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Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
Strange Military.com ^ | Jan 12, 2006 | Kelly Anne & Don Bailey

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:00:20 PM PST by armydawg1

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To: Calpernia

You and I would fall into the "not anyone else" category. I still have not received a response from the insiders. I contend that they are covering for a traitor.


151 posted on 01/15/2006 8:57:52 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

And my post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts?page=53#53

States why 'not anyone else' should.


152 posted on 01/15/2006 8:59:56 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; Mike

I have no agenda other than to expose Murtha for the POS that he is. Feel free to check my posting history. I called bullshit to Mike from Iraq. With no reply.


153 posted on 01/15/2006 9:04:20 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

What agenda did I imply?


154 posted on 01/15/2006 9:05:41 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Peach; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I don't think we should pursue this.

Murtha has been trotted out by the party hacks to do their dirty work. He's being played for the fool if anybody is, if you'd like to talk set ups. If HE had any smarts, he'd sit down and STFU! But nooooo, he jumps up in front of the cameras like a newbie rep carrying the party's water. He should know better, and probably does. So what is his motivation for acting the fool?

If he wants to dance, he's gonna have to pay the fiddler, and take the heat for HIS lapse in judgement.

Fire at will Tonk.

155 posted on 01/15/2006 9:07:44 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Calpernia

Crap. I said 'Nam. Crap, crap, crap. I think I meant to type Korea?????????????????

But you might have some good points anyway!! Except I can't read them till I get this posted!!!


156 posted on 01/15/2006 9:15:27 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Calpernia; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Crap. I said 'Nam. Crap, crap, crap. I think I meant to type Korea?????????????????

But you might have some good points anyway!! Except I can't read them till I get this posted!!!


157 posted on 01/15/2006 9:16:46 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

"My opinion is that John Murtha is a lowly form of human defecation worthy of ridicule, scorn, and derision. Even if he WAS a United States Marine."

I lost all respect I had for murtha when he aligned with code pink

At that point he was no longer a United States Marine


158 posted on 01/15/2006 9:21:45 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


159 posted on 01/15/2006 9:22:55 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Calpernia


*Now, we are seeing Murtha acting like he is senile.
*He is publicly misspeaking about points on his record that he should not have wrong.
*Was Murtha used? Do some final transaction take place (the Code Pink thing) and then they were going to retire him?
*Was he suppose to bring down the credibility of the Swift Vets with him???
*(hence, only the Swift Vets should attack)

I think you've got some very good points here, especially your point about bringing down the credibility of the Swift Vets. I feel pretty safe in saying SV won't take any action here. So, they will remain silent....


And is that what is exactly and precisely intended...'No one would DARE..." There is one difference between the Marine Corps and any other branch, and that's the brotherhood issue. If there is an issue to be settled, I feel I can easily say whoever set Murtha up is counting on the fact that Marines won't take on one of their own because of the brotherhood issue and that might be one big reason he was the front man. Throw in a little senility, and no one would dare touch him.


160 posted on 01/15/2006 9:48:57 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: freema

Is it a MIL brotherhood? Or is this exclusively about the Marines? Because Kerry was Navy, right?


161 posted on 01/15/2006 9:52:20 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Kerry was Navy.

I think that everyone behind Murtha expects -and very likely hedged all bets- thinking Marines would NEVER 'dishonor' one of their own because of the brotherhood issue...

But from Peter Pace to FR the honor of the Corps itself is more valued in its integrity than than to permit this one lone shitbird to shit on those in the field.

This POS has no shame. After being called down by Peter Pace, he STILL has diarrhea of the mouth.






162 posted on 01/15/2006 10:29:01 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Fido969

as I said if you dont want to know the facts ---but if you dont discourage those that want them.


163 posted on 01/15/2006 11:13:30 PM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: freema
Are you saying America is ok with old senile guys in Congress disparaging our military while actively engaged in armed conflict?

