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To: fox0566; archy; GarySpFc
"It's not okay to ever lie about anything, but I guess I just don't think that it serves much of a purpose to bring something up this many years after it happened."

Murtha reminds me of an O-6 Group Commander I served under in Vietnam. I will not mention his name or unit as one should not speak ill of the dead, but having known this Colonel gives me some insight into what kind of officer Murtha probably was in Vietnam. A few years ago, when I received word my Colonel’s passing, I tried to think of something good to say about him, but I could think of nothing. There must have been something good he did during his year tour in Vietnam, but all I could remember was how he had used his position to scam medals and further his own career; much like what Murtha appears to have done.

My Colonel, like Murtha, commanded from an air-conditioned office in one of Vietnam's beach resort cities. The units that he commanded were scattered throughout the country "From the Delta to the DMZ" so to speak, but when one of his units did battle with the enemy, he would wait until the battle was over and the area had been secured, and then he would swoop in on his personal helicopter full of reporters, journalists, and personal assistants to claim credit for the unit's success in battle. He would pose for photos with the journalists while his personal assistants gathered information to include in the awards for valor that the Colonel would claim for his leadership under fire, and his assistants would dutifully record his helicopter visits as combat assaults that would authorize Air Medals for themselves and for the Colonel. The Colonel's worthless Sergeant Major would reprimand the unit's NCOs for having a very messy battlefield and order them to hold a "police call" post haste, and then they would all load back up on their helicopter and fly back to their beach resort headquarters.

The good Colonel quickly amassed a chest full of medals doing this, but he was missing a Purple Heart for wounds received in combat, so this is what he did: A boil had developed from an ingrown hair on the Colonel’s leg right at the boot top. The Colonel went to the dispensary had the boil lanced and ordered the medic to fill out the form authorizing a Purple Heart. Such news travels fast, and within thirty days of this incident, every soldier in the Colonel’s command throughout the country knew what the Colonel had done to receive a Purple Heart.

An officer cannot do such things as this Colonel did without the troops knowing about it, and when they find out, they lose any respect that they may have for him. Any man who will lie, cheat, and steal medals as this Colonel, John Kerry, and Murtha apparently did will not hesitate to lie, cheat, and steal in any other situation that arises. Murtha’s medals and his ABSCAM connection are more than likely only the tip of the iceberg in his life time record of dishonesty. Murtha’s current lapses of integrity are not a recent event; they are indications of a possible lifetime of duplicity and questionable integrity.

456 posted on 01/15/2006 8:31:20 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DJ Taylor
The Colonel's worthless Sergeant Major would reprimand the unit's NCOs for having a very messy battlefield and order them to hold a "police call" post haste, and then they would all load back up on their helicopter and fly back to their beach resort headquarters.

Sad to say these clowns are still around. In a couple os Squadrons I was the only SNCO in the unit that has been on the front line and I would have listening to herotic adventures of REMF e-9s. he only thing they had going for them is the art of B.S., no substance...Sitting their and listining to these Sgt York want-to-bes would piss me off like you wouldn't believe.


471 posted on 01/15/2006 9:25:35 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: DJ Taylor
The Colonel's worthless Sergeant Major would reprimand the unit's NCOs for having a very messy battlefield and order them to hold a "police call" post haste, and then they would all load back up on their helicopter and fly back to their beach resort headquarters.

I just came back from church, and after all these years I got pissed off again after reading your post.
476 posted on 01/15/2006 9:44:14 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: DJ Taylor
..You nailed it DJ.
481 posted on 01/15/2006 10:10:25 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: DJ Taylor

>>>>likely only the tip of the iceberg

Bump bump

Murtha's support of Wilson's war while on the Defense Appropriations subcommittee created the funding that flowed RIGHT TO Sheik Rahman's cell and flowed right back to our WTC '93.

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489 posted on 01/15/2006 10:45:44 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: DJ Taylor
There must have been something good he did during his year tour in Vietnam, but all I could remember was how he had used his position to scam medals and further his own career; much like what Murtha appears to have done.

I was in the Army for only two years and not in combat but I could sure tell the difference between the real leaders and those working the system. For instance, we all knew a certain officer had never seen any real combat but had received a bronze star during Desert Storm through having the right connections. And he was a terrible officer.

Whenever one of the "sham" leaders would make an innocuous request of me I would remark "I'm on my way with the speed of lightning" and casually stroll over to complete the request. But when a real "squared away" leader would ask anything, no matter how small, I would theatrically hurry to fulfill his every need, asking if there were anything else I could do, remarking how "it was a pleasure" when they thanked me. (The good leaders always thank you.)

I made my point and stayed within military protocol. (Of course, during important military operations I acted with alactrity in all matters no matter who asked!)

Frankly, in Murtha's case I agree with those who say that since he makes a big deal of his record and uses it for political gain and as an "expert witness" then he's the one who made it necessary to check out his record. Let's investigate and demand records till the cows come home...as long as he loudly uses his wartime service status to claim superior knowledge over others.

I also agree with those who say don't disparage anyone's record. Trust but verify. Don't disparage, either, just let the facts be known...since Murtha makes a big deal of it. If he didn't then it would be bad manners to ask.

In Kerry's case, it's pretty obvious that he acted against the country while in the Naval Reserves and should be removed from the Senate. But why didn't that happen years ago? Still, even if unsuccessful the facts should be known and it should be on record that we tried. If anything, Kerry getting away with it for so long kind of shows how most people won't question anyones record except in the most extreme circumstances.
563 posted on 01/17/2006 4:05:54 PM PST by \/\/ayne (Give me Liberty or give me the ACLU)
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