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To: Bobibutu

There's something about this that doesn't sound right. Unless I see the orders, I'm not going to accept this as fact. It's all hearsay and second or third hand.

I will consider this a non-story until the orders are produced, in writing.


3 posted on 01/15/2006 9:37:35 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

ping


5 posted on 01/15/2006 9:38:55 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: MineralMan
"Currently nine U.S. generals stationed in Afghanistan are reportedly wearing Pinnacle Dragon Skin body armor, according to company spokesman Paul Chopra. Chopra, a retired Army chief warrant officer and 20+-year pilot in the famed 160th "Nightstalkers" Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne), said his company was merely told the generals wanted to "evaluate" the body armor in a combat environment. Chopra said he did not know the names of the general officers wearing the Dragon Skin. "

I dunno...that sounds pretty believable to me. (sarcasm)
6 posted on 01/15/2006 9:41:56 AM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: MineralMan

I'm not going to accept this as fact." So....you would not want your son wearing non-issue armor if DOD said their gear (by definition older and cheaper, from lowest bidder) was as good, or almost as good, maybe; but no matter, orders is orders?


10 posted on 01/15/2006 9:48:39 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: MineralMan
"Several months ago DefenseWatch began receiving anecdotal reports from individual soldiers that they were being forced to remove all non-issue gear while in theater"

This is a matter of individual commanders, not the Army as a whole. I was in Iraq until July of last year. My Brigade fell under the control of two divisions. Both division commanders, although insisting on all soldiers wearing the Army issued Body Armor (with additions--and we all had the Body Armor, at least, everyone that came into contact with while in theater), they were lax, even encouraging, on the issue of additional, "unauthorized" non-issue items. We had a heyday on Ranger Joe's .com getting more comfortable, easier to use ammo pouches, weapons slings, gloves, and ballistic eye wear (shock resistant sunglasses-oakleys among the most popular.) My Company commander was probably the poster boy for wearing store bought "tactical" items.
19 posted on 01/15/2006 9:54:35 AM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: MineralMan

Have to agree, this just doesn't make sense.


25 posted on 01/15/2006 10:00:58 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: MineralMan
I don't know about that. It's not that unprecedented. I read an account of LOH operations in Vietnam. There was a
standing order that crews had to wear the ceramic breastplate insert, for instance, iirc.

For some unremembered reason, some proportion preferred to forego the additional protection, necessitating the order.

In the current circumstance, it could be anything from non "certified" body armor/insurance bureaucracy, Interceptor
screaming to either DoD or US Reps in the districts of their factories, or even Interceptor's competitors making waves.

Maybe Linda Daschle is a lobbyist for one of the companies. She doesn't do the country or taxpayers any favors. She
gets paid to push bad deals or bad products on the country.

49 posted on 01/15/2006 10:39:46 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: MineralMan
"There's something about this that doesn't sound right."

I agree ... especially the neat tie in with a piece of marketing from the manufacturer of Dragon Skin, stating that several generals are wearing it. If the action against soldiers using Dragon Skin is not as stated, and can be qualified with other context, then this is a coordinated piece of "push-pull" marketing.
56 posted on 01/15/2006 11:45:10 AM PST by One_who_hopes_to_know
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