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Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz

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To: kellynla

Afternoon K,
If he has nothing to hide sign the 180. Why should he be afraid of the truth unless he is a bonafide liar like kerry.

One should never have to ask for an award their heroism/actions should stand on it's own merit.

This individual may have been a Marine, but like Lucy, he's got some splainin to do.

His is a phoney like Kerry and just because of his rank and branch does not eliminate him from being a liar/fraud.

Sign the 180 fatboy your status as a marine does not impress me. The truth will stand by itself.

Saying What Needs To Be Said,
NSNR-Retired Army M.p. Corps


101 posted on 01/13/2006 1:07:13 PM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: paltz; Admin Moderator

Please pull up this thread from breaking news and future threads related to this issue should be put in a garbage can somewhere. We do want FR to go hysteric about a very dumb move and attack the old man service regardless if it has issues with it. Murtha is causing immense damage to the democrats with his "cut and run" statements about Iraq and it is absolutely moronic to go after his service in Vietnam.


102 posted on 01/13/2006 1:07:54 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Javelina

"It's none of their business."

Au contraire!
If a person claims to be a former combat Marine and is running for public office then your combat military record should be a matter of record. And if you don't want it to be then you have no business riding on that record.

It's clear to me that Murtha "requesting" a PH is BS and his refusal to release his records is disconcerting to say the least that he is hiding something.


103 posted on 01/13/2006 1:07:59 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: paltz

He doesnt like the war so lets attack his purple heart. Im not a fan of it and im no fan of that guy one bit.


104 posted on 01/13/2006 1:08:04 PM PST by smith288 (The older I get, the dumber I become as im wise enough to acknowledge how much more there is to know)
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To: paltz

Leave Murtha's military record alone. There's no justification for blowing the whole wad over something that happend decades ago. Murtha served his country in the military admirably. Focus on Murtha's work in Congress, starting with his voting record, and conflicting recent press and media statements.


105 posted on 01/13/2006 1:08:32 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

"If he has nothing to hide sign the 180."

I couldn't agree more.


107 posted on 01/13/2006 1:11:40 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: jjmcgo
What is the experience of people on this board who were awarded Purple Hearts? Did the military inform you that you were getting one or did you have to beg, like Kerry and Murtha?

I was wounded in April 1968. I honestly didn’t think of a Purple Heart – to many other things on my mind. I was first notified when it was presented to me sometime in late 1969 in Okinawa.
108 posted on 01/13/2006 1:11:42 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: paltz

"'He's a phony and a liar' "

He's a damn traitor too!


109 posted on 01/13/2006 1:12:28 PM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: RexBeach

OOPS! Look what the Republicans just stepped in and smeared all over the nice white rug...


110 posted on 01/13/2006 1:13:36 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: stylin19a
There are a few documents that have no title.

That really surprises me but I suppose that it can happen. It must be the exception, though and not very common. (I'd especially expect to see one on a letter attesting to the awarding of medals.)

111 posted on 01/13/2006 1:13:44 PM PST by Bob
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To: Lunatic Fringe
_____________________________________

"OK, Republicans, Just don't cry about
these tactics when you're back in the minority."
__________________________________________________

Since when did asking a question become a tactic?
Not asking because you are afraid of the repercussions
is a "tactic".

The pursuit of truth is transcendent over self-serving pragmatism. If you are a man.

Open your records Murtha, if we are wrong we will apologize.
112 posted on 01/13/2006 1:14:32 PM PST by the final gentleman
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Murtha has become a media whore. He has shown that he will pimp himself for a few minutes on air.


113 posted on 01/13/2006 1:14:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: kellynla

My uncle's two purple hearts from Vietnam were sent along with his remains to my grandmother. It was no secret that politically motivated individuals from blue blood families could do a quick tour over there and then come right back to the States with a few medals in tow. At least during WWII the soldiers that wanted to leave were man enough to shoot themselves in the leg or arm instead of making up some BS about ricochets and shrapnel.


114 posted on 01/13/2006 1:14:52 PM PST by willyd (No nation has ever taxed its citizens into prosperity)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


115 posted on 01/13/2006 1:15:41 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: paltz
Forget all this.
Just keep referrring to Murtha as an Ex-marine. (Caital E small m)

It's worse than casting aspersions on the legitimacy of his parents marriage.
116 posted on 01/13/2006 1:15:42 PM PST by stylin19a (God does not apply to your alloted time, the hours spent playing golf.)
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To: GSWarrior
Is this a wise place to go?

No! Murtha is making a GeeHaw out of himself currently so his record is a moot point. Duke Cunningham is a prefect example that records do not exonerate one from bad actions.

117 posted on 01/13/2006 1:16:49 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Javelina

Your confusing your "enemies" with your constituency.
If a person is running for public office and claiming to be a combat Marine then his/her military service should be made public. I take offense to these so called "heroes" claiming medals and service that were not legit!

Just imagine if Kerry's military records had been made public thirty five years ago; chances are he wouldn't have been in office all these years!!!


