Posted on 01/14/2006 2:02:48 PM PST by FairOpinion
Voters will decide in June whether they want to tax California's richest residents to send the state's 4-year-olds to preschool.
Secretary of State Bruce McPherson has certified the "Preschool for All'' initiative, declaring that its backers, led by actor-director Rob Reiner, had collected more than the 598,105 valid signatures needed to place the measure on the June 6 ballot.
The voluntary program would offer a full year of preschool to all California 4-year-olds, provided mostly by local school districts.
The initiative would boost the top tax rate by 1.7 percent on individuals earning more than $400,000 annually or married couples earning $800,000. That will raise $2.4 billion a year by 2010-11, when the measure would take full effect.
The prospect of a tax increase already has spurred opposition to the initiative.
"There are horrible flaws in this measure, both on the revenue and expenditure sides, said Jon Coupal, president of the anti-tax Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. "It would make public preschool available to those who could afford existing private preschools, rather than target efforts to the low and lower-middle class.''
Coupal and other opponents also worry that the measure could put private preschools out of business and leave the state in charge of all early childhood education.
"This would transfer the entire preschool industry to the same behemoth that's failed us in the K-12 schools,'' he said.
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Remember how the income tax started, collect 1% from the riches people, of which there were a few thousand. And look who is paying income taxes now.
Taxes in general are bad. Taxes to enlarge the scope of the already failed Public School monopoly are even worse.
Good ol' class envy, alive and well in the PRC.
---Coupal and other opponents also worry that the measure could put private preschools out of business and leave the state in charge of all early childhood education.
"This would transfer the entire preschool industry to the same behemoth that's failed us in the K-12 schools,'' he said.---
Public education has become the main powerbase of the Dims. It's no accident that it's become the number one item in the state budget.
Sorry, but 4-year olds have better things to do than go to school all day.
You can't beat the weather. One puts up with a lot for that. It's also a fun place to live, things have to get pretty bad, before people will move elsewhere.
Perverted women teachers have even younger students to date
GMTA! :)
I post posting basically the same thing in my post 9, while you were posting your post.
California is a great place, if we could just get some conservative government here.
Ain't gonna happen.
Screwed up my post, my fingers were typing on their own and I only read it after I posted it, but you know what I meant.
On Friday Bill Handel of KFI radio investigated some advertisements that claim that pre school children are less apt to become criminals.
Turns out that there's no link.
Somebody is trying to get the public thinking that preschools will curb crime.
Well, the voters in CA approved Prop. 98, which mandates huge spending on public schools and defeated the recent reform prop. 76, which was going to de-fang prop. 98, so in all likelihood, they will probably approve this one, after all, "it only taxes the rich" and "it's for the children".
I know of three wealthy Californians who have moved elsewhere due to the lunacy, two to Nevada, one to Florida. Can't beat the weather though.
---Can't beat the weather though.---
California is vastly overrated, including the weather. I'll take the intense Spring in northern Montana any day.
As soon as you hear someone state the above or state "we need to do what's best for the children", chances are whoever said that has run out of facts, logic and reasoning, and is now appealing to emotion.
Well, have you ever lived in CA?
They are claiming that preschool will cure everything from high crime rates to moral stupidity.. And don't confuse them with the fact that there is absolutely no proof that sending a child to preschool does anything more than to give mama a break during the day. This is a standard socialist indoctrination tool. Get to the kiddies while they're young. Remember Hitler Youth or the Great Leap Forward from China?
It boils down to two things:
1) Kids relocating, out of state, so they can afford to buy houses.
2) Finances - We sell our house, which has tripled in value, buy a house with 2/3 of the profits, and put the balance into retirement. That allows us to retire 3 years earlier then planned.
Most rich Californians also maintain homes outside of California. As long as they spend 3 months total every year vacationing elsewhere they pay no California income taxes. State income taxes are for working stiffs.
San Jose, Santa Cruz, San Francisco most of my life. I'll deal with the weather up here to be free, though.
Ain't that the truth. 4 year olds in school. Why don't they just cut the parent out all the way and start having math in the womb--101.
Honestly, can we please start a California conservative bread-a-thon? Seriously, just bread the liberalism out of the state.
I'd kill to move back to California. But I look at the way that state is going, and I'm thinking elsewhere sounds nice, too.
I miss the oceans, the mountains, the desert, the weather. But with all the nonsense along the border and in LA and SF, bah! So many tradeoffs.
Honestly, can we please start a California conservative bread-a-thon? Seriously, just breed the liberalism out of the state.
