Why Your Brain Has Gray Matter, and Why You Should Use It (Darwinian Evolution's Foolishness)

Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 1/13/2006 | Creation-Evolution Headlines Staff

[AmericaUnited]

Oh stop it. You have to be a brainless moron (or have incredible faith) to believe the human brain just randomly evolved.

[RaceBannon]

Prove it happened in the first place

Besides, when Creationists start wiith Genesis, evos cringe

Here, th evo started ith his assumption of EVO, and then you expect thinking people to NOT cringe?

Sorry, Evolutionary false religion alert

[RaceBannon]

her understanding of science is fine, it is the evo's belief in a faith-based system that they call science that is the problem...

[RaceBannon]

that doesnt mean that the virus evolved, but that some of the virusus never were affected and replicated

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"You have to be a brainless moron (or have incredible faith) to believe the human brain just randomly evolved."

You have to be willfully ignorant to state that scientists think the brain evolved randomly. Natural selection is not a random process.

[AmericaUnited]

Natural selection is not a random process

You're playing words games. The changes/permutations involved in natural section occurring, are they 'random' or 'ordered'?

[donh]

You're playing words games. The changes/permutations involved in natural section occurring, are they 'random' or 'ordered'?

The more accurate question would be, are their random distributions continuous, or clustered around a mean? Evolution is guided by the the environment, because the random distributions, while initially continuous (which is what you mean when you say "random" in this context) are clustered, after selection takes place.

[VadeRetro]

Humans have more cortex and more convoluted, but all cortex is gray matter and even primitive vertebrates (lampreys, etc.) have cortex. I doubt human gray matter is any grayer or the white matter any whiter than in fish. Most "higher" intelligence functions (not directly motor or sensory related) appear to be controlled by cortex. The convolutions in human cortex increase its surface area. Surface area seems to be the key measure.

Are you talking about the time to transform a chimp-like brain into a human one? We have very good fossil evidence this transformation happened within 5-7 million years with most of it in the last three million. A chimp-like creature is a pretty good starting point from which to go in a human direction.

[VadeRetro]

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Consider that one stolen! The classic portrait of a creationist researcher.

[AmericaUnited]

Natural selection is not a random process

Hmmm... That must explain why people on your side say things like the following, again and again and again:

"When we incorporate genetics into our story, it becomes more obvious why the generation of new variations is a chance process. Variants do not arise because they are needed. They arise by random processes governed by the laws of genetics. "

Of course, it wouldn’t be the same, because first of all, random processes are involved in the evolutionary process.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Survival of the adequate.

[Doctor Stochastic]

The Designer stepped in and modified the flu strains to make them more robust. It's the only way a dumb virus can get a favorable mutation. She may grant the Bird Flue a favorable mutation to allow it to be transmitted from human to human.

[VadeRetro]

Oh stop it. You have to be a brainless moron (or have incredible faith) to believe the human brain just randomly evolved.

Only the variation part is random. The joint action of random variation and natural selection is not random and not a tautology. ("'The survivors survive!' That's just a tautology!") The joint action of both things produces a convergence upon adaptation in any given local population. It will also cause populations isolated from each other and coming under different local pressures to diverge over time from each other. "Common descent diverging via the action of random variation and natural selection." Only one part of that is random. Learn it, remember it, and you can stop making easily-dissected strawman arguments.

[Doctor Stochastic]

. An actual designer would have just designed the flounder as a fish flattened on its vertical axis...

An example of horisontal vs vertical evolution?

[nmh]

You really are blind.

The evidence doesn't support evolution. There has not been one fossil to indicate a "transition". Not one.
Hey, if you want to believe you are a decent of s primitive ape - that's your business. Need I also mention the fatally flawed dating methods - it's like out come based education - through your flawed methods you have predetermined the outcome - which still makes evolution laughably false!

What I find even more amusing is the very "laws of science" you claim to worship utterly defy that evolution is a possibility. Evolutionary hypothesis utterly defy these very laws. It takes a hell of a leap of FAITH to buy into evolution. But you know what? You can also believe there are little green men on the moon too! It really doesn't phase me. Truth is your worst enemy.

[nmh]

LOL!

You haven't corrected me with anything that has substance so I ignore it.

As to who is "bearing false witness" ah, you ought to look in the mirror. Or perhaps your god is an "ape"? Mine isn't and I was made in His image.

As I mentioned to another numb nut, if only the evidence supported your twisted view, then I'd think twice. It doesn't nor do you stay within the confines of the laws of science with your evolving hypothesis. Yes, evolving. Funny thing about truth - it doesn't EVOLVE. It's consistent - like the ofter character here wringing their hands over evolution - evolution will never be true. There is NO, absolutely NO evidence to support it - ZILCHO! There never will be because it isn't true. But hey, believe pigs fly too!

[VadeRetro]

Prove it happened in the first place

People have been posting evidence at you for years. This thread is already cluttered with evidence posted by evos and this kind of thing from creationists.

(Didn't take me long to start using THAT one, did it?)

Besides, when Creationists start wiith Genesis, evos cringe

It isn't just that you start with it. You never budge a step off of it, either.

Here, th evo started ith his assumption of EVO, and then you expect thinking people to NOT cringe?

Evolution was itself suggested by the evidence. Everyone used to be a creationist.

Sorry, Evolutionary false religion alert

I like the acknowledgement that religion is a crappy approach to learning anything new about the world. That much you have right. But you're the one doing that.

[Coyoteman]

Everything, bar nothing, about the theory of evolution is based on assumption. There is not one little scrap of science involved in that theory.

The following is an assumption? I think it is a data point; it is one of many.

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Herto skulls (Homo sapiens idaltu)

Some new fossils from Herto in Ethiopia, are the oldest known modern human fossils, at 160,000 yrs. The discoverers have assigned them to a new subspecies, Homo sapiens idaltu, and say that they are anatomically and chronologically intermediate between older archaic humans and more recent fully modern humans. Their age and anatomy is cited as strong evidence for the emergence of modern humans from Africa, and against the multiregional theory which argues that modern humans evolved in many places around the world.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/herto.html

[grey_whiskers]

Survival of the adequate.

Well, as another poster has noted, that would explain Congress.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" You're playing words games. The changes/permutations involved in natural section occurring, are they 'random' or 'ordered'?"

The variation is random (mostly); the selection most assuredly is not.


" Hmmm... That must explain why people on your side say things like the following, again and again and again:"

As I said, the genetic variation is mostly random. This is not in conflict with saying that natural selection is not random. Those individuals who live or die do not do so randomly (though it IS a stochastic process).