Skip to comments.Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz
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ding .... now you get it......padding the old resume... saw it with some Marines in order to get stamped as having commanded a "rifle company" rotate around the company commanders position so they can get the bump to Pentagon ... the Marines are a small outfit, so it's real hard to "fake" stuff..or pad your service record. Everybody knows everybody else's sh#t... It's really like a big dysfunctional family that just loves to kick ass and take names. They don't like anybody making fun of them or their "kin" or the games they play...or the way they play them.
I'll take a bet...$20 that neither one of his Purple Hearts or "V" for valor..er "V for Combat" is worth it's weight in whale sh#t.
I've met Marine officers who are flaming libs but mostly the officers I've been privileged to meet are gentleman, courteous, competitive, honorable, but would be able to field strip an M-1, M-14, M-16 or .45, feed his men before he ate, and be able to find, engage and destroy any enemy of our country....
and THAT'S why I more than want to bust Murtha's a$$.... there are great men who've worn and died with that little old Globe and Anchor, that this turd is dishonoring. He's just like that old fart in Florida who deserted 30 years ago..... an f'ing coward and disgrace to the Corp and the men who've served.
as for the FReepers that "don't want to go there".... don't worry, you won't have to.... just step aside and let somebody else do the heavy lifting. If it turns out he's actually blind from a beer tab injury or got crotch rot or the clap from some mama-san then I guess maybe he can throw his ribbons in the same body of water that Kerry did.....what a bunch of posers.
There should be some cartoons done with purple heart bandaids on Murtha's face. No Republican should mention it and should denounce anyone who points it out - just for the record. : )
Just hold your tongue.
The past, is the past. But it never hurts to make him believe he simply went one step too far and put his hero status in question. Scare the guy and see what kinds of blubbering start pouring out. Might surprise everyone. Might spill his guts.
Yes.....now regarding his plan to re-invade Iraq if things go badly: what is his estimate of how many casualties we would take in a re-invasion??????
When a person bases something of value (career, marriage, etc) on a lie, then everything that comes to him is pretty much worthless. We know what we need to know. He can't be trusted.
I disagree ---
The Democrats have foisted Murtha and his "heroic past" in out faces as his "blood earned right" to criticize the war and the President......
How many times have you heard that Murtha was a "hero" and deserved respect....at the SAME time as he is behaving like a traitor and under suspicion by the ethics committee?
Shades of the phony, lying, Kerry --- and his charges against our warriors.....
Just like Kerry -- Murtha can end the questioning by simply releasing his DD214 with Medical Records...
That is the ONLY way to end the questioning.....
Please note that Kerry has still failed to fully release his records, too.....
Another point -- Murtha, like Kerry -- ran on his military record..... He made a freaking career of his "military service", his sacrifice recognized by his TWO Purple Hearts........
I don't think it's asking much of a "civil servant" who has sucked at the public tit all these DECADES to prove his primary running claim.....
Murtha, his record, his behavior, his statements and his whole "being" is beginning to smell VERY bad....
An interesting pattern, if it's true.
Your judgement here is flawed and more to the point having served is not a requirement for offering an opinion on those who have or haven't.
And now I'll explain why your judgement is flawed. Murtha has stuck his ample foot in his ample mouth more times than is necessary to cast doubt on his opinion. When he advises young men and women not to serve their country while we are engaging islamofascists worldwide he wins no points. When young soldiers stand up and tell him that to his face he loses points and credibility as he should. So Murtha should be attacked but not for what he did 37 years ago but for the lunacy he is offering today for two reasons. The first is that attacking his record engenders sympathy for an old Marine that he would not otherwise get from various folks in this country. And the second is because it has no bearing on todays debate though it might go to his credibility.
So my judgement is to attack his words and leave his DD-214 in the closet.
And one other thing, I never did like officers. :-}
PS: usmcobra, only the analysis applies to you. I understand where you're coming from and the analogy to politicans during Vietnam is right on target. People should be reminded of that on a daily basis.
"V" Device Authorized for acts or service involving direct participation in combat operations
murtha + code pink = traitors
Wonder which so called "FReepers" think that the GOP pulling the "white flag ad" was a good thing because
they want to be "PC" but
don't give a damm about our troops,
overseas and at home.
But he's not being attacked for what he *did* all those years ago, but rather for distorting it now. Big difference.
I plan to forward this information to all my liberal associates. Thank you!
Source for that? I hadn't heard...????
"Actually he quietly released it to a couple of friendly reporters at the Boston Globe and had a "military expert" go through it for them....I imagine Murtha would do the similar thing if pushed."
348 days ago,
Hanoi Kerry promised, on national TV,
to sign form SF-180 AND release his full military records
to the public.
He has yet to do so.
President Bush signed his Form 180 in 2004.
Kerry Hangs Back From Disclosure to All
The NY Sun June 9, 2005 Josh Gerstein
Did Kerry really release Navy records?
Chicagao Sun Times June 9, 2005 THOMAS H. LIPSCOMB
EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!
MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!
And the vile stench of sappers is beginning to get rather strong around here...
Thanks for the ping!
