Skip to comments.Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz
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If he has nothing to hide sign the 180. Why should he be afraid of the truth unless he is a bonafide liar like kerry.
One should never have to ask for an award their heroism/actions should stand on it's own merit.
This individual may have been a Marine, but like Lucy, he's got some splainin to do.
His is a phoney like Kerry and just because of his rank and branch does not eliminate him from being a liar/fraud.
Sign the 180 fatboy your status as a marine does not impress me. The truth will stand by itself.
Saying What Needs To Be Said,
NSNR-Retired Army M.p. Corps
Please pull up this thread from breaking news and future threads related to this issue should be put in a garbage can somewhere. We do want FR to go hysteric about a very dumb move and attack the old man service regardless if it has issues with it. Murtha is causing immense damage to the democrats with his "cut and run" statements about Iraq and it is absolutely moronic to go after his service in Vietnam.
"It's none of their business."
If a person claims to be a former combat Marine and is running for public office then your combat military record should be a matter of record. And if you don't want it to be then you have no business riding on that record.
It's clear to me that Murtha "requesting" a PH is BS and his refusal to release his records is disconcerting to say the least that he is hiding something.
He doesnt like the war so lets attack his purple heart. Im not a fan of it and im no fan of that guy one bit.
Leave Murtha's military record alone. There's no justification for blowing the whole wad over something that happend decades ago. Murtha served his country in the military admirably. Focus on Murtha's work in Congress, starting with his voting record, and conflicting recent press and media statements.
"If he has nothing to hide sign the 180."
I couldn't agree more.
What is the experience of people on this board who were awarded Purple Hearts? Did the military inform you that you were getting one or did you have to beg, like Kerry and Murtha?
"'He's a phony and a liar' "
He's a damn traitor too!
OOPS! Look what the Republicans just stepped in and smeared all over the nice white rug...
That really surprises me but I suppose that it can happen. It must be the exception, though and not very common. (I'd especially expect to see one on a letter attesting to the awarding of medals.)
Murtha has become a media whore. He has shown that he will pimp himself for a few minutes on air.
My uncle's two purple hearts from Vietnam were sent along with his remains to my grandmother. It was no secret that politically motivated individuals from blue blood families could do a quick tour over there and then come right back to the States with a few medals in tow. At least during WWII the soldiers that wanted to leave were man enough to shoot themselves in the leg or arm instead of making up some BS about ricochets and shrapnel.
No! Murtha is making a GeeHaw out of himself currently so his record is a moot point. Duke Cunningham is a prefect example that records do not exonerate one from bad actions.
Your confusing your "enemies" with your constituency.
If a person is running for public office and claiming to be a combat Marine then his/her military service should be made public. I take offense to these so called "heroes" claiming medals and service that were not legit!
Just imagine if Kerry's military records had been made public thirty five years ago; chances are he wouldn't have been in office all these years!!!
"I think it's ridiculous that this is even an issue."
Well it's not "ridiculous" to those of us who legitimately received a PH. And it is outrageous that frauds like Kerry were given a PH for wounds received while NOT IN COMBAT!
have a good one!
If he's telling the truth he ends up being bolstered, if he's lying then he gets exposed for being a fraud as does the medal inflator.
agh...I didn't quite state that right...
it's not that the documents have no titles, it's the signatures on the documents have no titles.
and I agree...any document realated to an award should have a title with the signature.
PING! Seen this???
Murtha's wounds were allegedly to his face and the scars should be visible for all to see. Look closely at a picture of him...there are no scars.
No problem. I was sure that was what you were talking about.
Sounds like he was elected in a political vacuum and became popular enough to remain in office, his reputation growing with each campaign and the telling of his story.
Any disinterment is messy.
Distinguished Service Medal, Pennsylvania's highest honor, 1977.
Meritorious Service Medal, Pennsylvania's second-highest honor, 1976.
Since when are the DSM & MSM "Pennsylvania's highest military honors"?
I agree that he is suspect.
Murtha has sure told alot of different versions about what should be easy events to remember.If he has a conscience, he has to be a very tormented man.
Of all the ribbons and medals that any member of our military can earn, there are two that stand out above all the rest.
