Skip to comments.Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz
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My friend was in the Marines in Vietnam and he says "ex-Marine" is the worst insult that one Marine can say to or about another one who has turned his back on the Corps.
Thank you. That is exactly what I think. Why on earth would he not release his military records? I just cannot understand that? Also, with Kerry? Just release the records. Everyone should be proud of their service.
I have no problem asking these types of questions, however, I must wonder if Murtha is even worth the time.
Not quite right. Johnson was commissioned a LtCdr, USNR, while serving as a Member of Congress. He was sent on a Congressional fact-finding tour of the Pacific and was called to active duty for that period. The team arranged to fly aboard a squadron of B-26 bombers on a bombing raid. On the morning of the raid, there was a mix-up about who was assigned to which aircraft. Johnson was shifted from one aircraft to another. The aircraft he rode on experienced a mechnical problem shortly after take-off, aborted the mission and returned to base. Never flew over enemy air space and was never fired at. The aircraft that he was orignally assigned to was shot down over the target area, all aboard were killed.
Johnson was awarded the Silver Star by GEN Douglas MacArthur who knew a thing or two about the important of kissing the a$$ of Congress. The orders were legit, but of course, Johnson never heard a shot fired in anger.
"His comments were subversive, and helpful to our enemies."
AND his comments were given credibility based on his purported war experinces and decorations!
He's fair game - especially in light of the exisitence of numerous phony, wannabe Vietnam veterans.
Well now I am very confused. He was in the Marine Reserve not the PA National Guard. The media portrayed his awards as THE MSM & DSM which are signed by the President, not the state awards. Something stinks here.
If Murtha ever runs for President, then sure it'd be relevant. But just because he's saying we should cut & run from Iraq? Nnnnnnah, it's not worth it to go there.
I owe you an apology and a thank you.
I've been pinged by you about the "move on freepers" to the point where I thought you were talking about me specically, but now I see from this thread that there exists a cadre of these Move On Freeper types dedicated to the strategy of silencing any republican or conservative critisms of anyone in the liberals or democrats that ever served in the military and is using that military experiance to say this war should end now.
They are worst then trolls, trolls are merely disruptive, this cadre seeks to prevent the same sort of challenge of any democrat that our leaders have to deal with almost daily in the press based upon their military service or lack there of.
As a former Marine, Muthra's conduct and remarks sickens me to the point where I have trouble opening these threads, I am so livid with rage at the way he has shat the very ideas taught to him as a Marine and by him as a Drill Instructor during the Korean Conflict.
And now to find out that he has admitted on the floor of the House to a fellow congressman and democrat that he never earned his Purple Hearts.
Well I just don't know what to say any more...
Except now He needs to prove he earned them.
Check the font.
Vietnam was a war in which the draft/lottery motivated involvement, not particularly patriotism.
I would have avoided Army service except for a low Lottery number towards the end of the Vietnam war. So, I entered the Reserves and managed to stay Stateside as things had winded down by then...otherwise I'd have likely served in Vietnam.
But that would not have made me a patriot even if I had gotten a purple heart for whatever.
Murtha, like Kerry, like any "veteran" needs to be judge on the here & now, not judged by whatever claims they make about a war that ended 30+ years ago.
Do you find it odd that a Colonel retiring after 37 years would a receive an EOT not from the Corps but a much lesser award from the Governor of his state?
Anyone who ever sat in a VFW Post or American Legion bar knows the whoppers being told about military service. It ain't bragging if you can prove you did it, so, prove it Jack Murtha.
Nope, never done in the Army for sure.
Signature block used on even the most routine of documents.
"Service record fraud points to a lack of character, honesty and morals, very important attributes in my books. It also dishonors those who earned those decorations the real way and cheapens those very honors, inexcusable!"
"There sure are a number of wusses on this thread that are scaredy-cats. Where does one stop when it comes to fraud, dishonesty for personal gain? No wonder we're in the shape that we are. "
Well said and worth repeating.
I think this approach will backfire. Best to deal with Murtha in the present, not the past.
Correct. Engage him on his ideas.
Quite. In my area, bums at stoplights with "Vietnam Vet, please help" are to be seen. Doesn't mean they automatically should hold high political office.
Sister's boyfriend was in Vietnam, got a purple heart and a VA disability....but still is a full blown Commie.
I'm not going to get in between two Democrats accusing each other of lying.
The man is using his "record" in the here and now, that is what makes it subject to checking and verification, in the here and now.
We all know there are plenty of fake veterans out there, and quite a few real veterans who have "puffed up" their accomplishments. JF'nK for example, along with many of the other peacenik veterans. IIRC Cindy Sheehan had one of those hanging around her. A cashiered Marine, who later became a homosexual porn star, IIRC.
That's what people said about John Kerry in the 2004 election. The reason I disagree about it backfiring, though it may (and with no disrespect to you, dirtboy) is because Murtha expects us to respect his "present" based on his "past" (as did Kerry). Therefore, it is all fair game.
