Skip to comments.Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
Posted on 01/15/2006 4:00:20 PM PST by armydawg1
Jack Murtha's 'Fake' Purple Hearts - An Open Letter
May 5, 2002
Im writing on matters of joint concern. A number of weeks ago I was talking with someone who is a mutual acquaintance and your name came up. It was an unusually frank discussion and I considered it private. I did relate some opinions about you and shared some recollections about experiences with you in Congress. I was, to be honest, critical about how you misled me about ABSCAM where you convinced me you had voluntarily told federal agents about the offer of money to you and I learned later, after I had successfully defeated the ethics charges against you, that you had merely manipulated the system to cooperate with federal agents to avoid prosecution.
I also shared my recollection of when you admitted, back in our corner, that you didnt earn your purple hearts (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasnt even directly related to an APC that ran over a small anti personnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart you even declined to explain.
At the time you were feeling particularly vulnerable, because it wasnt too long after you had called me crying and sobbing, thanking me for saving your life before the ethics committee. There was no doubt in my mind that you were expressing to me that you did not believe you did anything sufficient to earn the purple heart, and that you didnt want to be active in my efforts to laud Vietnam Veterans that served with us.
Given what I know about the brave men who served in the Marine Corp., I did not criticize you, but to be honest, I was shocked and disappointed in you personally. We both knew what was at issue, and we both know what happened and that you wanted to avoid the limelight. Later, we ended up having to run for the same seat. It was a good clean race and I admit I knew I couldnt win, simply on the basis of voter turn out alone. During that time some people came to me with documents indicating you had used influence, after the fact, or had embellished your purple heart awards. I did not respond, and I said nothing. In doing so I may have betrayed my comrades in arms because I knew then what you had told me in the corner of the house - but I had told no one about that and I stood mute. But a few weeks ago my conversation was private and I was not seeking to do you any harm, though it would be ridiculous for me to infer that I have any respect for what youve done.
Regardless, shortly thereafter a reporter called me and I was put in a very different position. I could either deny what I said in private conversation, and thus lie, or I could fess up to the truth, or, I could take the cowards way out and stand mute. If I say something, I should either have the courage to back it up, or I shouldnt open my mouth. Regardless it was too late, and I did not choose to lie. So I admitted to what I had said. However, I later received two calls from two different aides of yours, and later I was called a liar in the press. I am not a liar and I want an apology for the remarks you authorized that I didnt tell the truth about our conversation. I dont know how you got yourself awarded the purple hearts, but I know you indicated you didnt earn them.
By the way. Im not an ingrate. I deeply appreciate the help you gave me for the last governors primary. In fact, out of respect for you, when I realized that the race was going no where, I didnt even cash the check you sent, (which I kept). Being grateful for your help, I have not sought to hurt you - but I will not betray or exploit the young men who died while fighting, with me, for this country. Never coming forward is one thing - I never have. Lying is another. Coincidentally I just settled an 11-year old law suit with Barbara Hafer where she apologized in writing for campaign defamation and admitted that federal agents (Thornburghs political friends) lied to her. I will not accept your falsehoods now. Enough is enough.
You clearly indicated to me in a moment of weakness, that you hadnt deserved the purple hearts and there was no confusion on that. You may deny that all you wish - but you and I know that that conversation took place. Please apologize now. You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts. But even if you were awarded the medals later, there should be affidavits from witnesses. These things should be easy to get - where are they? I bet they dont exist Jack because you are the one whos lying. Luckily theres one easy way to settle all this. Call a press conference. Explain where you were and what you were doing when you got the purple hearts. Explain who was with you and treated your wounds, but most important Jack describe your wounds or the lack thereof, as you did for me, years ago. I am absolutely certain that you wont do that - because, though you may have manipulated some paperwork that says you were awarded the medals (for political purposes) you cant produce the witnesses or documents to show any wounds or circumstances under which they occurred.Unless the Marine Corps gives out medals for unsubstantiated non -combat related telltale scratches, procured for use in political campaign - then show me the money Jack - because there should at least be evidence by affidavit, or record of the scratches, thats what getting a purple heart requires - show me.
You may be able to take advantage of a few Washington reporters who dont have sufficient experience to understand - but you cant fool combat veterans of the Vietnam war by hiding behind Unit losses - were used to those stories. I have my orders describing my combat awards Jack - to back up my DD-214. Wheres yours? And Jack - dont ever call me a liar.
Submitted by Kelly Anne
"I said, you vets go after him. Have at it. Which part of that didn't you understand?"
