link.

What a Maroon!

169 posted on 01/23/2006 9:36:20 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: antiRepublicrat; Howlin
And Webster means nothing when talking about law. Read the law to see what it defines, which is interception of any communications, whether oral or data over wire, radio, fibre, etc.

I read the Code and I read the question and answer from the Hardball transcript.

MEESE: It‘s not really spying on Americans, it‘s intercepting international communications dealing with terrorists at the present time, or enemies in those days, in which, on occasion, some—one of the links would be to telephones within the United States, but it‘s not wiretapping. It‘s not bugging. The news media is almost totally getting it wrong.

MATTHEWS: But why—what‘s the difference if I‘m on the phone with somebody in Saudi Arabia and I‘m being tapped?

MEESE: Well you‘re not being tapped. The tapping is a particular technique of connecting into the wires of a particular phone or into—plugging into a particular wireless phone. This is intercepting communications that are going overseas. There‘s a lot of technology to it that I can‘t go into right now.

MATTHEWS: But it‘s still eavesdropping, isn‘t it?

MEESE: It is surveillance. It‘s surveillance, under certain circumstances and it‘s justifiable in a wartime situation or in—when you‘re dealing with enemies of the country.


I do not see anything remotely Clintonesque in the responses. Matthews implied that the interception of a signal from an overseas transmission is the same as tapping someone's phone, and it simply is not.

If you are saying that the two practices are governed by the same Code, then, you are correct. I don't think anyone has disagreed on that point.

On your claim that Meese's answer was on the order of "it depend on what the definition of 'is' is", then you are quite simply wrong. Meese stated quite simply and correctly that it is surveillance.

If your phone is tapped, then every call is monitored. All of your calls. Your discussion of your wife's doctor visit, your call to your mom, your business calls, your chats with friends. If a signal from an international line is monitored, then only calls going overseas are monitored, and those are from random sources. It's like the difference between a cop tailing you all day taking pictures of everywhere you go, and the camera on the red light taking pictures of the random cars that run the light.
170 posted on 01/23/2006 9:56:53 AM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: NonLinear

Some people don't WANT to "get it," you know?

It's 18 ACRES of main frame computers snatching keywords out of the air.


171 posted on 01/23/2006 10:10:31 AM PST by Howlin
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