Besides, if he is one of the people questioning others' ethics, then his should be open for scrutiny as well. I'll be interested to see where this goes (or doesn't).
think this approach will backfire. Best to deal with Murtha in the present, not the past.
Correct. Engage him on his ideas.
The only problem is we have 160,000 troops over in Iraq that Murfa has made every hour more dangerous for them. Then there is the message of weakness and division that Iran and our other enemies hear. Murfa's military service allows him to stake out the high moral ground and shriek his unamerican BS! If he misrepresented his service record he needs to be knocked off the hill.
"Fact is that politicians with war records tend to "improve" them as time goes on and memories fade. Many civil war veterans who mustered out as sergeants were promoted to Captain or major as time went by."
I don't believe that was the case with Bob Dole or the President's father.
I find it odd that a Colonel retiring after 37 years wasn't bumped up a grade.
One of my old CO's retired a general after a bird strike in a huey ended his career as a pilot. That sort of courtesy bump in grade is not uncommon, especially if you are a "political" as Muthra is or was.
He went there , no one else is responsible for these questions but HIM.
In the Air Force it's called a tombstone promotion. One of my old bosses got one.
It's amazing how many Repubs including Freepers want to sweep a DemonRAT's lies and attempts to paint himself as some sort of war hero under the carpet and fail to hold them accountable for their lies & distortions. War heroes generally do not have to talk up their own valor, unlike Murtha and Kerry. Neither one of the them qualified for their medals and I wish that Repubs would make a big stink out their lies, the way that the DimWits would do. Certainly the left-wing partisan media would never hold the DimWits accountable. It is sad to see Repubs who fail to challenge and make an issue of the fact that DimWits will use any means (including bald face lies over their service records) to get elected. Once they're in, then they play the part of wounded loyal Americans who are having their valor & patriotism questioned. It needs to be questioned if they're lying about it. You can bet the left-wing media searched every dotted i and crossed t of President Bush's record trying to find something, anything to take him down.
When I was discharged, I was instructed to record my DD214 with the County Clerk in my home county.
It is recorded there and anyone can get a copy of it just by asking. It is a public record.
You must also provide it to the Social Security when you retire.
Another Purple Heart wound didn't break the skin?
"Is this a wise place to go?"
These "war heroes" put their "combat service" out in front and rode that reputation into Congress for decades.
Any Marine worth his salt would be proud to have the world see their war record. I AM!
If he was a Marine Rustiest all those years, how can he be getting official military awards from Pennsylvania. If he had been Army or Air National Guard, yeh, they have some state level awards, but AFAIK, the states don't give Awards and Decs to reservists. It's only fairly recently that some states give preferential tuition and such to reservists as opposed to guardsmen from their own states. I was a reservist in a state that only gave them to guardsmen, of course that was in the dark ages, but it's also when Murtha would have been serving in the reserves a few years after his Vietnam tour.
But then again, neither is falsifying the record of that service.
I'm honestly not a fan of calling someone's military service into question, unless it is John Kerry of course ;)
IIRC, His rank was mostly received after he was a national level politician. Doesn't mean much.
After meeting with Code Pinko it should be.
"but now I see from this thread that there exists a cadre of these Move On Freeper types"
Look for the ones who attack me, instead of hanoi kerry,
like I really care what these hypocrites think. LOL
They hate that I'm a lifelong Independent Voter
and an outspoken Viet Nam Vet.
Look for the ones who condone a traitor in the US Senate
and never back any movement to uphold the law of the land.
... you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn't earn your purple hearts (sic) (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn't even directly related to an APC [Armored Personnel Carrier] that ran over a small antipersonnel mine that was behind you).
sounds like he still took a lot more of a beating than Hanoi John.
Murtha apparently is one of those politicians who believes that after so long he becomes invisible and unquestionable. I find a number of things curious about his story.
He claims that he had been awake for over twenty-four hours as if it was unusual. In a war zone twenty-four hours is nothing.
He says he has a Bronze Star with the "Combat V". Is this something new? I thought the V stood for something else.
He claims two Purple Hearts and describes different injuries each time he refers to them.
And last he will not release his records.
BS Alert is ON!!!
This looks like something Democrats would do. Not good.
Should contest with Murtha in current times, not decades ago.
Democrats are hanging their hats on his war hero status. Considering what happened to Kerry would they repeat the same strategy of hiding his records? I think the jury is still out on this. Perhaps the truth should be known one way or the other.
Certainly a frustrating aspect of the Republican party is that they are always trying to good sports and get their hats handed to them by the vulgar Demoncants. Let's be clear I don't want Republicans to look like the Bill Presses, Kennedys or Paul Begalas of the world, but there isn't anything wrong with playing hardball.
If Murtha is the hero they claim, his backbone will stand up to the can of worms he opened.
Have you seen the paperwork? Or at least the checks?
That is because neither one of you were there or have ever been shot at in combat....
Is this a wise place to go?
No, the 1st words out of any dems mouth will be that Murtha is being attacked akin to what the Swifties did to Kerry.
Not that what the Swifties did to Kerry was wrong but just that what the dems are going to say.
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