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Iran commissions locally built submarine (PHOTOS)
By: Associated Press ^

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:30:21 AM PST by Khashayar

Iran on Sunday commissioned its second domestically built submarine, a craft that can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously, state-run radio reported.

The report said the submarine, named Ghadir, was Iran's second homemade submarine, and was unveiled during the third day of military maneuvers in southern Iran.

Iran's armed forces began their biggest military maneuvers Friday in the Sea of Oman and the Indian Ocean on Iran's territorial waters close to Pakistan and involved submarines, warships, missiles, jet fighters and gunships.

In May, Iran officially launched the production of the locally built submarine, claiming it was a stealth craft.

Its name, Ghadir, is derived from a site in the Arabian Peninsula holy to Shiite Muslims, the overwhelming majority of Iran's 69 million people.

Iran produces the Shahab-3 missile, capable of reaching Israel and U.S. forces stationed in the region. Since 1992, it also has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and a fighter plane.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; armsbuildup; gwot; iran; navy; nuclear; sub; submarine
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To: eastforker

Russian KILO Class subs of the Iranian Navy

This is believed to be the North Korean submarine which Iran bought

51 posted on 01/15/2006 5:12:48 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: AmericaUnited

Laugh, but it sank a warship!


52 posted on 01/15/2006 5:12:55 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: eastforker
Relax, we know Iran is dangerous, especially considering the fact that they haven't been at war for over a decade, unlike Iraq, and that they've had enough time to rebuild.

Iran News Jan 13th, 2006 - 01:21:34
Page One > Iran News





Russia will refurbish Iranian submarines
Jul 4, 2005
Kommersant


On Sunday the Second International Naval Show (IMDS-2005) finished its work in St. Petersburg. During its course there were negotiations about new shipments of naval military equipment to China and Mexico, and about the refurbishing Iranian submarines.

On the show about 300 Russian defense companies demonstrated their production ready for export. In the Sea Station pier, the visitors were able to examine ships from the Russian Navy. For a first time on the show was a demonstration of the Russian submarine of new generation ?Sankt-Petersburg? Project 677 ?Lada?, which the state company Admiralty Shipyards finishing for Russian Navy. The export version of this sub ? Project 1650 ?Amur?? the Admiralty Shipyards was offering to India for sale. However, Indian Navy preferred to buy six French subs Scorpene and currently finalizing the negotiations of the deal that amounts to $1.8-2 billion.






However, Admiralty Shipyards signed contracts with India and China to supply parts for the diesel-electric submarines of Project 877EKM and their modernized version of Project 636 that were sold to these countries earlier. Each contract is appraised at about $1 million. The Indian Navel force has 10 submarines of Project 877EKM and two more would be shipped this year directly from the Russian navy. China has two subs of Project 877EKM and two of Project 636. From last year, the Chinese navy also started to receive new subs of Project 636 that according to a contract from 2002 will amount to eight submarines worth $1.4 billion.

The St. Petersburg shipbuilding company Almaz was negotiating with representatives of the Chinese defense ministry. Before the end of the year, they hoped to sign a contract for the building of two Zubr Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft (CMSTS) of project 1232.2 with options for several more such ships. Each craft costs more than $60 million. And the corporation Concern of Middle and Small Tonnage Shipbuilding until the end of the year plans to strike an agreement with Mexico for not less than two patrol cutters of project 14310 Mirage. ?Cameroon is also interested to buy Cutter of the Project 12150 Mongoose. Within several months they are ready to sign a contract for up to 10 Mongooses,? Valentine Lyashenko, deputy director of CMSTS told Kommersant.

Moreover, Kommersant found out that Rosoboron export is negotiating with Iran about repair and modernization of Iranian submarines. Iran has three submarines of project 877EKM that were supplied by Russia in 1992 (Russian name of the sub B-219, Iranian?901 Tareq), in June 1993 (B-224, 902 Nur) and in November 1996 (B-175, 903 Yunes). It was expected that all the major components that already exceeded their life expectancy will be replaced.