"I think it's ridiculous that this is even an issue."

Well it's not "ridiculous" to those of us who legitimately received a PH. And it is outrageous that frauds like Kerry were given a PH for wounds received while NOT IN COMBAT!

Chow time!
Gotta Go!

have a good one!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


118 posted on 01/13/2006 1:19:25 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: GunnyBob
Murtha should sign the SF180 and release his OQR. A sharp investigator; calling B.G. Burkett, could probably locate his service number and with that you wouldn't need his approval to get everything, except his medical records, with a FOIA request.

If he's telling the truth he ends up being bolstered, if he's lying then he gets exposed for being a fraud as does the medal inflator.

119 posted on 01/13/2006 1:20:06 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Bob

agh...I didn't quite state that right...
it's not that the documents have no titles, it's the signatures on the documents have no titles.

and I agree...any document realated to an award should have a title with the signature.


120 posted on 01/13/2006 1:20:38 PM PST by stylin19a (God does not apply to your alloted time, the hours spent playing golf.)
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To: jveritas
Sorry to disagree with you.

It appears that Murtha would not be a member of Congress if it were not for his military record.

This guy decided to speak out on this war (which I believe is just)and he should be subject to as much scrutiny as anyone else in a debate.

His comments were subversive, and helpful to our enemies.

I think that a lot of people do not realize the implications of calling this war illegal and/or immoral. That view implies that our Troops are involved in something that is contrary to their training concerning the Geneva Convention and other treaties.

Murtha's actual military record would help with a real determination of his credibility.
121 posted on 01/13/2006 1:24:16 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: Baynative

PING! Seen this???


122 posted on 01/13/2006 1:29:53 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Radix

Murtha's wounds were allegedly to his face and the scars should be visible for all to see. Look closely at a picture of him...there are no scars.


123 posted on 01/13/2006 1:31:04 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: stylin19a
agh...I didn't quite state that right... it's not that the documents have no titles, it's the signatures on the documents have no titles.

No problem. I was sure that was what you were talking about.

124 posted on 01/13/2006 1:31:13 PM PST by Bob
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To: paltz

Sounds like he was elected in a political vacuum and became popular enough to remain in office, his reputation growing with each campaign and the telling of his story.


126 posted on 01/13/2006 1:41:52 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: K-oneTexas

Any disinterment is messy.


127 posted on 01/13/2006 1:43:21 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Distinguished Service Medal, Pennsylvania's highest honor, 1977.

Meritorious Service Medal, Pennsylvania's second-highest honor, 1976.

Since when are the DSM & MSM "Pennsylvania's highest military honors"?


128 posted on 01/13/2006 1:48:26 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: kellynla

I agree that he is suspect.


129 posted on 01/13/2006 1:49:02 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrats would rather whine than win)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for the ping, brother.

Murtha has sure told alot of different versions about what should be easy events to remember.If he has a conscience, he has to be a very tormented man.

130 posted on 01/13/2006 1:50:13 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: kellynla

Of all the ribbons and medals that any member of our military can earn, there are two that stand out above all the rest.

The Congressional Medal of Honor and the Purple Heart.

These two are rightly held in more esteem than all the rest because of what it takes to earn either of them, and just as those that have falsely claimed to have earned a Congressional Medal of Honor are vilified so also is it right to question those that may have earned a Purple Heart irregualarly or fictiously.

To do any less cheapens the awarding of the Purple Heart, it is this country's award for sacrifice, an award for painful wounds and loss of limbs and even death as a direct result of armed conflict with the enemies of our nation and it's freedoms, and should not be soiled by giving to those that cut themselves shaving or had rice enter their buttocks as a result of their own carelessness with hand grenades.

George Washington was very clear on who deserved this award , those wounded or killed in battle by the enemy and no one else, that's why due to the irregularity of Muthra's awards , they do deserve a second look.

If he is ashamed of them, then there is something about how he got them he doesn't want known.

And that is worth questioning....


131 posted on 01/13/2006 1:58:57 PM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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To: colorado tanker
"I, for one, found Murtha's comment that if he had his career to do all over again today he would NOT enlist in the Marine Corps to be quite shocking."

Noooo, I think he said he would NOT enlist TODAY. Two totally different things.

132 posted on 01/13/2006 1:59:49 PM PST by jackibutterfly (.)
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To: Old Professer

Lyndon B. Johnson loved to wave his Silver Star around on the soapbox.
Some wag described his decoration as "The least deserved, but most appreciated medal ever awarded."
Believe he earned the star by flying as a passenger in a cargo plane in the Pacific theater, but sure he made up with rhetoric, as a US Rep at the time, in the citation what he lacked in valor.
Kerry, same thing. He made his service an issue, like Sheehan waved her brave son's bloody shirt. It's an issue because he opened the door, not his critics.


133 posted on 01/13/2006 2:04:18 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: jackibutterfly
That's what I said. And it is shocking. The man did 37 years in the Corps through war and peace and today he'd just flip the Corps the bird???