The Congressional Medal of Honor and the Purple Heart.
These two are rightly held in more esteem than all the rest because of what it takes to earn either of them, and just as those that have falsely claimed to have earned a Congressional Medal of Honor are vilified so also is it right to question those that may have earned a Purple Heart irregualarly or fictiously.
To do any less cheapens the awarding of the Purple Heart, it is this country's award for sacrifice, an award for painful wounds and loss of limbs and even death as a direct result of armed conflict with the enemies of our nation and it's freedoms, and should not be soiled by giving to those that cut themselves shaving or had rice enter their buttocks as a result of their own carelessness with hand grenades.
George Washington was very clear on who deserved this award , those wounded or killed in battle by the enemy and no one else, that's why due to the irregularity of Muthra's awards , they do deserve a second look.
If he is ashamed of them, then there is something about how he got them he doesn't want known.
And that is worth questioning....
Noooo, I think he said he would NOT enlist TODAY. Two totally different things.
Lyndon B. Johnson loved to wave his Silver Star around on the soapbox.
Some wag described his decoration as "The least deserved, but most appreciated medal ever awarded."
Believe he earned the star by flying as a passenger in a cargo plane in the Pacific theater, but sure he made up with rhetoric, as a US Rep at the time, in the citation what he lacked in valor.
Kerry, same thing. He made his service an issue, like Sheehan waved her brave son's bloody shirt. It's an issue because he opened the door, not his critics.
What the heck is a Congressman and Marine Corps retiree doing trying to discourage kids from enlisting in the Corps??? I know several Marines who think the man is a disgrace.
And all of that was 40 years ago.
As Yogi Berra once said....
.."this sounds like deja vu all over again"
I find it incredibly coincidental that Murfa and Kerry have Five Hearts between them with nary a visible limp, scar or other disability. Hmmmmmmmm.........
Leave Murtha's past alone, unless it was criminal or something. We dont need to go there to refute what he has to say TODAY.
Here we go again,
... same old shiite again,
... marchin' down the avenue,
... one more fake 'n then we're thru..........
I wonder how many Purple Heart recipients requested them? I would imagine very few.
Murtha and Kerry, two peas in a pod.
You know that I am one of your biggest freeper fans...
so, I have been really thinking about this..and my first instinct was to say, "NO..we don't want to go there"...'
then I saw your posts...and I thought, "why should WE be worried about these reports..,"
but, I think the only way this could be used at all...and not hurt the GOP..would be if he continues to say negative things about the military, re; do not join, etc.
Otherwise, we get caught up in the past...because he has a future that could find him in jail...he has possible bribery/fraud charges being brought against him...and there will already be sympathy, BUT if he uses his "veteran" status as an excuse NOT to be prosecuted...
There is the example of Duke Cunningham...AND this..that could be used...but, I think for now...we let him stink up his own room~
Actually, LBJ volunteered to be an observer on a bombing mission in the Pacific. His plane had some kind of mechanical problem and turned back. The other planes on the mission were bounced by Jap fighters and IIRC one of the other observers was injured or killed. His plane wasn't anywhere near the action. He deserves praise for volunteering for a combat mission but certainly not a Silver Star.
Yep, it looks like both Murtha and Kerry learned well from LBJ: Get the medal and write your own ticket to congress, just fake the documentation any way you can then hide behind the privacy of military records. Check it out:
DON'T DO THIS!!
I don't have a PH.
When a person arrived at his unit, he filled out some paperwork. One document was a release form that permitted the Army to publish, in your hometown newspaper, information pertaining to decorations or awards. The PH was probably not included - as some would consider a wound as sensitive and deserving of privacy. I'm not very sure anyway.
The best I recall is that a medic could put a person in for a PH, as well as the Battalion surgeon. The recipient would probably be made aware of this decision immediately.
Some may not realize that alot of these records are available in the National Archives.
A friend was looking up orders for a buddy of mine who had lost his citation for a Bronze Star with V device, and found a medical report about me for a non combat wound I received.
So it's likely that a medical report can be found in the Archives detailing the extent of Murtha's wounds.