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Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz

( - Having ascended to the national stage as one of the most vocal critics of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman John Murtha has long downplayed the controversy and the bitterness surrounding the two Purple Hearts he was awarded for military service in Vietnam.

Murtha is a retired marine and was the first Vietnam combat veteran elected to Congress. Since 1967, there have been at least three different accounts of the injuries that purportedly earned Murtha his Purple Hearts. Those accounts also appear to conflict with the limited military records that are available, and Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records.

A Cybercast News Service investigation also reveals that one of Murtha's former Democratic congressional colleagues and a fellow decorated Vietnam veteran, Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, alleges that Murtha admitted during an emotional conversation on the floor of the U.S. House in the early 1980s that he did not deserve his Purple Hearts.

"[Murtha] is putting himself forward as some combat veteran with serious wounds and he's using that and it's dishonest and it's wrong," Bailey told Cybercast News Service on Jan. 9. Murtha served in the Marines on active duty and in the reserves from 1952 until his retirement as a colonel in 1990. He volunteered for service in Vietnam and was a First Marine Regiment intelligence officer in 1966 and 1967.

Murtha and Bailey, once allies, were forced to run against each other in a Democratic congressional primary in 1982 following redistricting. Murtha won the election.

Murtha has, in the past, publicly dismissed any questions about whether he deserved his two Purple Hearts, noting during his 1994 congressional campaign that "I am proud of my service in Vietnam."

In his Friday, Jan. 13, response to the Cybercast News Service investigation, Murtha again defended his military record.

"Questions about my record are clearly an attempt to distract attention from the real issue, which is that our brave men and women in uniform are dying and being injured every day in the middle of a civil war that can be resolved only by the Iraqis themselves," Murtha wrote in an email response.

"I volunteered for a year's duty in Vietnam. I was out in the field almost every single day. We took heavy casualties in my regiment the year that I was there. In my fitness reports, I was rated No. 1. My record is clear," Murtha added.

However, another source, World War II Navy veteran Harry M. Fox, previously indicated that Murtha in 1968 personally asked Fox's boss, then-U.S. Rep. John Saylor (R-Pa.), for assistance in obtaining the Purple Hearts, but was turned down because Saylor's office determined that Murtha lacked sufficient evidence of wounds. Murtha later challenged Saylor for his House seat in 1968 and lost. Fox said he personally viewed Murtha's military records in 1968 as Saylor's aide.

When Saylor died in 1973, Fox attempted to succeed his boss in Congress, but was narrowly defeated by Murtha in a 1974 special election.

"Pretending to be a big war hero and boasting about having medals is a slap in the face to our veterans who were seriously wounded or killed in action," Fox was quoted as telling the Uniontown Herald-Standard in the newspaper's Nov. 1, 1996 edition. "He campaigned as a war hero and I've never seen any documentation that he earned any of these honors," Fox reportedly stated.

On Friday, Jan. 13, Murtha's congressional communications director provided Cybercast News Service with a copy of a letter from the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, citing Murtha's request of Sept. 26, 1967, seeking Purple Hearts. Cybercast News Service did not authenticate the letter.

"The records of this Headquarters show that you are entitled to the Purple Heart and a Gold Star in lieu of a second Purple Heart for wounds received in action against insurgent Communist Guerrilla forces on 22 March and 7 May 1967 in the Republic of Vietnam," according to the letter signed by an individual identified only as A. Gardoni. Gardoni's title is not listed on the letter.

Cybercast News Service attempted to contact Fox for this article, but learned that the health of the 81-year-old was too poor to allow him to communicate. But in a 1996 newspaper article, Fox questioned whether Murtha deserved his Purple Hearts, alleging that there was insufficient evidence of injuries and that Murtha was never confined to a hospital.

"Of course Congressman Saylor wanted to help if he could, but there was nothing in the service record to indicate the wounds were of any severity and the documents specifically indicated that next of kin was not notified in either instance," Fox told the Herald-Standard in 1996. "We were amazed that Mr. Murtha was asking for Purple Hearts for superficial lacerations," he added.

