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Italian gays and women protest against Vatican (Feminist/Homosexual Alert!)
Yahoo News ^ | January 14, 2006 | Rachel Sanderson and Roberto Bonzio

Posted on 01/14/2006 2:26:31 PM PST by NYer

Tens of thousands of Italians protested on Saturday demanding legal recognition for gay unions and the right to abortion, two days after Pope Benedict condemned homosexual marriage and the use of the abortion pill.

Clutching banners reading "We will no longer be silenced," the demonstrators, many women and gay couples, crammed into squares in Rome and financial capital Milan.

"We thought the church had withdrawn from interfering in Italian politics ... but instead there is a terrible resurgence. These are ugly signs for freedom of expression," Nobel literature laureate Dario Fo, a social campaigner, told reporters at the Milan protest.

Police said 50,000 people were gathered in the northern city's Piazza del Duomo overlooked by its giant Gothic cathedral. Organizers put the number at 100,000.

At the Rome demonstration, gay couples and a man in a strapless white wedding dress posed with Pope Benedict's picture.

Italy goes to the polls on April 9 and the Church's position on a host of issues could play a significant role in the result.

Gay unions are already legal in several European countries, including traditionally Catholic Spain. In Italy, the Vatican and many politicians are fighting the mere suggestion.

Pope Benedict in an address on Thursday said the defense of traditional marriage was "not a peculiarity of the Catholic moral teaching but part of an elementary truth regarding our common humanity."

He said it would be "a grave mistake" to legally recognize "other forms of unions."

Ministers from Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's center-right coalition on Saturday ratcheted up the Vatican's condemnation.

"These protests have absolutely sickened me," Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli, a member of the populist, right-wing Northern League party said.

"These filthy things have made absurd claims for privileges on the basis of unproductive sex .... These are out of place and revolting."

Culture Minister Rocco Buttiglione said Italy's responsibility was to protect young heterosexual couples to allow them to have children, not to look after gay couples.

"Without children, Italy will die," Buttiglione said.

The election will pit former European Commission President Romano Prodi's center-left group, "The Union," against Berlusconi's ruling center-right.

Italy's Catholic Church has already served notice to the center-left that it will fight any move to recognize civil partnership for unwed heterosexual couples and gay couples.

Prodi has promised some form of recognition for unmarried couples but has stopped short of supporting gay marriage. His refusal to take part in Saturday's protests has caused a rift with some of the smaller left-wing coalition parties.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; antinomians; benedictxvi; gayunions; homosexual; homosexualagenda; italy; milan; moralabsolutes; pope; rome; vatican

AP - Sat Jan 14, 11:37 AM ET

A gay couple embrace during a gay march through Rome Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006, to push for legal recognition for homosexual couples.The Vatican and ministers in Premier Silvio Berlusconi's conservative government were scathing in denouncing the rally. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)

1 posted on 01/14/2006 2:26:34 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer; Coleus

When I was in Rome, I saw many Friends of Dorothy. Many of the (wealthy or bohemian) Italian emigres in Manhattan hit for the other team as well.


2 posted on 01/14/2006 2:28:07 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


3 posted on 01/14/2006 2:28:15 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Why even bother mentioning anything from this power house of a nation.


4 posted on 01/14/2006 2:30:07 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Clemenza

All the right people oppose the Holy Father.

It's encouraging.


5 posted on 01/14/2006 2:31:04 PM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
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To: NYer
"Talketh to the hand, freakazoids!" sayeth Pope Benny.

6 posted on 01/14/2006 2:33:08 PM PST by TheBigB (I long to meet that special female...one to whom I can say those three magic words....."are you 18?")
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
"These filthy things have made absurd claims for privileges on the basis of unproductive sex .... These are out of place and revolting."

HES GOT IT RIGHT ALERT!
Hey Italy! Mind if we borrow your minister?
7 posted on 01/14/2006 2:39:29 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535158/posts)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Haha! Can you imagine how the American media would attempt to torch that guy to death? Good for him. Way to call it like it is.

But really, what, with that first picture posted, this could have used a barf alert. I didn't need to see that.


8 posted on 01/14/2006 2:44:50 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: TheBigB

>>"Talketh to the hand, freakazoids!" sayeth Pope Benny.<<

Thou dost owe me a keyboard, Nave.


