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Iran commissions locally built submarine (PHOTOS)
By: Associated Press ^

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:30:21 AM PST by Khashayar

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To: Brooklyn Kid

"I don't think our military analysts are laughing. They may have chuckled in the first few seconds after seeing it, but they know the potential for destruction one of these things has."

Of course they know the score and are planning for every contingency. We should have complete confidence in our military(I do).
A few laughs are good for the soul however. It's one of the best things about hanging out around here.


101 posted on 01/15/2006 6:40:58 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Smokin' Joe

This sub could possibly transport a nuke on a suicide mission!


102 posted on 01/15/2006 6:41:17 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Yes. It's a container for anything they wish.


103 posted on 01/15/2006 6:45:28 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: penelopesire
The Littoral Zone is the area from the beach to about 600 ft. (100 fathoms, or 183 meters) of water.

Imagine trying to perform submarine operations, or even surface naval ops there. Bathymetry may be changeable and complex. Fresh, brackish, and salt water masses may be present and mixing (which would significantly complicate sonar interpretation). Turbidity may mask visual sightings from the air as well.

It is an environment especially well suited to shallow draft, fast, maneuverable vessels, and can provide a significant home turf advantage.

Small, quiet subs which can lay doggo in the right places and fast gunboats/missile boats would be especially well suited to fight in this environment.

Survivability might be low, but the emphasis is on destroying superior forces with lesser vessels(--right up a jihadi's alley).

Air power can be a decisive factor.

All things being equal, though, I guess it would be the equivalent of a bar room brawl on a school bus, driving in and out of darkened tunnels.

104 posted on 01/15/2006 6:45:36 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Yep! That little mudpuppy is no joke if it works.


105 posted on 01/15/2006 6:46:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: penelopesire

Sure. I understand. I have a sense of humor, too :- )


106 posted on 01/15/2006 6:47:01 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid (What's it to ya? ) ((....west of the Jordan, east of the Rock of Gibraltar.................))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the info. So this submarine is not something that could make it to our shores with a nuke and would be used mainly for a defense of their own waters? Just curious how far this sub could travel.


107 posted on 01/15/2006 6:51:59 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Axlrose

Quiet until the call to prayer is broadcast throughout the boat.

Seriously,

It'll show up like a Kmart bluelight special on active sonar.


108 posted on 01/15/2006 6:55:36 AM PST by TFMcGuire
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To: penelopesire

I doubt it would have the fuel capacity to make it to North America without a tender. Even the U boats rendezvoused with submarine tenders or specially modified 'milch cow' submarines to take on fuel and supplies.


109 posted on 01/15/2006 6:56:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, that is good to know.
I guess the next question is whether or not the Iranians have 'tenders'.


110 posted on 01/15/2006 7:04:46 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: ChefKeith; Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; ...

Interesting. The Iranians have built themselves a terrorist transporter. Judging by its size and color, it's not meant to venture out much past the Straits of Hormuz.

Doubt it has much offensive punch. If it does have torpedo tubes, I'd be surprised if it has more than two. Tube-loaded missiles are probably not an option. I doubt it has an ejection pump to push a rocket clear of the hull. Also looks like it needs to be surfaced to fire that little launcher on the forward deck.

It's a problem for the merchant traffic that flows in and out of the Gulf. Not so much for warships, but stranger things have happened. Recall that Iran has recently deployed surface-to-surface missiles in the straits as well. Something is going to have to be done soon. Iran must not posess the ability to shut down the Persian Gulf.


111 posted on 01/15/2006 7:12:45 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: PeteB570
Lots of ex-sub folks around here. Any professional opinions?

I'll take a stab at it. I took as good of a look as I can at it, and it seems like it is designed more for a littoral role ( coastal- near coastal) than a deep ocean role.

Visibly, it has a snorkel mast, radar, vhf or uhf radio antennae, and periscope. The sail looks to be kind of cheaply built, and the superstructure appears to be built over the pressure hull.

I couldnt figure out what the round barrel shaped assembly was that appears to be welded to the forward deck, but it looks a lot like a life raft cannister.

I cannot see any weapons systems visible, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have any. They may have the torpedos arranged external to the hull or carry them internally, depending on space. They may also have shoulder fired weapons for self defense stowed inside the vessel.

My bet would be on it being a copy of some type of a North Korean mini-submarine design. They probably will use it for personnel insertion/extraction, shipping attacks in coastal or near coastal waters, and intel gathering. I dont think it is useful or well designed enough to operate in the deep water arena

112 posted on 01/15/2006 7:42:10 AM PST by judicial meanz (Progressive liberals and Stalinists; tell me exactly where they are different in their beliefs?)
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To: AmericaUnited

heh heh heh


The Hunley was the first thought that crossed my mind when I saw the picture.


113 posted on 01/15/2006 7:54:47 AM PST by SmithL (Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Lift up your gates and sing, Hosana in the highest! Hosana to your King!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

"......Small, quiet subs which can lay doggo in the right places and fast gunboats/missile boats would be especially well suited to fight in this environment.

Survivability might be low, but the emphasis is on destroying superior forces with lesser vessels(--right up a jihadi's alley).

Air power can be a decisive factor."



The thought of catching hard targets in shallow water must give some of our Orion or Viking ASW types a......well, great feeling of enthusiasm.

Only bad news is that they might run out of targets before they all get to fire live rounds.


114 posted on 01/15/2006 8:21:40 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
Probably have the ASW guys creaming their jeans, at least until the first warhead went critical. That might mess with the avionics a tad.

We have to remember that (enough of) these guys just don't think like normal people.

115 posted on 01/15/2006 8:30:29 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Khashayar

BTTT


116 posted on 01/15/2006 8:43:58 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: solitas
Good point. It doesn't have to fire torpedoes as long as it can stay down a decent length of time, run fairly quietly, have a good cruising range, and carry a suicide-nuke.

I wondered how long it would take for some one to state the obvious.

118 posted on 01/15/2006 8:55:51 AM PST by MistrX
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To: Doohickey
What is the cylindrical object on the deck forward of the sail? Is this the "missile" referenced in the article? It looks too small to contain a useful anti-ship missile such as the Exocet.

Maybe they adapted something smaller they already have in their inventory (Maverick or TOW?) to fire from a waterproof canister attached externally to the sub. A launcher for unguided rockets is another possibility. The North Koreans use a lot of unguided rockets on small surface ships.

This sub would certainly have to surface to fire such a weapon making it very vulnerable. I suspect talk of a missiles is Iranian disinformation: Torpedoes or mines would be far more effective.

119 posted on 01/15/2006 9:08:34 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Khashayar
Park it on the bottom, wait for a tanker. Kaboom. Cars make noisy suicide bombers. Why not noisy subs?

I'd be placing sonar arrays (if they aren't already)all over the Gulf.

120 posted on 01/15/2006 9:16:45 AM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are people in Africa sober!.)
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