Murtha's accounts of his Vietnam War wounds may also conflict with the available U.S. Marine medical records obtained by the media.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported.

But an Oct. 26, 1994, article in the Herald-Standard quoted Murtha as describing two different injuries.

"I was wounded in the arm with shrapnel from a bullet that hit the motor mount of a helicopter. In the other, my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down from a very few feet," Murtha told the Herald-Standard.

A June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat quoted a letter that the newspaper indicated was sent by Murtha to his wife that same year. The letter apparently detailed yet another version of how Murtha qualified for one of his Purple Hearts. According to the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat, Murtha's injuries involved his being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."

Murtha, a 16-term congressman from southwestern Pennsylvania and the senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, drew national attention on Nov. 17, 2005, when he called for an immediate withdrawal of American forces from Iraq.

The Vietnam veteran even took a swipe at President Bush and Vice President Cheney, neither of whom have actual combat experience.

"I like guys who've never been there, who criticize us who've been there," Murtha said. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and sent people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions that what may need to be done."

Murtha discussed his own combat experience as a marine intelligence officer in his 2004 autobiography, "From Vietnam to 9/11: On the Front Lines of National Security."

"I had been awake more than twenty-four hours by the time we landed. A few hours into the battle, an on-again-off-again event, I could no longer keep my eyes open. I curled up next to a bunker and fell into a deep sleep for about an hour. Even the noise of frequent gunfire didn't wake me up. (One of my fellow officers told me the next morning that when he hadn't seen me for an hour or so, he assumed I was dead,)" Murtha wrote of one of his Vietnam combat experiences on page 14 of the 2004 paperback edition of his book. Murtha's two Purple Hearts are referenced on the back of the book.

In addition to his Purple Hearts, Murtha received the Vietnamese Cross for Gallantry and the Bronze Star with combat "V" for service in the 1st Marine Division in Vietnam. Murtha also served in the Marines during the Korean War but did not serve in Korea, according to his book.

'He's a phony and a liar'

Bailey said during the time Murtha was being investigated for his role in the Abscam FBI sting in 1980, Murtha made a confession on the House floor.

... you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn't earn your purple hearts (sic) (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn't even directly related to an APC [Armored Personnel Carrier] that ran over a small antipersonnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart [sic] you even declined to explain," wrote Bailey in an open letter dated May 5, 2002.

Bailey is also a decorated Vietnam combat veteran. He served in the U.S. Army's 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and was awarded a Silver Star and three Bronze Stars.

"At the time (of Murtha's alleged admission), you were feeling particularly vulnerable because it wasn't too long after you had called me crying and sobbing, thanking me for 'saving your life' before the ethics committee (on Abscam-related charges). There was no doubt in my mind that you were expressing to me that you did not believe you did anything sufficient to earn the purple heart [sic] and that you didn't want to be active in my efforts to laud Vietnam veterans that served with us," Bailey wrote in his May 2002 letter.

"You may deny that all you wish -- but you and I know that that conversation took place," he added.

In the Jan. 9 interview with Cybercast News Service Bailey affirmed the contents of his 2002 letter.

"The issue here is this idea or pretense that [Murtha] knows combat and he's got two Purple Hearts. He's a phony and a liar," Bailey said.

Bailey also questioned why Murtha has thus far declined to release his full military records in order to clear up the controversy.

"The Marine Corps ought to be able to produce all the orders, the medical stuff, the citations and the orders granting [the Purple Hearts] and everything else. Where is that stuff?" he asked.

According to a May 16, 2002, edition of the Washington, Pa., Observer-Reporter, Murtha "produced military paperwork indicating he was entitled to the awards," and a Murtha spokesperson was quoted as saying that "the media for years has investigated 'and found nothing.'"

But Murtha's paperwork did nothing to sway Bailey's opinion.

"You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts [sic]. But even if you were awarded the medals later, there should be affidavits from witnesses. These things should be easy to get," Bailey wrote in his letter while demanding an apology from Murtha for questioning his credibility.

