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91,700 abortions in (NYC)city [40 out of 100 pregnancies ended in a planned abortion]
NY DAILY NEWS ^ | January 15, 2006 | BY PAUL H.B. SHIN

Posted on 01/15/2006 5:01:56 AM PST by johnny7

For every 100 babies born in New York City, women had 74 abortions in 2004, according to newly released figures that reaffirm the city as the abortion capital of the country. And abortions for out-of-town women performed in the city increased from 57 to 70 out of every 1,000 between 1996 and 2004, a subtle yet noticeable trend that experts say may reflect growing hurdles against the procedure in more conservative parts of the country.

The new Vital Statistics report released by the city Department of Health this month shows there were 124,100 live births, 11,700 spontaneous abortions and 91,700 induced abortions in the city in 2004. That means 40 out of 100 pregnancies in the city ended in a planned abortion - almost double the national average of 24 of 100 pregnancies in 2002, estimated by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a Manhattan-based nonprofit group that researches reproductive health issues.

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To: johnny7

Please tell me this figure is wrong.


151 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:53 AM PST by RepubMommy
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To: NYer

Hey you are being intolerant when you suggest that the "natives" in the New World didn't live in the most peaceful of Utopia's!

We all know they had no problems, an abundance of food, and a just society, living in complete harmony with nature and beast.


152 posted on 01/19/2006 7:20:02 AM PST by Sometimes A River (The problem with Neo-Cons is that they are for unlimited Third World Immigration.)
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To: johnny7

Yes, God Almighty.

Remind me to never again go to New York.

I recall a time that, even without a slight degree of parental supervision and/or morality involved, most females who were not intentionally engaged in having a family avoided having sex with any male because they did not want to get pregnant.

Women used to avoid sex as long as possible to avoid becoming pregnant, is my point. Even aside from religious convictions and/or any other moral motivation, the key thing was that people exercised a greater degree of sexual controls prior to the availability of "abortion on demand," AND, also, most males would, too, to avoid the responsibilities. Those that didn't were undesirable by most girls and were known to be predators, irresponsible, not who you'd want to marry.

People can avoid unwanted pregnancies by avoiding consequential sexual intercourse. What we have today is a whole few generations who never learned about consequences, unfortunately, unaware that they're living on after their "abortions" as murderers, and yet not without penalty to come.


153 posted on 01/19/2006 7:23:08 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

"And, remember that to many abortion is a religion, almost a sacrament (blood sacrifice?) to their "god" of international socialism/anti-Christian/anti-capitalist world order!"

Remember Baal worship, with the fire in the belly of the golden calf?


154 posted on 01/19/2006 7:31:08 AM PST by dsc
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To: linda_22003

Why do you suggest this is a case of "red states" versus New York, "blue states."

You're missing the actual facts, additionally, of the story itself. Two percent of abortions being conducted on those from "out of state" could refer to people from Brazil, Tijera Del Fuego, London or wherever.


155 posted on 01/19/2006 7:33:21 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek

I understand that. I am probably anticipating a trend, based on history. I remember pre-1973 very well. Do you?


156 posted on 01/19/2006 7:34:21 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

Yes, and illegal immigration has increased by even greater percentages. New York is among the most popular of destinations for immigrants of both the legal and the illegal kind.


157 posted on 01/19/2006 7:34:40 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: linda_22003

Why do you ask?

And what "trend" is that?

Abortions anywhere, including in New York and your fancied "blue states" otherwise were as illegal pre-1973 as they were in "red states."


158 posted on 01/19/2006 7:35:54 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: linda_22003

Are you a feminist? A Democrat?


159 posted on 01/19/2006 7:36:42 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: linda_22003

Any idea how many poor Mississippi women travelled up to New York City for an abortion?

I wonder where Mississippi women who want abortions go to get them. And I wonder what woman would travel to NYC for an abortion. What states near NYC have restrictive abortion policies? Are abortion-promoters sending women to NYC?


160 posted on 01/19/2006 7:39:07 AM PST by petitfour
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To: MillerCreek
Abortions anywhere, including in New York and your fancied "blue states" otherwise were as illegal pre-1973 as they were in "red states."

Abortions were legal in some states, including New York prior to 1973- it was a state issue pre-Roe, and will be again when/if Roe is overturned.

161 posted on 01/19/2006 7:39:12 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: linda_22003
There is just one in each state.

There are also just two major airports in those states. Imagine that. Only half as many abortion clinics as airports. Surely there are more pregnant women needing abortions than ordinary people who need to hop on a plane and fly somewhere, right?

Since abortion is every bit as legal as airplane travel (not to mention potentially much more profitable), you're going to have to consider something called "supply and demand"...instead of muttering darkly about deja vu.

I also remember the pre-Roe days, and this is nothing like them.

162 posted on 01/19/2006 7:42:08 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: MillerCreek

I meant the abortion trend, not the immigration trend. New York was THE place to go, pre-Roe.