53 posted on 01/15/2006 5:13:17 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: eastforker
excellent post.
But, if you can't tell the difference between a few of us having a little fun and our constant reminders that the rats are destroying the country by not voting to drill in anwar, the Gulf and vote for nuclear fuel than you have not picked up on fr's constant daily message.
In other words chill a little.
54 posted on 01/15/2006 5:14:06 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support the New Media and fr.)
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To: eastforker; johnny7
Some on this board think they can defeat Iran by just making cheap insults. ... I do not take the threat of Iran lightly

Both of you need to lighten up. Either that or go back down into your bunkers and the rest of us will let you know when the US Navy has taken out this sub and it's safe to come out.

P.S. This is our way of not turning into uptight, hysterical, hyperventilating, worry warts.

55 posted on 01/15/2006 5:15:53 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Khashayar

I won't make fun of it because I am sure it will work better than anyone can realize.


56 posted on 01/15/2006 5:16:54 AM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: gridlock
I hope our sonar guys don't wind up hurting their ears listening to the noise levels this thing is going to produce...

Yep, this is a one shot deal at best. They might very well use it to sink an oil tanker, but they'd better make the first shot count because they won't get another one.

As the old joke goes, "How come the Iranian Navy has glass bottom boats?" Answer: So they can see their Airforce. Now, they'll need glass bottom boats to see their sunken subs too.

57 posted on 01/15/2006 5:17:32 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: ChefKeith
I'm thinking that the reason for the firing of missile & torpedo at the same time is so the counter acting forces push it down and back at the same time instead of flipping it over with the missile launch.

missile firing sub=raghead standing on the con with a RPG

58 posted on 01/15/2006 5:19:21 AM PST by jslade (Liberalism ALWAYS accomplishes the exact opposite of it's stated intent!)
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To: Khashayar; saganite; Spktyr; El Gato; wtc911; Waverunner; Fred Nerks; Squantos; Phsstpok; ...
Iranian Missile Boats
59 posted on 01/15/2006 5:19:28 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Quo Fas et Gloria Ducunt)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Laugh, but it sank a warship!

And itself. :)

60 posted on 01/15/2006 5:19:35 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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Iran's KILO Class subs

61 posted on 01/15/2006 5:19:38 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: saganite
Diesel electric subs are extremely quiet and the waters of the Persian gulf are very difficult for sub detecting gear. Iranian subs could pose a threat to shipping there.

We're not talking about Cold War submarine tactics here; there's no need to be that subtle. If they manage to run silent, hammer 'em with active sonar until their fillings fall out and their ears bleed. What are they going to do about it?

62 posted on 01/15/2006 5:19:53 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Khashayar

It will make a nice reef.


63 posted on 01/15/2006 5:20:50 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: ReignOfError

Yes, this is a one shot deal and then it's on the bottom.


64 posted on 01/15/2006 5:21:07 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: johnny7

Bingo. Exactly how this should be viewed.


65 posted on 01/15/2006 5:21:47 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Khashayar
No, it is not much of a threat to the Aircraft Carriers. It's good for use in the Persian Gulf since it a shallow body of water. When running on electric it is actually quieter then a nuke but it has short range before it has to recharge it's batteries. That is really noisy so it would be highly vulnerable to do that in open water. The Aircraft carriers operate in the Indian Ocean. In the event of a war with Iran, we would picket the Strait with Anti Sub platforms and waste these subs as they came out.
66 posted on 01/15/2006 5:28:38 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: sukhoi-30mki


67 posted on 01/15/2006 5:29:08 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Axlrose
Only when it moves will it be noisy.

Close but not quite. Only when it runs on battery power will it be quite. It can move on battery power but the range is limited. These are the perfect weapon for use in the Persian Gulf. The Gulf is shallow. Makes using a nuke boat tough in the Gulf.