9 posted on 01/14/2006 2:45:27 PM PST by netmilsmom (God blessed me with a wonderful husband.)
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To: NYer; Admin Moderator

Would you mind removing that picture, it is quite unsettling.


10 posted on 01/14/2006 2:46:59 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535158/posts)
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To: netmilsmom

My worketh is done. ; )


11 posted on 01/14/2006 2:52:38 PM PST by TheBigB (I long to meet that special female...one to whom I can say those three magic words....."are you 18?")
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To: NYer
"Without children, Italy will die," Buttiglione said.

If it's not dead already. I read somewhere that they have the lowest birth rate in Europe.

12 posted on 01/14/2006 2:54:02 PM PST by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2
Would you mind removing that picture, it is quite unsettling.


13 posted on 01/14/2006 2:58:37 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: NYer
Italian gays and women feminists protest against Vatican

Just thought I'd do my part to help the MSM with its objectivity problem.

14 posted on 01/14/2006 3:00:55 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Clemenza; Admin Moderator

This one as well could be done away with.


15 posted on 01/14/2006 3:03:17 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535158/posts)
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To: TheBigB

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!


16 posted on 01/14/2006 3:07:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (D-minus-10.)
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To: NYer
"Without children, Italy will die," Buttiglione said.

In a nutshell. If Italy doesn't change it's ways soon, it will die. And the Muslims who take over will kill off any remaining perverts.

17 posted on 01/14/2006 3:13:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

Ugh. At least put a barf alert for goodness sake!


18 posted on 01/14/2006 3:14:35 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: NYer
We thought the church had withdrawn from interfering in Italian politics ... but instead there is a terrible resurgence

We thought HOMSEXUALS had withdrawn from interfering in Italian politics ... but instead there is a terrible resurgence

Maybe Iran would take in these homosexuals?

19 posted on 01/14/2006 3:17:12 PM PST by one more state
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To: HHKrepublican_2
"These filthy things have made absurd claims for privileges on the basis of unproductive sex .... These are out of place and revolting." Boy, does that bear repeating!!
20 posted on 01/14/2006 3:20:04 PM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2; NYer; Clemenza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Human_buttocks.jpg

Click or don't click: it's your choice.
(You pays yer money, you takes yer chances . . .)


21 posted on 01/14/2006 3:24:45 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: tumblindice

Why did my proctologist give away my photos! So much for Group Health.


22 posted on 01/14/2006 3:25:41 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: NYer

Tens of Thousands in a gay and abortion protest.

Only 2% are queer. you believe that one I have a bridge to sell you.


23 posted on 01/14/2006 3:47:01 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: NYer

"These filthy things have made absurd claims for privileges on the basis of unproductive sex .... These are out of place and revolting."

Absolutely Right. Men sticking their fudge paackers into other men's anus quite revolting....wasn't there an ancient city called Sodom/Gomorrah that God destroyed due to rampant homosexuality? Don't mess with the Almighty God and His principles..... arrogant perverts don't roam heaven.


24 posted on 01/14/2006 3:53:40 PM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Clemenza; HHKrepublican_2; NYer; Admin Moderator
"Would you mind removing that picture, it is quite unsettling."

"Unsettling" is not the word for it. Sickening, disgusting, nauseating, inappropriate...they all work. Just a reminder that this is a forum on which a lot of parents educate their kids on news and politics. They shouldn't have to be subjected to visual aids on perversion. Neither should adults, for that matter.

25 posted on 01/14/2006 3:55:06 PM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: TheBigB; Tax-chick

26 posted on 01/14/2006 4:03:45 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: sweetliberty; Admin Moderator

Or, at least put something in the heading.....sheesh.


27 posted on 01/14/2006 4:18:02 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: NYer

Nails it.


28 posted on 01/14/2006 4:18:57 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: NYer
I must be getting conditioned to seeing that sort of thing, actually have seen much worse on the photography forums.

That said, I am not keen on gay civil unions, gay church unions, gays/lesbians raising children, etc.

I know. I'm an old-fashioned bigot and need to get with the times. :-)

I don't know how long the tide will be stemmed. It's bad enough as things are now. I'm not against gay people, but preferred the days when things were more discrete and not so in-your-face, not that some heterosexual behavior in public can't be offensive at times.