And what did you not get from Karl Rove?
Are you claiming to be the "new Karl Rove"?
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
Don't' get me wrong; I'm all for going after Murtha if it can be proven beyond a doubt. However, I think he's more vulnerable on his ethics/corruption problems since being in office, would have a lot more jail time thereby, and what would such an investigation do to Pelosi's Republican corruption allegations?
Think about this long and hard. What would be the best way to both 1) Get at Murtha and 2) Bring the corruption home to roost with the Dimocrats?
Whether Murtha goes down for service fraud or corruption makes no difference to me. It just seems there's more than one way to skin this rat.
>>>>I'm all for going after him tooth & nail. I simply believe the accusation against his military service ought to come from his service group; not Freepers, or anyone else for that matter.
Why not anyone else? It was his service record that got him the position he holds. And, while in this position, his support and funding of the Afghan incident created funding for WTC'93.
Sheik Rahman was also instrumental in WTC'01 (see Lynne Stewart).
That makes it all of our concern.
>>> Believe me, there's method in my madness.
I'm listening. Share and maybe I'll agree.
Damn..another REMF with a GW he didn't deserve.
Whats the chance of someone having built a political career on that...LOL.../wise-a**
>>>>Don't' get me wrong; I'm all for going after Murtha if it can be proven beyond a doubt. However, I think he's more vulnerable on his ethics/corruption problems since being in office, would have a lot more jail time thereby, and what would such an investigation do to Pelosi's Republican corruption allegations?
Why do these statements, which I'm seeing on these threads by others also, give me the impression that the service record is off limits to hide more? Who is being protected here?
No one would be going after Murtha if he wasnt going after our troops and aiding our enemies.
Unfortunately, when we let the little things go, they have a way of coming back as bigger things.
The only reason that Murtha is becoming a media darling now is that the Democrats are desperate for a war hero to counter the argument that they are weak on national defense.
When you consider that Jimmy Carter was their last war "hero" as a Navy submariner, followed by Dukakis in the tank, Clinton the draft dodger, Gore the protected "war correspondent", Kerry's quick service and anti-war protests, and then fired NATO commander Wesley Clark, the Democrats are foisting Murtha on the public as their next greatest war hero.
I think it's more damaging to let them let Murtha speak from the cloak of authority as a war hero, than for Republicans to be seen going after an old guy who's not running for higher office. You just can't let these things go by anymore, not in today's tough political world. They made the rules, we have to play by them.
The timing sounds like he was being groomed for a political career, and a tour in VN was a necessary "ticket punch" for that career. His bio lists him as being a captain in '59. Haven't seen what rank he was in '66, but I don't think he was leading from the front by that point
I would be curious as to his family history
"Is this what we really want to do?"
Seems like it's running about 8-2
8 for 2 against
That's just an unofficial guess.
This seems awful 'loose' and questionable material to be basing an investigation on. And without him signing a 180 and releasing his records I don't think anything short of a purposeful challenge to him by his service 'buddies' will carry much, if any weight.
That's why I believe he's more open to the corruption charges and without further evidence believe that would be a preferable route. I would love to see him taken down as much as the next Freeper, I just don't want it to come back and haunt us.
Ouch -- I'll bet this was a serious enough hit to "earn" a Purple Heart!
Actually, the CNS article came out AFTER it was brought up on FR on a Code Pink article.
Murtha is the one that keeps bringing up his service record.
I wonder if any GOPers would be hurt if that can of worms was open.
Giving a ton of leyway to Murtha (being a fellow US Marine), his diengeuous statements are truly his current ideals and he's justified them to himself in some convoluted form of anti-government rhetorical posturing.
Which brings into question his sanity.
Concurrently, his Purple Hearts coming into focus seems like simple copy cat political attacks left over from sKerry.
You know, those words are very similar to the ones that have been uttered, muttered, and screeched by the left against Bush....
Murtha better put some ice on that.
Murtha was in the Reserves for a long while, then volunteers to go to Nam in '66-67, gets a few decorations, then gets elected to the Pennsylvania house in the 68 elections.
Then over the next 23 years he never receives has a significant deployment or receives another award until his DSM kiss at his retirement in 1990? Hmmmmmmm.......
He was an Intelligence Officer, not a Commanding Officer.
Since a famous incident on Guadalcanal, The Marines have perfered Their intellegence officer chained to a field desk, rock, or some other nonmovable object and not in the field looking for the enemy.
