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The Problem of Illegal Guns [Ba-da-Barf]
NY Times ^ | January 15, 2006 | JAMES BRONZAN

Posted on 01/15/2006 5:43:38 AM PST by Pharmboy

Although homicides reported in New York City last year reached their lowest level since 1963, two killings of police officers late in the year raised public awareness of the problem of illegal guns on the city’s streets. In his inaugural address on Jan. 1, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg declared that a major goal of his second term would be to “rid our streets of guns, and punish all those who possess and traffic in these instruments of death.”

Although the total flow of guns into the city is hard to quantify, Police Department statistics show that a majority of illegal guns recovered in the city had last been sold outside New York State.

While the number of illegal guns recovered in the city has declined over the past four years, the number of shootings is little changed. There is also a strong correlation between where shootings occur and where guns are recovered.

Measuring success in taking guns off the street is more straightforward than measuring success in education, which was a main focus of Mr. Bloomberg’s first term. Over the next four years, the number of guns recovered and the number of shootings will establish clearly whether Mr. Bloomberg has succeeded.

William K. Rashbaum and Al Baker contributed reporting for the charts. Sources for charts: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; New York City Police Department.


(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York; US: North Carolina; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradywatch; guns; leavemygunsalone; lockemup
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This actually had less editorializing and bad statistics than I thought it would. But where is their logic when they cite the fact that murders are waaaay down--why? Because the bad guys are locked up for longer these days...
1 posted on 01/15/2006 5:43:40 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

How many people reading this this morning will follow the Slimes logic and conclude that "illegal" guns just aren't illegal enough?


2 posted on 01/15/2006 5:48:57 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: Pharmboy

The real crime here is where they try to tie the guns to other states by using the "where the guns were last sold" line.

A firearm purchaser in Pennsylvania goes through the same background check as a firearms purchaser in California. If the buyer comes up clean, the sale goes through.

If that firearm is stolen in a robbery and then sold on the streets of NY (or used in a crime), that is not Pennsylvania's fault.

But liberals doe not care about facts....its all about feel good legislation that increases their power over the people.


3 posted on 01/15/2006 5:49:37 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Pharmboy
These 'statistics' are as useless as the one that would prove that a majority of gun crimes in NYC, or for that matter a majority of all crimes in NYC, were committed by people with brown eyes and black hair. And a sub grouping of that statistic would prove that of these criminals, English was their second language.

Wait... on 2nd thought.......

4 posted on 01/15/2006 5:59:51 AM PST by Condor51 (The above comment is time sensitive - don't BUG ME an hour from now.)
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To: Pharmboy

Building the case for a national ban.


5 posted on 01/15/2006 6:08:57 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: raybbr
Excellent point...yeah, that's it...let's make them more illegal...tha'll do it.
6 posted on 01/15/2006 6:16:52 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy

Kinda like lets make murder double dare you illegal.

Nothing liberals do, say or propose makes any sense anymore. I think they like it that way.


7 posted on 01/15/2006 6:19:31 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Yep...that is their agenda. But, just as they had no chance of stopping Alito (big story in The Times today on "glum democrats") I think they know in their heart of hearts they stand no chance of winning on this one.
8 posted on 01/15/2006 6:19:51 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: thefactor

Ping...


9 posted on 01/15/2006 6:21:38 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
... the problem of illegal guns on the city’s streets

More important is the problem of criminals on the city's sidewalks.

10 posted on 01/15/2006 6:22:26 AM PST by catpuppy
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There is also a strong correlation between where shootings occur and where guns are recovered.

Einstein Award candidate.

11 posted on 01/15/2006 6:24:08 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: raybbr

They need to make murder illegal. THEN, we'll have that socialist utopia.


12 posted on 01/15/2006 6:26:53 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Pharmboy

They are not illegal guns...they are migrant guns!


13 posted on 01/15/2006 6:35:06 AM PST by Cyclops08
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To: Pharmboy
He is just following the lead of the far left,gun grabbing, for the murder of unborn babies and for queer marriage Rudy.
Rudy screamed worse than Dean about Florida selling guns.
14 posted on 01/15/2006 6:37:24 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the back, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: Cyclops08

LOL!!


15 posted on 01/15/2006 6:40:49 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye


Excactly. Maybe they'll have Spitzer sue the other state or something.

But that is this year's push - we have suddenly heard the same thing from New York, Boston and even Toronto, places where crime continues to be high despite gun restrictions - "the problem is guns that come from other place."

This is a coordinated effort by the gun grabbers.


16 posted on 01/15/2006 6:41:16 AM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: Cyclops08

LOL. Since the ignorant keep trying to personify guns, lets grant them all the freedoms extended by the Bill of Rights.


17 posted on 01/15/2006 6:50:22 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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To: Pharmboy
Morons!

A full auto AR-15 is an illegal weapon, a Baretta 9mm semi-auto is not. But the guy holding it is committing an illegal act. Only when the Dems start putting the blame where it belongs, on the criminals, will they ever figure it out.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

God bless our troops wherever they may be.

18 posted on 01/15/2006 6:55:36 AM PST by JusticeTalion (Vulcan's never bluff.)
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To: Pharmboy

My goodness - charts, graphs, statistics, maps; everything but the kitchen sink... all calculated deliberately to avoid arriving at the starkly obvious conclusion that firearms are already (all but) illegal, and thus criminals have them and the law-abiding do not - so that the latter cannot defend themselves either against robbery or assault.

Kinda reminds one of the Village Idiot who exerted himself mightily, twisting and thrashing with all his strength, to stand on his head in the town square and whistle "Yankee Doodle" out his butt in order to "prove" that human beings don't speak with their mouths, tongues, and vocal cords.

If Bloomberg would make firearms readily available to the law-abiding, his "gun problem" would go away in a matter of months - but it seems he'd rather stand on his head in the town square. Well, perhaps it's more fun than rational behavior, after all; he certainly gets more attention that way than he would by thinking clearly and acting responsibly.


19 posted on 01/15/2006 6:56:34 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Erik Latranyi

when are other states going to sue ny city for the loss of all these guns being stolen for the sole purpose of being used for a crime in ny...

teeman


20 posted on 01/15/2006 6:58:30 AM PST by teeman8r
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