Skip to comments.The Problem of Illegal Guns [Ba-da-Barf]
Posted on 01/15/2006 5:43:38 AM PST by Pharmboy
Although homicides reported in New York City last year reached their lowest level since 1963, two killings of police officers late in the year raised public awareness of the problem of illegal guns on the citys streets. In his inaugural address on Jan. 1, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg declared that a major goal of his second term would be to rid our streets of guns, and punish all those who possess and traffic in these instruments of death.
Although the total flow of guns into the city is hard to quantify, Police Department statistics show that a majority of illegal guns recovered in the city had last been sold outside New York State.
While the number of illegal guns recovered in the city has declined over the past four years, the number of shootings is little changed. There is also a strong correlation between where shootings occur and where guns are recovered.
Measuring success in taking guns off the street is more straightforward than measuring success in education, which was a main focus of Mr. Bloombergs first term. Over the next four years, the number of guns recovered and the number of shootings will establish clearly whether Mr. Bloomberg has succeeded.
William K. Rashbaum and Al Baker contributed reporting for the charts. Sources for charts: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; New York City Police Department.
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How many people reading this this morning will follow the Slimes logic and conclude that "illegal" guns just aren't illegal enough?
The real crime here is where they try to tie the guns to other states by using the "where the guns were last sold" line.
A firearm purchaser in Pennsylvania goes through the same background check as a firearms purchaser in California. If the buyer comes up clean, the sale goes through.
If that firearm is stolen in a robbery and then sold on the streets of NY (or used in a crime), that is not Pennsylvania's fault.
But liberals doe not care about facts....its all about feel good legislation that increases their power over the people.
Wait... on 2nd thought.......
Building the case for a national ban.
Kinda like lets make murder double dare you illegal.
Nothing liberals do, say or propose makes any sense anymore. I think they like it that way.
More important is the problem of criminals on the city's sidewalks.
Einstein Award candidate.
They need to make murder illegal. THEN, we'll have that socialist utopia.
They are not illegal guns...they are migrant guns!
Excactly. Maybe they'll have Spitzer sue the other state or something.
But that is this year's push - we have suddenly heard the same thing from New York, Boston and even Toronto, places where crime continues to be high despite gun restrictions - "the problem is guns that come from other place."
This is a coordinated effort by the gun grabbers.
LOL. Since the ignorant keep trying to personify guns, lets grant them all the freedoms extended by the Bill of Rights.
A full auto AR-15 is an illegal weapon, a Baretta 9mm semi-auto is not. But the guy holding it is committing an illegal act. Only when the Dems start putting the blame where it belongs, on the criminals, will they ever figure it out.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
God bless our troops wherever they may be.
My goodness - charts, graphs, statistics, maps; everything but the kitchen sink... all calculated deliberately to avoid arriving at the starkly obvious conclusion that firearms are already (all but) illegal, and thus criminals have them and the law-abiding do not - so that the latter cannot defend themselves either against robbery or assault.
Kinda reminds one of the Village Idiot who exerted himself mightily, twisting and thrashing with all his strength, to stand on his head in the town square and whistle "Yankee Doodle" out his butt in order to "prove" that human beings don't speak with their mouths, tongues, and vocal cords.
If Bloomberg would make firearms readily available to the law-abiding, his "gun problem" would go away in a matter of months - but it seems he'd rather stand on his head in the town square. Well, perhaps it's more fun than rational behavior, after all; he certainly gets more attention that way than he would by thinking clearly and acting responsibly.
when are other states going to sue ny city for the loss of all these guns being stolen for the sole purpose of being used for a crime in ny...
Liberal thought processes or the lack thereof never cease to amaze me...
When certain authorities want to show a drop in crime, they simply re-classify certain acts or prosecute the offenders on misdemeanors charges rather than felony charges. Thus, this Bloomberg fool will no doubt classify any gun as "illegal" so as to show great success in "getting them off the street". In fact, nothing deters crime better than having the bad guys unsure about which citizens might be armed and shoot back. Criminals are like pigeons roosting on your house. You need to shoot a few and leave them laying around. The others then leave.
The 75th precinct, which I believe is East New York in Brooklyn, seems to be the worst part of town. I'm sure crack cocaine has nothing to do with this.
Well, if that doesn't work, they figure they always have the double dog dare you illegal to ramp up to.../sarc
The problem of illegal guns is basically that they've made guns illegal.
Arm everyone, lockup or hang the bad guys. Its what the founders intended.
Undocumented, migrant guns!
"The problem of illegal guns is basically that they've made guns illegal."
yep, they just can't add 1 & ! up there. Guns are illegal in NYC and D.C., and those two places have the highest gun crime.
"only criminals will have guns."
The fact that this scenario exists in the US has to be the epitome of stupidity.
Cry about the constitutionality of wiretaps on terrorists yet they don't care when it is done to normal American conservatives. What hypocrits.
Despite a handful of unConstitutional laws, full-auto AR-15s are legal to own in many states of the Union.
If you were to take those maps and then superimpose maps of drug trafficking, I would imagine they would be nearly an exact match.
I see the restrictions coming at the state and local level, not the federal level. Any city with a RAT mayor and council will push for gun control.
- Yehuda NRA / NJOP
All they have to do is use the laws that already exist. But, they'd rather ban the guns than the criminals...
Actually, it's pot.
Detective Patrick Caprice, who approached a suspect at a car stop in Brooklyn after he observed him purchasing marijuana, when the suspect suddenly began firing first from inside the vehicle, and then from outside. As Detective Caprice fell to the street, wounded to the abdomen, arm, and chest, the shooter reentered his car and began to flee. Detective Caprice managed to climb to one knee, steady his aim, and return fire, striking his assailant multiple times as he fled. The suspect later died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
On June 14, Officer Chris Wiesneski, on scooter patrol outside of a Queens park encountered an armed individual smoking marijuana. As the officer approached with his gun drawn, the suspect engaged Officer Wiesneski in a struggle over the officer's gun. Despite being badly wounded to the knee when the gun discharged, Officer Wiesneski radioed for assistance, providing a detailed description and a direction of flight of the perpetrator. The suspect was subsequently arrested by detectives.
Is it really that bad?
Fewer crimes, more complaints in city's toughest precinct
"In the last year, under Operation Trident, the results in the 75th have been dramatic: 100 fewer cars were stolen compared to 2004, 125 fewer people were robbed, 91 fewer places were burglarized, and there were 75 fewer felony assaults.
"I think it's been a tremendous success," Kelly told reporters recently. "We've gotten very positive feedback from the community. The program has worked well for us."
Yo, Condorboy. If you look at the areas in Brooklyn with the highest rate of homicide on that map, they are largely populated with folks who speak English, albeit sometimes with a Caribbean accent.
It is better than it's been since the '60s...but anything to to pump up the antigunner crowd. Just don't confuse them with facts.
Actually both statements are false. A full auto AR-15 is completely legal, if you've paid the proper tax (to do this the AR must have been made before 1986). A Baretta 9mm is illegal in some jurisdictions, several municipalities in Illinois ban all handguns for instance.
Of course both are completely legal, as are *all* other arms, under the US Constitution.
God bless our troops wherever they may be.