68 posted on 01/15/2006 5:31:28 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: AmericaUnited

Actually, there may be evidence that it was run down by another ship, going to the aid of the one it sank. Earlier, though, the Hunley did go through a couple of crews during development, iirc.


69 posted on 01/15/2006 5:31:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yep. Another interesting side note from the article:

"The report said the submarine, named Ghadir, was Iran's second homemade submarine, and was unveiled during the third day of military maneuvers in southern Iran."

Ghadir(according to a quick google)was the site of the last message and pilgrimage of the 'prophet', where he chose his successor and hence first leader of the caliph. Seems to be a bone of contention between the sunnis and shia as to what the Ghadir passage in the Quran means.

So, in essense, Iran is thumbing it's nose to the Sunnis naming this submarine Ghadir.


70 posted on 01/15/2006 5:32:25 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: AmericaUnited
Well... shiverrrrrr me timberrrrrrrs!
71 posted on 01/15/2006 5:32:43 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: MNJohnnie
Makes you wonder if the N. Koreans and the Ruskies weren't just selling replaceable targets to the not so bright iranians to begin with. Extremely good for the arms business, don'tcha just know.
72 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:12 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support the New Media and fr.)
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To: Axlrose
Only when it moves will it be noisy.

Same is true with a bus. :-)

73 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:38 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The hull looks noisy in the pics. Without going into detail, just think of what you would not want on the bottom of your bass boat. Shallow water creates problems, too, from an OPFOR standpoint.


74 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:42 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: johnny7
Good point. It doesn't have to fire torpedoes as long as it can stay down a decent length of time, run fairly quietly, have a good cruising range, and carry a suicide-nuke.
75 posted on 01/15/2006 5:39:02 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: A.Hun
Oh, wow! Thanks for the memories! I had one of those as well as a baking powder frogman!

They actually ran better if you used Alka Seltzer instead of baking powder. Went up and down like crazy!

76 posted on 01/15/2006 5:43:09 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: saganite
The Italians managed to sink a major British combatant in an Egyptian harbor during WWII in a contraption significantly less sophisticated than this sub. Can't remember the details though.

The Italians sent in swimmers running what amounted to an over sized torpedo and attached limpet mines to the hulls of 2 or three ships.

77 posted on 01/15/2006 5:54:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: Jack Hammer
"What is this?"

For those who sport fish the Sea of Oman I would suggest for trolling use an ABU GARCIA 5000 with at least 20 pound test line and a deep diving white with black spots BOMBER bait.

You might be lucky enough to get a strike from one of these aquatic freaks and if so play it slowly, boat it, take picture and throw back and try again you might get something worthwhile on your next cast!

One thing I overlooked, be sure to have your reel brake set properly so as not to break you line while in the retreaving mode, after all they are somewhat cumbersome.

I wish you good success and have fun.

78 posted on 01/15/2006 5:55:06 AM PST by VOYAGER
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Check out the guys web page:

http://www.torgo.org/bpsubs/

I remember playing with the frogmen too! They looked so cool on the commercials...


79 posted on 01/15/2006 5:55:13 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: solitas
Doesn't even need a nuke. A sub like this can carry more plastic-explosive than the power-boat that almost blew the Cole in-half.

Suicide is a major component in Iran's military strategy. They used it to 'some' success in their war with Iraq. Think of Iran's military-mentally as you would of Japan's... after the debut of the Kamakaze.

80 posted on 01/15/2006 5:57:16 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: Khashayar

I have seen larger septic tanks.


81 posted on 01/15/2006 5:57:28 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Laugh, but it sank a warship!

And killed itself in the process

82 posted on 01/15/2006 5:57:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: penelopesire
I can't help but notice the scale of these things. They aren't meant to be deep ocean navy, although a couple might pull off suicide strikes there.

These seem to be for operating in shallower water. Litoral zone naval combat is another can of worms, distinct from blue water operations in the open ocean.