Lt Colonel Frank Goettge earned his Purple Heart the hard way on Guadalcanal, he died for it, leading a small patrol in search of intelligence, and as such has been The example of what a good Intelligence officer should never do, go off and look for the enemy.
Add that to the list of why Muthra's Purple Hearts are suspect, They fly in the face of Marine SOP.
I agree; he does! All the time! Lets just say we agree on the goal but aren't quite there yet on the method of achieving it.
Have a good one! I have to get some meds in me and some rest or I'll be hurtin' for certain.
Exactly. I'm suprised at those on this thread who would give a free pass to someone who may have received military awards through fraud. They must hold concepts such as honor and integrity in low regard.
I agree with you. He's a deluded old man. Leave him alone.
Although I'm new here (since November) I've gained a lot of respect for FR and its people. I'd hate to see anything impugn its fine reputation.
Sorry, but I have to leave it at that. I have to get some meds in me or I'll be in trouble.
It's on him whether or not he did or did not earn the Purple Hearts. He has to live with that.
But his arguements have been shot down several times, the military and the vets already hate his guts, so to speak.
There is very little, if any, gain to be had in going after him like that. It's in the past when he is giving up a LOT of stuff to be used now.
I've seen most of the threads on this guy Don Bailey.It's compelling, but how can we know it's true?
The way I see it, Murtha is an EX-Marine, he turned his back on the Corps.It's as if he had no military service at all.
But,if we want to demand he sign a SF180 and release his medical records, that's fair game.We have to be prepared to listen to the "How dare you question my patriotism" crap.But so what? We know that drill.
If Murtha is proud of his service,he has nothing to hide.
There is a matter of truth. If you dont want to know the facts about traitors just read the nation and code pink news and stay out of FR.
the truth is always worth pursuing no matter the outcome.
The paper work doesnt lie and if he stands by the record let us see the record. I you do not want to know what is true so that you can make an informed decision you must be a democrat.
Joe, I suspect the good Colonel has a very serious drinking problem. Even old farts like myself don't look like Murtha unless we imbibe a good 1-2 jugs a day.
Just a thought.
"If Murtha is proud of his service,he has nothing to hide."
Now who else do we "know" who has
refused to release ALL of his military records?
If you desire the truth but fear the criticism then your opinion will be given to you when we think you need it. Fear not what can not kill you.
When you are done with whatever you needed to do, I'm still interested in listening to the method of your madness that you mentioned in post 50.
Bullshit. ABSCAM Murtha is as dirty and implicated as they come.
It doesn't seem to me that going after an old senile guy accomplishes much and in fact is a waste of ammunition.
The French guy, Hanoi John.Still no medical records and the SF180 was a limited release.
Murtha won't release anything, other than another whining attack.But there's nothing wrong with putting him in that position.
'---a lot of vets who received purple hearts will tell you what they did wasn't bbetter than others did who didn't receive purple hearts--'
Very true--however, it seems that Murthas awards were "requested"??---by whom??---if Murtha did it it he pulled the same stuff Kerry did to make sure it was a military record for posterity---whey not get the answer to that?
Did the Swift Vets have any members that understood legal?
Why can't we file citizen complaints with criminal charges against these people? Our elected officials certainly aren't doing their job. Maybe we don't need elected officials.
You obviously did not have any family harmed by this useless POS. I did. May he get, and his family get, everything deserved. He brought it upon himself. Bill Casey was NOT the bad man.
What will be gained is that he will be prevented from speaking as the sole source of expertise in the field of military endevour as well as The expert on the moral of our troops there.
That is afterall how he is being portrayed in the press, The lone voice of reason as well as the expert on everything.
Based upon a sole Marine Reservist's tour in Viet Nam, better braver men then him are being ignored and we are being told to do nothing, to say nothing, to relax and wait for what might happen or for his fifteen minutes of fame to evaporate.
If his awards are bogus, then his entire congressional career has been based upon a fraud unchallenged until now and if it remains unchallenged then he will be re-elected yet again and free to continue his lies about the war.
lol, great display of Kerry purple heart bandaids.
In all seriousness, Murtha's raging dementia is fed and encouraged by the media that currently adores him.
Where were his adoring followers in Code Pink and the media when he was making all of his hospital visits before he spoke out for our enemies?
Murtha is a classic example of every day having to say more and more outlandish things to stay in the media spotlight. Eventually they will tire of him as they have Cindy Mediawhore Sheehan.
John O'Neil is a lawyer in Houston.
God bless you.
Murtha's treason can not go unanswered.
Well said Marine.