163 posted on 01/19/2006 7:43:25 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

164 posted on 01/19/2006 7:43:26 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Which outlets in the library are appropriate for my hairdryer--Actual question asked of a librarian)
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To: linda_22003

Yeah... I remember. I also remember 'the pill'.


165 posted on 01/19/2006 7:45:16 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: LWalk18

O.K., thanks for sharing that.


166 posted on 01/19/2006 7:46:12 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek

Well, "feminist" around here is used as a curse word. I am a feminist in that I believe women should be able to vote, hold professional jobs, have their own credit, and have the same rights and responsibilities as men. Around here, it seems to mean "man-hater", "lesbian", and other things I am not.

I am not a Democrat; I am primarily a fiscal/business conservative, and not a social conservative. I am not a Republican, either, since I live in Virginia and we do not have registration by party here. I think it would be beneficial if more states were like that!


167 posted on 01/19/2006 7:46:25 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: NYer

"temple of Huitzilopochtli"

For some reason, your graphic is totally black on my screen. Is everybody else seeing it correctly?


168 posted on 01/19/2006 7:47:14 AM PST by dsc
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To: MillerCreek

"Abortions anywhere, including in New York and your fancied "blue states" otherwise were as illegal pre-1973 as they were in "red states.""

That's actually not true. The first legalized abortion law was signed in California by Ronald Reagan in 1967. New York followed in 1970, and two others I would have to look up had also legalized it before 1973. The trend in states was toward legalization when the Supreme Court short-circuited the process. Abortion proponents would have been better off waiting for state legislatures to do their job.


169 posted on 01/19/2006 7:48:25 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: md2576

Oh my goodness! Your story brought me to tears!!!

God Bless you and all you do. I pray for your mother and thank God for your adoptive parents.

Godspeed, my FRiend.


170 posted on 01/19/2006 7:48:52 AM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: linda_22003

That's odd. I'm a Republican, and I live in Virginia. I think our two senators are Republican as well. And the Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General.


171 posted on 01/19/2006 7:50:13 AM PST by petitfour
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To: linda_22003
I remember pre-1973 very well. Do you?

Sure do. And I was pro-abortion in those days.

I see no resemblance whatsoever to that time now. Unfortunately.

172 posted on 01/19/2006 7:50:30 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart

I agree times have changed. Travel is cheaper and long-distance travel is more common.


173 posted on 01/19/2006 7:51:16 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

And, **I** meant the immigration trend, and the illegal immigration trend. And to New York and why.

New York has always been a magnet for immigrants of the legal kind for obvious, official and legal reasons, but the illegal immigration trend today is to go to NYC and NY state for easy secondary-economy employment, housing, free social goods and services with or without legal status.

And, thus, a good guess as to who those increased "2% visitors" to New York are is almost certainly a larger number of illegal immigrants. You concluded it was a "red state" versus the default-NewYork-"blue state" issue while I'm asking, why conclude thusly?

Given NY's reputation and status as immigrant and illegal immigrant magnet and secondary economy, it's no surprise that the ever increasing demands are for everything there, given the ever increasing immigration problem to NY, especially.


174 posted on 01/19/2006 7:51:42 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: petitfour

Then if you live in Virginia and are a voter, you also know you did not declare a party yourself when you registered.


175 posted on 01/19/2006 7:52:13 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: johnny7

I think we all remember that, since it's very much in use. Do you mean you remember its introduction? That's before my time.


176 posted on 01/19/2006 7:53:34 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

Yup. But just because I do not have to register as a Republican does not make me any less a Republican.


177 posted on 01/19/2006 7:55:38 AM PST by petitfour
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To: petitfour

I do not know the answer to that. As to where Mississippi women get them now, I suppose that if not in Jackson, then in neighboring states. The CDC Abortion Surveillance report gives statistics by state; you might see if neighboring states have seemingly elevated rates compared to their own population.


178 posted on 01/19/2006 7:58:12 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

Hmmm...party references...hmmmm....


179 posted on 01/19/2006 7:58:23 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: johnny7
 
Prayer for the Helpless Unborn

Heavenly Father, in Your love for us,  protect against the wickedness of the devil, those helpless little ones to whom You have given the gift of life.

Touch with pity the hearts of those women pregnant in our world today who are not thinking of motherhood.

Help them to see that the child they carry is made in Your image - as well as theirs - made for eternal life.

Dispel their fear and selfishness and give them true womanly hearts to love their babies and give them birth and all the needed care that a mother can give.

We ask this through Jesus Christ, Your Son, Our Lord, Who lives and reigns with You and Holy Spirit, One God, forever and ever. Amen.


180 posted on 01/19/2006 7:58:50 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: petitfour

Then in that case, I would say I'd register Independent if that were an option. I voted Republican for my Congressman, and I generally do, for "business" conservatives.


181 posted on 01/19/2006 7:59:43 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: CarrotAndStick; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback

Ping!