Why? Murtha has very noisily and visibly played up his war experiences from 37 years ago in a cynical attempt to gain moral advantage over those he disagrees with. Thus, he has put his military service in play.
I say, fire for effect on his fraudulent heroism.
Right on Marine---just say any 'honest serviceman' would be proud to show his records---my 5 years during WW2 and after don't show me as any hero and I never claimed to be--just because I served at Normandy on 6/6/44, and for some time thereafter, with a Flotilla of 60 US Coast Guard cutters (wood hulled and carrying 2000 gal of gas for fuel)certainly doesn't give me bragging rights to set myself up a any type of 'war hero'--fact that that CG Rescue Flotilla 1 saved 1438 men and 1 woman during the landings time does prove we were worth the effort---Murtha is just like many phoney's who may have been in service but blow it up for their own profit later on---hell, I cut my leg on the engine room ladder during enemy action but never even thought of asking for a medal--then again, I am not a slimey "demonrat" lookin for my 15 minutes of glory by bashing our President and spitting on the men and women in harms way---can't say in polite society what I really think of his kind other than 'traitor' and 'scum of the earth' (then, that is really a true Rat designation after all)
Murtha is out of the Tip O'Neill school of political hacks whose ambition exceeds their record or ability. LBJ received a fraudulent Silver Star to advance his political career.
Murtha is coming out now because he may be subject to an ethics investigation dealing with his ties with his brothers lobbying firm, KSA. He can now claim that he is a target of any possible investigation because of his anti-war views.
The sources for this story set off some alarm bells. Fox and Bailey were both defeated by Murtha in congressional elections. Sour grapes? I think some impartial witnesses are needed.
Thank You for your service to our country
This is what Bush called "the politics of personal destruction" I call it character assasination.
The unfortuneate part is that character assasination is the only thing the democrats know how to do. I say we must retaliate in kind. I don't like it because most people are doing good things 99% of the time and to focus on the other 1%, well, it can get ugly, especially since none of us are saints and even if we were, most things can be spun to look ugly.
but the democrats want a no holds barred knife fight, so we have to do the same.
Bob Dole and Bush 41. Over their political careers, you would barely know they had even served in the military.
Eyes were flashing, the kid was mad, Murtha couldn't look him in the eye.
Exactly........Murtha is really a non factor. Going after his military records can do no good.
Now, I'd still like to see Kerry's, but that is a different thread..........
Thanks. I figured I was going to get hamered on my opinion.
You know........that's a good point. If he goes on TV and attacks the President, then he's fair game.
The Repubs don't use these tactics though........nastiness and downright lying.
Interesting article! Thanks for posting it, and ignore the critics.
It may not be a wise place to go, publicly, but it is interesting how this tactic of building up a phony military record is used by anti-war liberals like Kerry, and now possibly Murtha, to perpetuate "heroic" lies about themselves.
It really isn't necessary for the Pubs to do anything. Let the MSM and/or internet bloggers get hold of this and run with it. The attacks made on Murtha were by fellow Dem Vets or lawmakers, not Pubs. We've got nothing to lose and everything to gain by just sitting back and let this info about Murtha percolate out there. It's a freebie for the Pubs.
"Best to deal with Murtha in the present, not the past."
Good point. Even Mark Steyn has said he doesn't care
what Murtha did in the last war, but what he's done
in THIS one.
Let Murtha rest in his own hell, if he deserves it.
Let's take him on NOW.
I agree. Not a smart move to be perceived as "attacking" a veteran.
Anyone with combat experience knows that Military Intel. officers are in the rear with the gear. His claim that he was in the bush most of the time is B.S. I'm a 29 year SF vet, been there.
Absolutely great find!!
Focus on Mutha's Congressional record and find out just how much of a "Hawk" he really is.
My guess is..... Not much.
Excellent post FRiend. My two cents....not all military personnel are heroes...regardless of awards, medals or citations. I don't care if Murtha was a Marine or not, a liar is a liar and Murtha sold his soul for politics long ago....
Thank you for serving our country.
"Tombstone" promotions ended a while back.
MURTHA: VAST MAJORITY OF U.S. TROOPS WILL BE OUT OF IRAQ BY END OF YEAR
Fri Jan 13 2006 17:14:15 ET
Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) believes the vast majority of U.S. troops in Iraq will be out by the end of the year and maybe even sooner. In his boldest words yet on the subject, the outspoken critic of the war predicts the withdrawal and tells Mike Wallace why he thinks the Bush administration will do it. The interview, a portion of which will appear on tonight's (13) CBS EVENING NEWS, will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday Jan. 15 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
"I think the vast majority will be out by the end of the year and I'm hopeful it will be sooner than that," Murtha tells Wallace, in the 60 MINUTES interview.
Exactly what I mean. I can't imagine why he is saying some of this at all.
If he constantly put his service out as legitimizing his right to say these things, then I believe Marines and vets have right to investigate the truthfulness of his claims.
I always leave it up to people who who served to critique.
I honor his service but do not respect his demoralizing our troops or cavorting with Code Pink. His service, no matter whether he "padded" his part or not, does not justify what he has said recently.
He hurt our troops so I hold him accountable.
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