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The Problem of Illegal Guns [Ba-da-Barf]
NY Times ^ | January 15, 2006 | JAMES BRONZAN

Posted on 01/15/2006 5:43:38 AM PST by Pharmboy

Although homicides reported in New York City last year reached their lowest level since 1963, two killings of police officers late in the year raised public awareness of the problem of illegal guns on the city’s streets. In his inaugural address on Jan. 1, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg declared that a major goal of his second term would be to “rid our streets of guns, and punish all those who possess and traffic in these instruments of death.”

Although the total flow of guns into the city is hard to quantify, Police Department statistics show that a majority of illegal guns recovered in the city had last been sold outside New York State.

While the number of illegal guns recovered in the city has declined over the past four years, the number of shootings is little changed. There is also a strong correlation between where shootings occur and where guns are recovered.

Measuring success in taking guns off the street is more straightforward than measuring success in education, which was a main focus of Mr. Bloomberg’s first term. Over the next four years, the number of guns recovered and the number of shootings will establish clearly whether Mr. Bloomberg has succeeded.

William K. Rashbaum and Al Baker contributed reporting for the charts. Sources for charts: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; New York City Police Department.


(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York; US: North Carolina; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradywatch; guns; leavemygunsalone; lockemup
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To: Erik Latranyi

Liberal thought processes or the lack thereof never cease to amaze me...


21 posted on 01/15/2006 7:02:02 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: raybbr

When certain authorities want to show a drop in crime, they simply re-classify certain acts or prosecute the offenders on misdemeanors charges rather than felony charges. Thus, this Bloomberg fool will no doubt classify any gun as "illegal" so as to show great success in "getting them off the street". In fact, nothing deters crime better than having the bad guys unsure about which citizens might be armed and shoot back. Criminals are like pigeons roosting on your house. You need to shoot a few and leave them laying around. The others then leave.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 7:06:37 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Pharmboy

--b--


23 posted on 01/15/2006 7:28:24 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Cyclops08
I like the way you think.

The 75th precinct, which I believe is East New York in Brooklyn, seems to be the worst part of town. I'm sure crack cocaine has nothing to do with this.

24 posted on 01/15/2006 7:29:23 AM PST by robomurph
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To: Tarpon
Kinda like lets make murder double dare you illegal.

Well, if that doesn't work, they figure they always have the double dog dare you illegal to ramp up to.../sarc

25 posted on 01/15/2006 7:31:05 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Pharmboy
Those maps and charts show the absolute numbers of illegal guns and shootings. If such guns and shootings are evenly distributed among the population, then the dark areas would simply be the higher population districts. This would show a "correlation" between illegal guns and shootings where no causation exists.
26 posted on 01/15/2006 7:59:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Pharmboy

The problem of illegal guns is basically that they've made guns illegal.

Arm everyone, lockup or hang the bad guys. Its what the founders intended.


27 posted on 01/15/2006 8:29:57 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Cyclops08
They are not illegal guns...they are migrant guns!

Undocumented, migrant guns!

28 posted on 01/15/2006 8:32:33 AM PST by relee
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To: festus

"The problem of illegal guns is basically that they've made guns illegal."

yep, they just can't add 1 & ! up there. Guns are illegal in NYC and D.C., and those two places have the highest gun crime.
"only criminals will have guns."

The fact that this scenario exists in the US has to be the epitome of stupidity.


29 posted on 01/15/2006 9:33:45 AM PST by lrb111 (Minutemen - Doing jobs the White House won't do.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Liberals...
Cry about the constitutionality of wiretaps on terrorists yet they don't care when it is done to normal American conservatives. What hypocrits.


30 posted on 01/15/2006 3:06:38 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: JusticeTalion
JusticeTalion said: "A full auto AR-15 is an illegal weapon, a Baretta 9mm semi-auto is not. "

Despite a handful of unConstitutional laws, full-auto AR-15s are legal to own in many states of the Union.

31 posted on 01/15/2006 3:23:31 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Pharmboy

If you were to take those maps and then superimpose maps of drug trafficking, I would imagine they would be nearly an exact match.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 3:25:11 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Pharmboy

I see the restrictions coming at the state and local level, not the federal level. Any city with a RAT mayor and council will push for gun control.


33 posted on 01/15/2006 5:35:17 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Yehuda

All they have to do is use the laws that already exist. But, they'd rather ban the guns than the criminals...


35 posted on 01/16/2006 3:06:24 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: robomurph
"The 75th precinct, which I believe is East New York in Brooklyn, seems to be the worst part of town. I'm sure crack cocaine has nothing to do with this."

Actually, it's pot.

Detective Patrick Caprice, who approached a suspect at a car stop in Brooklyn after he observed him purchasing marijuana, when the suspect suddenly began firing first from inside the vehicle, and then from outside. As Detective Caprice fell to the street, wounded to the abdomen, arm, and chest, the shooter reentered his car and began to flee. Detective Caprice managed to climb to one knee, steady his aim, and return fire, striking his assailant multiple times as he fled. The suspect later died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

On June 14, Officer Chris Wiesneski, on scooter patrol outside of a Queens park encountered an armed individual smoking marijuana. As the officer approached with his gun drawn, the suspect engaged Officer Wiesneski in a struggle over the officer's gun. Despite being badly wounded to the knee when the gun discharged, Officer Wiesneski radioed for assistance, providing a detailed description and a direction of flight of the perpetrator. The suspect was subsequently arrested by detectives.

36 posted on 01/16/2006 3:24:53 AM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Pharmboy

Is it really that bad?

Fewer crimes, more complaints in city's toughest precinct

"In the last year, under Operation Trident, the results in the 75th have been dramatic: 100 fewer cars were stolen compared to 2004, 125 fewer people were robbed, 91 fewer places were burglarized, and there were 75 fewer felony assaults.

"I think it's been a tremendous success," Kelly told reporters recently. "We've gotten very positive feedback from the community. The program has worked well for us."

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/nyc-prof0108,0,7329895.story?coll=nyc-homepage-mezzbox


37 posted on 01/16/2006 3:29:48 AM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Condor51

Yo, Condorboy. If you look at the areas in Brooklyn with the highest rate of homicide on that map, they are largely populated with folks who speak English, albeit sometimes with a Caribbean accent.


38 posted on 01/16/2006 3:31:45 AM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: endthematrix

It is better than it's been since the '60s...but anything to to pump up the antigunner crowd. Just don't confuse them with facts.


39 posted on 01/16/2006 5:19:46 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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