For the most part, they are not and it is best to keep pointing out that fact. But the attack by this article is a waste of ammo (IMO) because Murtha's senility and utter ludicrousness speaks for itself. The media might give him a pass on that, but people can see it everytime he opens his mouth. OTOH, the media will use this attack represented by this thread as a distraction.

164 posted on 01/16/2006 12:43:35 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: armydawg1
Murtha's treason can not go unanswered.

I understand that. The type of article you posted is a lot of ammo and worked well against Kerry who was a traitor shortly after he grandstanded for his medals. The problem with bringing up Murtha on the same issues, it that the essential reason Murtha is a traitor is not because of some deliberate plan he had to go to Vietnam, get some medals and become a traitor, but because he is now old and senile. You can hear that each time he opens his mouth. If you use this sort of ammo against him, it dilutes the attack on Kerry and anyone else past, present or future who plans the type of treason that Kerry planned and executed.

165 posted on 01/16/2006 12:51:01 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


166 posted on 01/16/2006 3:06:54 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: armydawg1

BTTT


167 posted on 01/16/2006 3:17:27 AM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." óWill Rogers)
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To: SauronOfMordor

"Murtha joined the Marines in 52 "during the Korean War", yet no mention of any actual deployment to Korea. His family got money. I wonder what exactly he was actually doing during Korea?"

I dunno...But his website says he went from recruit to drill instructor to captain in 7 years.




He learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He remained in the Reserves until his retirement. This first-hand knowledge of military and defense issues has made him a trusted adviser to presidents of both parties and one of the most effective advocates for the national defense in Washington. At the request of Presidents and Speakers of the House, he served as chairman of delegations monitoring elections in the Philippines, El Salvador, Panama and Bosnia.

He was awarded the Navy Distinguished Service Medal by the Marine Corps Commandant when he retired from the Marines.



168 posted on 01/16/2006 3:56:46 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: armydawg1

OLD MARINE SAYING:
You can shock the sh!t troops
But ya cannot sh!t the shock troops!
-Author Unknown


169 posted on 01/16/2006 4:11:42 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: Calpernia
Sorry for the delay. What I was saying was I needed to close for the night and get my meds in me. It's one of those 'can't do without 'em' situations.

I essentially stated my method in my post. I believe it's better going after him (initially!) for his corruption, then follow up with his service fraud as a final crushing blow. Doing so not only strikes at his character but also strikes a blow at Nancy Pelosi who has cuddled up with him on his anti-Iraq stance. She's become so vocal about the GOP 'culture of corruption' this could seriously damage her as well - not to mention her own issues which are under investigation. Once the corruption issue is in full swing the service issue would be seen for what it is and the MSM would have less success fluffing it off as they tried with the Swift Boat Vets.

This being said, another response to me (which I haven't replied to yet) indicates that some of the Freepers involved in this thread are actually his service comrades. That being so, I have far less concern for the issue as long as they go about it properly. By that I mean public announcements, news articles, etc. The same as the Swift Boat Vets handled the issue. Keep in mind, a large segment of the population still gets it's news from TV and the MSM. They're apolitical and tend to believe what they see. The issue should be presented to them so that it seems to come from mainstreem sources; not what can be stylized as a 'right-wing' website (now, don't go getting on me for that statement - I'm writing from their perspective, not mine).

All I'm saying is, handled properly, I believe Murtha, et. al. can be not only marginalized in the public's opinion but dealt a decisive blow to their character and credibility. Since the new Dimocrat issue seems to be corruption, then use this as the major issue in an attack against them.

170 posted on 01/16/2006 4:58:18 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: JRochelle

I agree. His medals are secondary now except that the media uses them as an instrument of credibility as they try to paint him as Mr. Marine Corps and Mr Military.


171 posted on 01/16/2006 5:06:37 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: El Gato
By 'service comrades' I mean those who served in his unit during Vietnam. If these gentlemen are indeed from his unit then 'have at it'. However, as I just replied to another response, I believe it better to pursue the corruption issue during his congressional career first, then hit him with the service fraud issue while he's under indictment.