Murtha could end the controversy at any time, Bailey added, simply by calling a press conference and producing the evidence of his wounds.

"Explain where you were and what you were doing when you got the purple hearts.[sic] Explain who was with you and treated your wounds, but most important, Jack, describe your wounds or the lack thereof, as you did for me, years ago," Bailey wrote.

"Unless the Marine Corps gives out medals for unsubstantiated noncombat-related telltale scratches, procured for use in political campaign -- then show me the money, Jack," Bailey added.

Murtha: 'I'm proud of my service in Vietnam'

During the 1994 congressional campaign against GOP opponent Dr. William Choby, Murtha's two Purple Hearts became a political issue.

"Explain your Purple Hearts. He (Murtha) used them to get elected," Choby charged in 1994.

In responding to the charges, Murtha claimed that he "didn't ask for the Purple Hearts.

"I'm proud of my service in Vietnam. I don't know if he (Choby) served in the service at all. I left my family and my business to serve in Vietnam. My family made great sacrifice for me to make that service in Vietnam, so I'm very proud of that," he told the Uniontown Herald-Standard in the newspaper's Oct. 26, 1994 edition.

"I am disappointed that a guy (Choby) would say something like that when I volunteered in the reserves and I felt it was important that I go. What's the point in all this? It's irritating," Murtha added.

Choby also challenged the validity of Murtha's Bronze Star with Combat 'V' during the 1996 congressional campaign.

"I find it very curious that Combat 'V' doesn't even exist in any of the materials he had distributed," Choby was quoted as saying in the Herald-Standard of Oct. 13, 1996. "His military record improves over the years," he added.

The Murtha controversy is reminiscent of the flap surrounding the war record of 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. But while critics like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacked Kerry in 2004 because of his anti-war activism of the 1970s, Murtha's three chief accusers all made their allegations years and in some cases decades before Murtha emerged last November as a prominent anti-war activist.

Choby told Cybercast News Service on Jan. 5 that Murtha's entire political career is based on his war record. "Without that credibility of those combat medals, he would have never been elected to office," Choby said.

(Monisha Bansal also contributed to this article.)

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To: paltz

I was talking to a friend who's son is in the Marines and served in Iraq during the first year of the war. His vehicle had an RPG explode above it that cause some minor shrapnel wounds, an injury to his shoulder and permanent hearing loss in both ears, he'll probably need hearing aids within 10 years according to doctors. He did not receive and has said would not have accepted a Purple for his wounds because his injuries weren't deserving of it.

As far as I'm concerned if this SOB received his medals for a couple of scratches and has since used them to enhance his political career, everything possible should be done to unmask him for what he is. Anything less is an insult to the many deserving people who have served and are still serving in our military.

221 posted on 01/13/2006 4:13:06 PM PST by whershey
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To: paltz
IF TRUE..Patriotism, is (almost always) the last refuge of a Scoundrel / Demagogue.
222 posted on 01/13/2006 4:13:41 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: bnelson44

"Trying to find fault in someone's war service is not honorable."

Vets are honorable to protect the integrity of their service by fighting for purity in the award system, and exposing the heroism hitchhikers. When one bases the strength of his attacks on fellow vets and the current military on his military record, it be idiotic not to take a simple look at that record.

223 posted on 01/13/2006 4:17:25 PM PST by ansel12
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To: paltz
Considering all the future Purple Hearts he's causing for our troops, by cheering for our defeat--- he's fair game.
224 posted on 01/13/2006 4:18:28 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: OldEagle
I have never heard it called a "Combat V".

I believe that the term "with Combat V" was the term used to describe kerry's Silver Star. The Silver Star doesn't have "V" and "non-V" awards because it can only be awarded for actions in combat.

You can get one in combat without the "V".

I didn't know that. I thought all Bronze Stars awarded for combat actions had the "V" device and the non-combat ones didn't.

