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Born or Bred?: Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic
Concerned Women for America ^ | 12/21/05 | Robert H. Knight

Posted on 01/14/2006 4:14:10 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: kittymyrib

You don't need to find the gene. It can be cured *now* through godly therapy.


21 posted on 01/14/2006 4:41:22 PM PST by Theo
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To: wagglebee
I doubt there is one cause of homosexuality.

Some is by choice, some is by outside corruption, some is confusion, but I think some percentage is genetic.

There is a hyper-feminine x chromosome thesis that has no proof but anecdotal evidence. It is that the X chromosome from the mother is so superior that her daughters are very desirable, hyper-feminine, but her sons Y chromosome is overwhelmed and they are effeminate.
That is hardly scientific, but I know that a large percentage of the most feminine, beautiful, erotic women I have known have had homosexual brothers. I am not the only one to notice it either.

22 posted on 01/14/2006 4:42:35 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: wagglebee

No. You're framing it wrong. The "defect" is "same-sex attraction." What these people do with their defect is a "choice."


23 posted on 01/14/2006 4:43:00 PM PST by Theo
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To: wagglebee
So, homosexual marriage, polygamy and incest don't harm society?

Homosexual marriage and polygamy, no. Incest of course is problematic if it produces children, but I said nothing about incest, now did I?

Your incoherent babble about eating pork and burkas actually works against your point. I don't want to be put under the thumb of the Muslim theocrats anymore than I want to be under the thumb of the Christian theocrats (like you).

TO MRS EDWARD A. ALLEN: from The Kilns

1 February 1958

I quite agree with the Archbishop that no sin, simply as such, should be made a crime. Who the deuce are our rulers to enforce their opinions about sin on us? - a lot of professional politicians, often venal time-servers, whose opinion on a moral problem in one's life we shd attach very little value to. Of course many acts which are sins against God are also injuries to our fellow-citizens, and must on that account, but only on that account, be made crimes. But of all the sins in the world I shd have thought homosexuality was the one that least concerns the State. We hear too much of the State. Government is at its best a necessary evil. Let's keep it in its place.

From The Letters of C.S. Lewis, pg. 473


24 posted on 01/14/2006 4:43:20 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN
It doesn't destroy the argument that people who aren't hurting anyone else ought to be left alone.

Good for you, and good luck. I tried making that argument here awhile back and was accused of everything this side of mother-raping. I agree with you. It used to be libs that were concerned with what everybody else was doing. Now it's so-called conservatives.

25 posted on 01/14/2006 4:44:48 PM PST by Bubbatuck ("Hillary Clinton can kiss my ass" - Tim Robbins)
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To: JTN
It doesn't destroy the argument that people who aren't hurting anyone else ought to be left alone.

I agree that people have the right to do whatever they want in their bedroom, so long as it doesn't involve children or animals. However, I also don't think that a sexual fetish is a valid basis for status as a protected minority with special rights.

26 posted on 01/14/2006 4:47:37 PM PST by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party. We recycle dead environmentalists....Thanx to Kenny Blankenship!)
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To: wagglebee

One thing for sure, if homosexulaity was "normal" in our species we would have died out eons ago.


27 posted on 01/14/2006 4:51:11 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Michael.SF.

That is true. Some made by birth, some made by nurture, some made by individual or societal decision, some permanent, some who switch teams, and some who play both teams.

Still not sure if it is a "gay gene" or some environmental influence on the developing embryo, but there is a hereditary nature to psychological and emotional dispositions in families. (Can you tell we've got one in ours?)

Aside from homosexuality there are other instances of identical twins where one has an anomaly, personality trait, or whatever you want to call it...that the other genetic twin does not share. It cannot be said that every embryo, even if genetically identical, experiences exactly the same circulatory, hormonal and other pre-birth experience.


28 posted on 01/14/2006 4:52:01 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: EricT.
I agree that people have the right to do whatever they want in their bedroom, so long as it doesn't involve children or animals. However, I also don't think that a sexual fetish is a valid basis for status as a protected minority with special rights.

I agree with you. There should not be special rights for anyone. But let's not pretend that's what wagglebee's problem is. Scratch under the surface and you'll find that the problem for wagglebee is that homosexuals aren't being imprisoned.

29 posted on 01/14/2006 4:54:31 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: wagglebee
Image hosted by Photobucket.com and they never seem to have an explanation about what BI-sexuals are... like being queer is normal but if you bat both ways you are perverted!!!

you can't be a LITTLE queer, like ya can't be a little pregnant.

30 posted on 01/14/2006 4:54:46 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: silverleaf
Aside from homosexuality there are other instances of identical twins where one has an anomaly, personality trait, or whatever you want to call it...