182 posted on 01/19/2006 8:00:13 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jim Noble

Good question.


183 posted on 01/19/2006 8:01:19 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: linda_22003

Well, I voted in the RAT presidential primary in 2004. It was great fun.


184 posted on 01/19/2006 8:03:04 AM PST by petitfour
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To: johnny7

Let's kill my baby...a form of birth control...talk about sick...


185 posted on 01/19/2006 8:03:33 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: johnny7

It's almost beyond belief.


186 posted on 01/19/2006 8:04:10 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: petitfour

The first one they'd had in several years, if I recall correctly. :) I didn't.


187 posted on 01/19/2006 8:05:43 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: md2576

**I don't believe that killing is a right. I am completely against abortion in any circumstance, including rape.**

May God bless you abundantly! Thank you for sharing your story!


188 posted on 01/19/2006 8:07:52 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

He did make clear in a later post that this is not *his* story. If he had put quotation marks around it, he would have saved some people confusion.


189 posted on 01/19/2006 8:09:26 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: johnny7
Prayer shuts these "Houses of Killing" down. Continue to pray and if you can, joing one of the groups near your home praying across the street from the Planned Parenthood places.

Lawrence (KS) abortion clinic closes because of funding woes

Eugene abortion clinic closes; surprising many (Hooray !!!)

Prayer credited for closing of abortion clinic [Eugene, OR]

Planned Parenthood will shut down 3 clinics [Indiana]

Persevering Students Help Close Abortion Clinic [Santa Paula, CA--Thomas Aquinas College]

Abortion Clinic Managers Quit After Being Outed by Operation Rescue [Wichita, Kansas]

One Man's God Squad: Troy Newman's plan to stop abortions in Wichita, Kansas

Baby Saved From Abortion is Baptized [New Orleans]

Thank You Bishop Rhoades: A Personal Account of An Abortion Protest With A Catholic Bishop -- still praying -- Harrisburg, PA

Judges rule civil suits against Planned Parenthood can proceed [Los Angeles, CA]

STOPP Planned Parenthood

CA: Abortion opponents hope to limit access for California girls (Prop 73)

Jill Stanek's Accurate Summary of Cincinnati Abortion Center Closing: 'Debi Does Ohio"

Clinic is caught in the fog of abortion war (Abortion Clinic Closes) [Springfield, Missouri]

PBS program looks at Mississippi's last abortion clinic

190 posted on 01/19/2006 8:11:17 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: linda_22003
I agree times have changed. Travel is cheaper and long-distance travel is more common.

Yes, I remember my joy in 1971, when Pa and Ma finally traded the buckboard and team for an old used car. Gosh, it was liked we owned the road. NOBODY was a-travelin' back then, compared to now.

That 30-cents-a-gallon gas was like to put us in the poorhouse, but we didn't mind cutting back on food and clothing and medicine to get the tank filled.

191 posted on 01/19/2006 8:11:25 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: johnny7

I simply cannot believe that in this day and age, with the myriad of contaceptives available and easily accessible, that there are so many stupid, irresponsible and lazy people out there doing this. Plenty of doctors are providing the service as well, obviously! I just don't know how these people (the women AND the doctors) live with themselves. I couldn't.


192 posted on 01/19/2006 8:11:36 AM PST by usmom
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To: linda_22003

I didn't see that post. Thanks.


193 posted on 01/19/2006 8:12:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Oops.
Prayer shuts these "Houses of Killing" down. Continue to pray and if you can, joing one of the groups near your home praying across the street from the Planned Parenthood places.

Prayer shuts these "Houses of Killing" down. Continue to pray and if you can, join one of the groups near your home praying across the street from the Planned Parenthood places.


194 posted on 01/19/2006 8:13:35 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: linda_22003

Even in the article it says: "The following is based on an interview 28 year-old Gianna Jessen gave to the Independent"

Guess I just missed it.


195 posted on 01/19/2006 8:16:15 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Uncle Vlad
It would seem that the Left, as a whole, is even more suicidal than we thought.

Homicidal might be a better term.

Cordially,

196 posted on 01/19/2006 8:16:35 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Salvation

Thank you for that beautiful post. This article and thread are most depressing.


197 posted on 01/19/2006 8:36:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation

Those numbers are just disturbing.

Do they really tolerate that locally?


198 posted on 01/19/2006 8:38:29 AM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: linda_22003
Did you read the whole article? The point is that women are beginning to travel in order to obtain abortions that are more difficult to get at home. They go back to their red states once they have traveled to New York

What states make abortions hard to get?
199 posted on 01/19/2006 8:39:12 AM PST by Vision ("You guys are literally the cream of the crop of political analysis")
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To: Vision

I'm at work, so I don't really have time to catch you up on a decade or two of legislative restrictions and clinic closings, state by state. :)


200 posted on 01/19/2006 8:42:45 AM PST by linda_22003
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