225 posted on 01/13/2006 4:18:49 PM PST by Bob
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To: Phantom Lord

If the man is a lier and gamed the system, by all means make him own up to it. Any way possible. He has power by corrupt means. That is not good for us.

226 posted on 01/13/2006 4:23:47 PM PST by BobS
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To: OldArmy52

"But that would not have made me a patriot even if I had gotten a purple heart for whatever."

I was a draftee and did my duty by answering the call. Murtha is determined to undermine our war effort in Iraq with no regard to the perilous consequences that our country will suffer as a result.

His citing his military record, as a measure of his patriotism, is nothing more than an attempt to deflect criticism.

He should be called to account for his record, and if he is what he says he is, his cooperation should be forthcoming.

227 posted on 01/13/2006 4:27:03 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: Bob

I have a bronze star that I received for "meritorious service".

The V device is for valor. You are corerect.

228 posted on 01/13/2006 4:30:03 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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To: El Gato

Hola El Gato,
Amen to that and I would like to see the medical reports veifying those alleged wounds.

When called on to verify the truth, not one democrat can meet the standard.

America's AQ the democrats, Osama's liberal supporters who want America to fall.

Got news for those MF(s) it ain't gonna happen on our watch.

Never To Quit,

229 posted on 01/13/2006 4:31:14 PM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: ansel12

Since some vets want to be cloaked by the rule of military disclosure about DD-214s and other orders, a swath of emptiness is all the sheep that vote for these people rely upon. Murtha has been one of those that slipped through like Kerry. No more.

230 posted on 01/13/2006 4:33:50 PM PST by BobS
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To: Taxman

Remember this?

Check out this thread.

231 posted on 01/13/2006 4:35:14 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: usmcobra; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

{{{{hugs}}} Tonk
Semper Fi, Cobra.

232 posted on 01/13/2006 4:39:30 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: bnelson44
"Trying to find fault in someone's war service is not honorable."

Agreed, unless that someone is waving his service and decorations as a flag to lend credence to a political cause, and there is reason to question the awards, as appears to be the case here.

If Col Murtha wanted to quash this, he could release the records.

As President Reagan said, "Trust, but verify".
233 posted on 01/13/2006 4:45:13 PM PST by M1911A1
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To: Numbers Guy

" It would be a murky examination anyway, and therefore he would get the benefit of the doubt (as he should)."

I never served, so I leave the question of right and wrong here to you guys who did.

But there is one point worth keeping in mind: the Left still controls the Mainstream Media. I thought the case against Kerry was about as open and shut as the case could possibly be. True, everyone wasn't against the guy. It's hard, but not impossible, to find a guy who everyone is against. But nearly everyone who served in his vicinity was against Kerry. Still, the case against Kerry was barely carried in public overall. In advance, we have to consider how the MSM spin would come in to play on this issue.

234 posted on 01/13/2006 4:46:13 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: M1911A1

Moran was confronted by a US Soldier and witnessed the Congressman as the worthless duff he is >

Cut and run. It’s the only way the Dems know. Download the video;

235 posted on 01/13/2006 4:57:22 PM PST by Broker (COD Phlyer)
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To: paltz


236 posted on 01/13/2006 4:58:39 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

No, it serves no purpose. The guy did way more than most Americans and now he's a lunatic. Why attack the patriot when you can attack the lunatic?

237 posted on 01/13/2006 5:01:26 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Why attack the patriot when you can attack the lunatic?i

What kind of lunatic are you???

238 posted on 01/13/2006 5:16:58 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: jwalsh07

You have obviously never served...probably you should not comment....

239 posted on 01/13/2006 5:20:44 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: jwalsh07

Of course it serves a purpose, it helps protect the nation from those that are telling us that our men and women in uniform should not be attacking terrorists where ever they find them.

And doing so prevents a repeat of the whole "Viet Nam" episode where our troops were savaged by the liberal pundits and politians for beating the Communists until they begged for peace.

The purpose here is to never let the left repeat Viet Nam on a whole new generation of our military.

What better purpose is there?

240 posted on 01/13/2006 5:23:09 PM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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