I'd kill to move back to California. But I look at the way that state is going, and I'm thinking elsewhere sounds nice, too.
I miss the oceans, the mountains, the desert, the weather. But with all the nonsense along the border and in LA and SF, bah! So many tradeoffs.
The weather is something you have to deal with every day.
Many people, once they get used to the CA climate, have trouble adjusting to other climates.
I know people who moved for various reasons and they all miss the CA weather.
I am glad you adjusted well.
I've been seeing ads on tv for the last year or so pushing preschool. I believe that these ads are being run by the group that is receiving taxpayer money (smoker's tax) from Reiner's other proposition that passed a few years ago.
>> Sorry, but 4-year olds have better things to do than go to school all day.<<
Amen!!!!!!!!
Do you think they'll give vouchers to those who choose to send their kids to Christian preschool? </sarcasm>
I'm still here, but some days I'm shocked that anyone who works for a living still lives voluntarily in California. I'm trying to talk my fellow into leaving, but he likes the weather (he's only partially sighted, and public transportation in the winter is a literal pain in places like Kansas City).
One of the problems, as I see it, once you acknowledge that taxes are theft, is that the current system taxes the living h*ll out of people who work for a living (specifically as employees) but gives massive breaks to those who live off trust funds; and it also gives handouts to people who don't work and don't pay taxes, yet who can vote on receiving handouts taken from other people's money.
Apart from the theft aspect, the taxation system creates weird incentives for people...
Thanks for the details. I suspect that this was part of Reiner's plan all along when the first proposition was passed. Bootstraping his agenda with taxpayer funds.
"Honestly, can we please start a California conservative bread-a-thon? Seriously, just breed the liberalism out of the state. "
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You are right, conservatives should be flocking to CA, so we could outnumber the liberals and turn it into the Golden State it was and deserves to be again. Unfortunately, insead of that, conservatives are fleeing, leaving the state to the liberals who are destroying it.
Whole wheat or rye?
Don't be so sure. They passed a ballot measure like that here in Fla., and it got about 80% of the vote, if memory serves me. It wasn't even close, and this state is full of elderly voters who don't even have kids.
Having lived in San Jose,Ca. for 12 years,the state and the weather is over overrated.I live in the south eastern part of Pa. we get the four seasons all of which are mild.Love it here !!
Most preschool programs run from 9-12 in the morning, they are not all day programs.
My 4 years old goes to preschool 3 mornings a week and he LOVES IT. We pay dearly for it too...$270. a month.
He is an only child, so, it is really good for him to be around children his own age, plus, he will be reading before he goes to kindergarten.
Studies have shown that kids who go to preschool perform better when go to kindergarten, saying that, though, I do not feel that we should tax the wealthy create this program.
"San Jose, Santa Cruz, San Francisco most of my life"
Having spent most of your live in the sewage treatment facility of California you have no idea of what California is like.
As a 5th generation So. Calif. and my wife a 6th generation So. Calif. we aren't going anywhere.
Having spent an eternity in San Jose (2 semesters @ SJS)
I can guarantee that the weather in So. Cal is 10x better than N. Cal
Yes, indeed. Although we could get a jumpstart on improving the conservative ratio if we just deported all the illegals and children of illegals.
Not that they vote, but they certainly consume more of the state's budget than citizens, and their "needs" influence the voting. Take away those needs and the state would probably save 20% of its budget. A lot of the proposed new spending would be unnecessary, and the state wouldn't need to borrow to accomplish the rest. And public preschool wouldn't even be under discussion.
Haha! If you'll notice, I caught it on the second post. But still managed to leave one incorrect.
Busted.
But now that you mention it, whole wheat is lower GI than rye, so we'll go for what. ;)
No thanks...I have no desire to homeschool. My son goes to a CHRISTIAN preschool and I couldn't be happier.
Not everyone has the temperment to homeschool. I know my limitations. I know that my son would NOT be happy staying home with me all day while all his friends were at school. Give the kid a break! I know my limitations. Besides, I know many fine people who went to public school.
Get outta here! Is that how the Hollywood Liberal elite do their business? No wonder.
Preschool (day care) isn't unionized.
It currently has an internal market (families do it), or is done privately.
This measure is an attempt to unionized the industry.
It will bring in more cash to Dems (through union dues).
And - it represents a subsidy (wealth transfer) to those who should have waited to start a family until getting sufficient income/education. But who cares about those of us who have done so - and who will pay for others' negligence. Big deal, what are YOU lookin at, etc.
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