There are trysting places (nice parks with scenery) where I like to take pictures and I can just imagine catching someone and getting harassed or worse. It's really become a local problem and has been building up for years. I don't let it stop me from going through those places, but now I think twice about going whereas I never gave it a thought before.

One of their websites listed my alma mater community college bathroom as one of the top places to cruise. I haven't checked that out, don't care to. If so, I'm not surprised as there was enough pot smoking during breaks in cars in the parking lot when I was an older student there in the 70's. Even that I could never get used to.

I wonder what the reaction would be if single heterosexuals who want to shack up, have promiscuous sex, etc., gathered in Rome to press for change. Sure haven't seen anything like that.

29 posted on 01/14/2006 4:22:48 PM PST by Aliska
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To: tumblindice

Monty Python skit? Mel Gibson or Dennis Quaid film? What's up with that?


30 posted on 01/14/2006 4:22:54 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: NYer
Well gee, maybe murderers, thieves and adulterers, rapists etc. Come to think of it, they have, as sinners. This world makes absolutely no sense to me anymore.
31 posted on 01/14/2006 4:29:21 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Clemenza
I'll see yours, and raise you one.


32 posted on 01/14/2006 4:56:29 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: NYer

I don't understand. They could join ANY other church and get all that they wanted and more. But NO, they want to change the one church that stands firm on moral grounds.


33 posted on 01/14/2006 5:15:29 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

No, not the one church that stands firm ... but certainly one of the few. As a Protestant, I admire many of the stands the Vatican has taken. I think some American Catholics and many American Protestants don't hold to those standards.


34 posted on 01/14/2006 5:42:49 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: NYer
"These filthy things have made absurd claims for privileges on the basis of unproductive sex .... These are out of place and revolting."

35 posted on 01/14/2006 5:45:13 PM PST by notes2005
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To: NYer

"Culture Minister Rocco Buttiglione said Italy's responsibility was to protect young heterosexual couples to allow them to have children, not to look after gay couples."

I'd love to see Rocco next in line for the Primiership.

The good man has been much maligned by the homo and diversity crowd. A through and through conservative.


36 posted on 01/14/2006 5:48:28 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: HHKrepublican_2; Admin Moderator

I agree.

Could you please remove pictures at post #1 and #13.

Whole families read here on Free Republic.

Thanks.


37 posted on 01/14/2006 6:00:17 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: sweetliberty

""Unsettling" is not the word for it. Sickening, disgusting, nauseating, inappropriate...they all work. Just a reminder that this is a forum on which a lot of parents educate their kids on news and politics. They shouldn't have to be subjected to visual aids on perversion. Neither should adults, for that matter."

I couldn't have said it better myself and I didn't.

Those pictures at #1 and #13 are a disgusting indecency.

I'm out of here.


38 posted on 01/14/2006 6:05:20 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Leofl

Ping!


39 posted on 01/14/2006 6:06:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. – George W. Bush)
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To: NYer

B U M P


40 posted on 01/14/2006 6:35:45 PM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: TheBigB
"You see my wrist? Look at it!
Does that wrist look even slightly limp to you?"
says the man in the tall, tall hat.

41 posted on 01/14/2006 6:42:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'll match your bet, and raise you fifty more. If this isn't enough to scare a man (or woman) straight, I don't know what is.

Mia Kirshner and Beverly Polcyn in NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE

42 posted on 01/14/2006 6:48:11 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: NYer

later double header pingout.

Gack.

Freepmail coming your way.


43 posted on 01/14/2006 8:25:15 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Clemenza
Re: Photo on post #13

The thing on the right is obviously homosexual, but since I saw that happen after the Sox won the series I've been wondering if Ozzie Guillen is too, or was he just a victim of the pervert on the right?

Do you know? Anybody know?

44 posted on 01/14/2006 9:29:12 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: Chanticleer

Naw, the American Catholic Bishops are way out in left field. We must leave them out of the equation...


45 posted on 01/14/2006 10:13:24 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Kuiper

Let me get this straight. The Rump Rangers and FemNags are pissed at the Pope for being The Pope? Do bears do their business in the woods? This is news? What idiots are putting this drivel on the air or in print. HEADLINE WATER IS WET.

FemNags and the Homo On The Range crowd can pound sand. Who cares? Only the empty suits in the MSM.


47 posted on 01/15/2006 12:57:09 PM PST by Khankrumthebulgar
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