Skip to comments.New evidence renews conspiracy debate [OKC bombing update]
Posted on 01/15/2006 6:07:14 AM PST by johnny7
Kenneth Trentadue was no angel. In the 1980s, he did time for robbing banks. But in a strange twist, the circumstances behind his violent death 10 years ago in prison are playing out in federal court in a case that hints at a wider conspiracy in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Recently released documents unearthed because of a lawsuit against the FBI suggest that the long-standing allegations may not be so far-fetched. The lawsuit, brought by Trentadues brother, Jesse, has convinced a federal judge in Salt Lake City to order the FBI to produce hundreds of sealed documents in recent months, and even members of Congress are backing him in his fight for additional information.
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Jayna Davis, "The 3rd Terrorist" is a must read.
These threads always crack me up because you know a lot of FReepers eagerly begin to read them expecting to hear tales of hordes of Muslim Arab terrorists being involved just like most of the stuff they've read on FR and WND and whatnot before, only to find stuff about Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists and Elohim City and whatnot and no mention of Muslims or Arabs...they tend not to get many replies.
That may be true, but there was a reporter on Art Bell last night who said Timothy McVeigh placed tons of calls to the Phillipines before the OKC bombing occured. I know they have some wackos on that show, but this person sounded fairly normal.
Why was this man murdered in federal custody? Why did the federal government lie about what happened there, includin producing a roll of "evidence" film taken in his jail cell, on which the images are provably out of order? (In other words, they were taken in a different order than they appear on film.) Conspiracy and coverup at the highest levels, irrespective of the involvement of racists and bigots.
Ever read Davis's book?
You mean the thousands of iraqis re-populated to the area by the bush administration following Gulf Military Action I?
Who are you... Bill Gertz?
And, unfortunately for Saddamn, his record-keeping practices as well.
Terry Nichols was married to a muslim Phillipina, and he made numerous trips to the Southern Phillipines, where Abu Sayef operates, mostly with impunity.
and that both sported a tattoo of a dragon on their left arms.
The medical examiner later said that if indeed it was a hanging, it was the bloodiest and most violent one he had ever handled.
A medical examiners report shows he contacted Justice Department representatives, telling them that although he could not determine the exact cause of death, he thought Kenneth Trentadue had been tortured.
In November, Trentadue filed more documents in court, including a sealed transcript of a hearing in an unrelated case. At the hearing, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent said that prior to the bombing, an undercover informant at Elohim City told authorities of a threat to blow up federal buildings. The informants testimony, however, was not allowed at McVeighs trial.
How many times has the BATF(E) denied that they had an informant in Elohim City, and specifically denied that they even knew who Carol Howe was?
(The New American had this right all along.)
His attorney brother is sure stretching things. Ok, let's see. 1) Kenneth Trentadue had the dragon tatoo on his left arm. 2) His hobby was robbing banks. 3) Who's to say Bubba & Co didn't work him over and that's why he hung himself. 4) It's hogwash to say he looks anything like John Doe #2.
MORE covered-up evil from the KLIN-TON administration.
Actually Saddam patterned himself after Stalin - not Hitler.
maybe Strategerist is just generalizing based on their own experience
Let's look at another posibility, I'm not saying it's correct: 1) The perp was beaten up in a dust-up with prison guards. 2) He hung himself. 3) The attorney is on a fishing expedition for personal reasons. We don't know squat about this.
They were afraid of driving the truck around town more than absolutely necessary, and they ordered Chinese take-out to their hotel room.
The man who delivered the food to the hotel room told the FBI that while there he had seen a man in the room with McVeigh, and he looked like a Middle-Easterner.
During the 9/11 Commission Lehman asked Louis Freeh if the was any truth to the "Third Terrorist" information. His eyes kind of shifted and he replied "I've never heard of it". Lehman never asked a follow up question. It smells.
Jose Padilla is on record as speaking spanish, english and arabic.
He's my candidate for John Doe # 2.
I agree. He's a dead ringer. Obviously the Feds believe that there is something "special" about Padilla too. One day we'll find out what the deal is with him.
But it is true that one of the fastest-growing ethnicities into which Islam is making inroads is among Hispanics. They are recruited in US prisons, but more and more in Mexico.
Say, when was the Gorelick memo written, anyway? Was that before or after the OKC Bombing? That would have prevented this info getting from agency to agency...
Yeah... I once cut my throat and beat the sh_t out of myself... only to chicken-out when it came to the hanging part. I also know a lot of goombah's who committed suicide with two-in-the-cap.
It may be because a lot of us have read The Third Terrorist and agree with James Woolsey, former CIA Director, that when the truth is known about OKC, the world will owe a debt of gratitude to the author, Jayna Davis.
And so, when we read contrary theories about who was REALLY behind the bombing, we don't belive them. Because Davis's work was so compelling.
I don't find anything on that name or close to it in spelling.
I'm not one of those crybabies who wants you to do my research for me, but how about another hint?
Never mind, got him. Will read.
Nazis and Muslim Jihadis have a long history of cooperation.
If this guy was a white supremacist, he wasn't very good at it.
However, I've followed in FR and retain total belief in a cover up of some sort, for three reasons:
1) The JFK killing, the Hoover Commission & everything subsequent to them.
2) Inherent cynicism, in part due to number 1..
3) If the FBI could make a case against ANY white supremacist group - without admitting that 66% of the members were FBI themselves - Clinton would have been all over the media telling how he'd single handedly discovered the heart and soul of the vast right wing conspiracy.
Reminds me of the biker in Florida who committed suicide by shooting himself six times in the back while in custody. Dedicated people.
Now let's get back to 'Able Danger'. OR Flight 800.
When you add to that that the police sketch of John Doe #3 is a damn near PERFECT match to Jose Padilla, you really do have to start looking at Muslims/Arab terrorists and not a bunch of Klannish bank robbers. (And, there is no evidence, AT ALL that these bank robbers practiced "terroristm" as in blowing up buildings.)
Nichols, not McVeigh, placed the calls to the Philippines, and was IN the Phillippines, in the SAME CITY, as, (could be wrong on the specific terrorist) I think, Ramsi Yousef in previous months. There is circumstantial evidence that, in fact, Nichols and (again, I think it's Yousef) could ahve met.
This is an argument against the death penalty. Information, possibly valuable, died with McVeigh.
Foil hat time.
I suspect this is disinformation to take the heat of the real John Doe 2 Jose Padilla who is a dead ringer for the police skeh.
Marking to read later...
So you think McVeigh is really dead? I've always had my doubts about that. It was just too pat, too quick. Real life isn't that cut and dried and certainly there hasn't been any execution in decades, perhaps even a century to occur that fast.
Also, don't you think McVeigh had the look and bearing of an officer doing his duty? I think the whole OKC bombing was a huge government FUBAR and the simple way to fix it was to have McVeigh as the fall guy. Everybody's happy now. The bad guy is dead.
Honestly, I hadn't thought of that. Who knows? I do find it difficult to believe that the Oklahoma City bombing had nothing to do with the clandestine war that Islamic extremists were waging against the U.S. the time, a war that became overt on September 11, 2001.
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