I hope the eggheads have puzzled this out pretty thoroughly.

IIRC, a few years back the Iranians cut a deal with Mozambique to use port facilities to service their Kilos, too.

83 posted on 01/15/2006 6:01:48 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Khashayar

Nice color. I think we could easily launch that whole sub from one of our missile tubes.


84 posted on 01/15/2006 6:03:35 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MNJohnnie

And that crew didn't have 6 dozen virgins waiting for them, either.


85 posted on 01/15/2006 6:03:51 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: rodguy911

Excellent analysis Rod. They are dumping off junk weapon systems they no longer need for buko dollars. Smart business on their part.


86 posted on 01/15/2006 6:07:26 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: A.Hun

I had one of those long ago - it came in a box of cereal.


87 posted on 01/15/2006 6:07:48 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
hope the eggheads have puzzled this out pretty thoroughly

They have been talking about it since Gulf War 1. One of the reasons they dumped the massive Seawolf class for the Virgina class attack boats. Don't know the operational specifics but the Navy IS aware of the problem. Only question is which is better, our solution or their plan? Only combat can determine that for sure

88 posted on 01/15/2006 6:11:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Misuse of the Commerce Clause is the root of all Congressional evil)
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To: johnny7

Exactly. And running on battery power to avoid detection, it would be quite deadly.

Not something to joke about.


89 posted on 01/15/2006 6:13:32 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: BunnySlippers

Did you hear the one about the Iranian rocket ship?
...at 500 feet it ran out of coal.


90 posted on 01/15/2006 6:15:18 AM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Wow..I learn so much from my fellow freepers(and you guys make me laugh with your funny comments too). What is Litoral zone naval combat?


91 posted on 01/15/2006 6:17:58 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Brooklyn Kid

So they can domestically produce a sub that a person cannot even stand up in and two crew members cannot even pass by each other inside it.

You certainly cannot hold a missile and a torpedo in that little thing let alone fire them simultaneously.

The US made subs in 1865 which were better than this.


92 posted on 01/15/2006 6:19:20 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: A.Hun

That's what these are for: http://navysite.de/weapons/phalanx.htm


93 posted on 01/15/2006 6:20:55 AM PST by Frenetic
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To: Brooklyn Kid

"Not something to joke about."

There is room for both...lol. Call me old fashion, but I am somewhat comforted by our American 'bravado'. It is good to know that we still have men that are not fearful and reduced to impotent pantywaists by the liberal endoctrination in this country.


94 posted on 01/15/2006 6:21:26 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: JustDoItAlways; johnny7

Please read the comments in #80 again.

" A sub like this can carry more plastic-explosive than the power-boat that almost blew the Cole in-half."

We must think of everything in terms of their possible bomb potential. Things may appear to have one use and really be meant to be a container for explosive materials.


95 posted on 01/15/2006 6:24:43 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Frenetic

And they do an excellent job...too bad not many tankers have them!!


96 posted on 01/15/2006 6:24:55 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: penelopesire

I don't think our military analysts are laughing. They may have chuckled in the first few seconds after seeing it, but they know the potential for destruction one of these things has.


97 posted on 01/15/2006 6:27:00 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: A.Hun

I had one of those baking powder submarines when I was a kid. They came free in breakfast cereal. You could also get a baking powder PT boat but you had to send away for that and they cost fifty cents.


98 posted on 01/15/2006 6:27:23 AM PST by Nakota
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To: Khashayar

bump


99 posted on 01/15/2006 6:31:33 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOYAGER

Thanks for the kind wishes. I do like a good chuckle, and I hate to sound like a "wimp", but I regret I seem inadvertently to have hurt someone's feelings or something. Not quite sure what went on there - it's always difficult to know, when the interchange is electronic and thus facial expressions are unseen - but people are sometimes sensitive about their threads and the responses they draw. Oh, well.


100 posted on 01/15/2006 6:35:50 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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