What the heck is a Congressman and Marine Corps retiree doing trying to discourage kids from enlisting in the Corps??? I know several Marines who think the man is a disgrace.

134 posted on 01/13/2006 2:07:23 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
murtha : Pay attention
You have been hanging around to long with cut and run hanoi kerry



Yep, I agree.
135 posted on 01/13/2006 2:09:51 PM PST by Gucho
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To: Wristpin
A picture may not be helpful.Any scarring may well be long gone.It appears that the PH's were awarded for facial "lacerations",he was treated and returned to duty probably immediately or in short order.There is apparently no record of hospitalization.

And all of that was 40 years ago.

136 posted on 01/13/2006 2:12:11 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

big bump.


137 posted on 01/13/2006 2:13:38 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy since 1992!)
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To: Bommer
Hmmm. Medals for being wounded and a democrat refuses to release his records...

As Yogi Berra once said....

.."this sounds like deja vu all over again"

138 posted on 01/13/2006 2:15:58 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: smoothsailing
He's got no conscious. No conscious at all. And now he's ending his pathetic career as a traitor to the military he wimped out on years ago.

Murtha's just another disgusting lying coward democrat.
139 posted on 01/13/2006 2:16:25 PM PST by demkicker
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To: smoothsailing

I find it incredibly coincidental that Murfa and Kerry have Five Hearts between them with nary a visible limp, scar or other disability. Hmmmmmmmm.........


140 posted on 01/13/2006 2:17:55 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: paltz
Lets NOT go there, because the fact is, there are probably thousands of honorable, good men who's PH or other medal could be called into question. I don't here Murtha talking about his heroism, he hasn't written a book about it, they aren't producing a little movie about it, ala JF'n Kerry. Kerry and his camp were BEGGIN to be debunked.

Leave Murtha's past alone, unless it was criminal or something. We dont need to go there to refute what he has to say TODAY.

141 posted on 01/13/2006 2:17:57 PM PST by Paradox (What "tax cuts for the rich". They are paying more taxes now than ever!)
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To: paltz

Here we go again,

... same old shiite again,

... marchin' down the avenue,

... one more fake 'n then we're thru..........

Sound off!

One-two!


142 posted on 01/13/2006 2:19:58 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: paltz

I wonder how many Purple Heart recipients requested them? I would imagine very few.


143 posted on 01/13/2006 2:22:13 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

BTTT


144 posted on 01/13/2006 2:24:43 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: paltz

Murtha and Kerry, two peas in a pod.


145 posted on 01/13/2006 2:25:21 PM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: kellynla

You know that I am one of your biggest freeper fans...

so, I have been really thinking about this..and my first instinct was to say, "NO..we don't want to go there"...'

then I saw your posts...and I thought, "why should WE be worried about these reports..,"

but, I think the only way this could be used at all...and not hurt the GOP..would be if he continues to say negative things about the military, re; do not join, etc.

Otherwise, we get caught up in the past...because he has a future that could find him in jail...he has possible bribery/fraud charges being brought against him...and there will already be sympathy, BUT if he uses his "veteran" status as an excuse NOT to be prosecuted...

There is the example of Duke Cunningham...AND this..that could be used...but, I think for now...we let him stink up his own room~


146 posted on 01/13/2006 2:27:40 PM PST by Txsleuth (Thank you to all that donated on the Freepathon...next time more monthlies!!)
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To: tumblindice

Actually, LBJ volunteered to be an observer on a bombing mission in the Pacific. His plane had some kind of mechanical problem and turned back. The other planes on the mission were bounced by Jap fighters and IIRC one of the other observers was injured or killed. His plane wasn't anywhere near the action. He deserves praise for volunteering for a combat mission but certainly not a Silver Star.


147 posted on 01/13/2006 2:28:43 PM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: tumblindice

Yep, it looks like both Murtha and Kerry learned well from LBJ: Get the medal and write your own ticket to congress, just fake the documentation any way you can then hide behind the privacy of military records. Check it out:

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/johnson.silver.star/story/storypage.html


148 posted on 01/13/2006 2:29:58 PM PST by poncho67
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To: GSWarrior
Don't DO THIS!! There is NO need. Murtha is a has-been politician.

DON'T DO THIS!!

149 posted on 01/13/2006 2:29:59 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: jjmcgo

I don't have a PH.

When a person arrived at his unit, he filled out some paperwork. One document was a release form that permitted the Army to publish, in your hometown newspaper, information pertaining to decorations or awards. The PH was probably not included - as some would consider a wound as sensitive and deserving of privacy. I'm not very sure anyway.

The best I recall is that a medic could put a person in for a PH, as well as the Battalion surgeon. The recipient would probably be made aware of this decision immediately.

Some may not realize that alot of these records are available in the National Archives.

A friend was looking up orders for a buddy of mine who had lost his citation for a Bronze Star with V device, and found a medical report about me for a non combat wound I received.
So it's likely that a medical report can be found in the Archives detailing the extent of Murtha's wounds.


150 posted on 01/13/2006 2:30:18 PM PST by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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