True. Strangley enough my wife works with a woman, a lesbian. Thats is not the starange part. She has twin siblings one male one female. Both are gay as well.

strong circumstantial evidence for the gay gene in that family.

31 posted on 01/14/2006 4:55:51 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada' - Ted Nugent.)
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To: EricT.

Evolution would have "selected out" homosexuality in a couple of generations through natural selection, nothing genetic about it imo. Also, I don't believe in evolution, this arguement is for those that do!
DWR


32 posted on 01/14/2006 4:56:12 PM PST by DoWhatsRight (Liberals are stark, raving hysterical...but I like it!)
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To: Bubbatuck
"It doesn't destroy the argument that people who aren't hurting anyone else ought to be left alone."

"It used to be libs that were concerned with what everybody else was doing. Now it's so-called conservatives."

Oh Cont-rare. It isn't Conservatives who give a rat's butt what homo's do in their private lives, it is when the homo's demand a status that separates themselves from the rest of us and trys to force others into excepting their behavior as being akin to heterosexual. It is the homosexuals who are in everybody's face.
33 posted on 01/14/2006 4:57:10 PM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: Bubbatuck
It used to be libs that were concerned with what everybody else was doing. Now it's so-called conservatives.

Reagan is buried in the ground and forgotten. People like wagglebee march to the beat of Rick Santorum's drum.

34 posted on 01/14/2006 4:58:27 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: DoWhatsRight
Also, I don't believe in evolution, this arguement is for those that do!

You don't believe in natural selection? Had any roach problems lately?

35 posted on 01/14/2006 5:00:09 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: traderrob6
One thing for sure, if homosexulaity was "normal" in our species we would have died out eons ago.

You're confusing "normal" with "universal". Some people are sterile. Some people are celibate by choice. It doesn't mean they're abnormal. The conservatism that I love is one that recognizes that Americans are free to live as they want, as long as nobody else is hurt. The Puritan strain of modern so-called-conservatism is very bothersome to me. As Barry Goldwater said re: gays in the military: I don't care if they are straight, as long as they can shoot straight. Barry Goldwater is my hero.

36 posted on 01/14/2006 5:08:53 PM PST by Bubbatuck ("Hillary Clinton can kiss my ass" - Tim Robbins)
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"...She cites one such study by Lisa M. Diamond, assistant professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah, who in 1994 began studying a group of females aged 16 to 23 who were attracted to other females.12 Over the course of the study, "almost two-thirds have changed labels," Stepp reports..."

This is a key point because high schools are allowing homosexual groups to "counsel" troubled teen adolescents. A 14 year old boy who is going through all sorts of hormonal changes should be protected from adult homosexuals and not tossed over to em. Even Truman Capote who seemed to have a genetic lack of masculine traits had some attractions to women but perhaps the key episodes in his sexual development were at the hands (literally) of abusive homosexual prep school teachers. Homosexuals, not universally but as a group, fish for adolescents. The percentage of heterosexual adult men who make efforts to find girls ages 13 to 15 is miniscule compared to the percentage of homosexual men who make efforts to seduce boys of that same age group.
37 posted on 01/14/2006 5:09:32 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: kittymyrib

If there is a gay gene it is a birth defect.


38 posted on 01/14/2006 5:13:03 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: wagglebee
If homosexuality is genetic, then it's descrimination to deny marriage to homosexuals. It would be no different than denying marriage based on race, which is genetic.

Is this the gay lobby's argument?

I would reply that the particular cause of homosexuality is irrelevant -- totally beside the point -- because society experiences gayness exclusively as a *behavior*. We don't know someone is gay until they do certain things or act a certain way. Not so with race. Unlike sexual orientation, you can know a person's race simply by glancing at their photograph. This is because unlike sexual orientation, race is something you are rather than something you do.

Now, it's normal and just for a society to pass judgements on people's behavior. In fact, Martin Luther King implored us to judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character -- i.e. by his behavior. Ending the bigotry of race-based marriage laws was in perfect accord with this, since skin color has no bearing on the things married couples do. After all, a marriage across racial lines can be just as healthy and fruitful as any other marriage. A mixed couple can bring children into the world and be a father and mother for them just as any other couple can.

Not so with a homosexual couple. They can never do these things. And because society has a right to judge and to make laws based upon behavior (i.e. what people do), it has the right to deny a homosexual couple public license for their relationship. Thus the barring of homosexual marriage is in no way harmed by arguments based on descrimination against a person's DNA.

Case closed.

39 posted on 01/14/2006 5:15:40 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Great points!


40 posted on 01/14/2006 5:20:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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