First, this would not only be a strike at him but at Nancy Pelosi and her 'culture of corruption' crap she keeps sputtering about. She's become so cuddly with him over his anti-Iraq issue, this would tarnish her also.

Then, while that is in full swing, should these people come public with their information about his service record, it would be a final nail in his political career (as well as to his reputation). By public I mean their handling it in the same fashion as the Swift Boat Vets did with John Kerry. Public announcements, newspaper articles, appearances, etc. That's how to get the news out to the majority of Americans (who still get their news from the MSM). They're the ones we have to inform; not those of us who already visit and contribute to conservative 'ether-land'.

BTW, I too have worn the uniform although I never served in Vietnam. I too despise anyone who collects political brownie points from Code Pink and the Dancing Dims - or even from their time in service. That's nothing to barter on in my estimation. It's something to be proud of; not use to solidify one's power. That's why I have far greater respect for President Bush than for John McCain.

'Nuff said!

172 posted on 01/16/2006 5:12:06 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"My opinion is that John Murtha is a lowly form of human defecation worthy of ridicule, scorn, and derision. Even if he WAS a United States Marine."

I lost all respect I had for murtha when he aligned with code pink

At that point he was no longer a United States Marine"

Well said.


173 posted on 01/16/2006 5:14:06 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: palmer

What if Muthra's not senile?

What if he knows exactly what he is doing?

What if he wants this country to flee in the face of terrorism for the sole purpose of political gain by his party?

What then?

Doesn't the possiblity that all of the above are reasons enough to go after his record to take away his ability to stand upon it and preach to the masses.

Democrats aren't just playing around with the safety and moral of our troops when Muthra speaks, they are tempting fate by dropping our guard against future terrorist attacks, so that they can be the ones that respond to the next attack.

Compared to the overall security and defence of this country, Muthra's records and awards mean nothing!


174 posted on 01/16/2006 5:15:06 AM PST by usmcobra (Liberal=progressive...Conservative="Retro?" That's way cooler than being just a Neo-con!)
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To: palmer

Kerry is on the ash heap of history now. Neutered for the most part.

Murtha still must be carried to that same spot in history.

How sad to see such a spectacle. But he deserves every bit of derision, comtempt and disgust that comes his way. He earned it.


175 posted on 01/16/2006 5:18:17 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: gunnyg

Sorry Gunny, you might have to put that in English or Armyese for me. :)


176 posted on 01/16/2006 5:20:25 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Calpernia

What I think we are all missing here...is the DD-214 and the implications. Its not Purple Heart history that would be damaged by the release of the DD-214...in fact...it would be a plus just to show the wording on the document. I have no arguement with any of Purple Heart business. But when you don't want the entire DD-214 to come out...it makes me wonder what else you did...and if you got any involuntary separation paperwork or if you were court-martialed for some action (like striking a officer or AWOL for two weeks). This is the case in front of us today. Murtha hasn't laid out the DD-214 for a reason...Purple Heart comments aren't the reason...he's got something else that he hasn't admitted.

For this reason, I think he is a open target. Any man who puts his hat in the ring for congress or the senate...better put his entire reputation on the line and lay out the path he took to get to that point. I can say alot of negative things about McCain...but he has a military career that cannot be stained. I don't think Murtha can sit at the same table as McCain...nor can he stand judgement on military decisions of the president.


177 posted on 01/16/2006 5:31:17 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Anyone who disagrees with you is attacked and called part of MoveOn.org? Come on. You MUST be smarter than that.


178 posted on 01/16/2006 5:34:21 AM PST by Peach
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To: usmcobra; armydawg1
Compared to the overall security and defence of this country, Muthra's records and awards mean nothing!

Compared to Kerry, Murtha's use of medals means nothing. Even his downfall pales in significance to Kerry's. If you guys refute this guy based on phony medals, even part way, that's a main piece of valueable ammo against Kerry that gets slightly diluted. It doesn't matter whether you think it's deserved or not, it's the public perception of "always" going after the medals that dilutes the very serious charges against Kerry.

179 posted on 01/16/2006 6:38:38 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: armydawg1

In this case, sh1t troops would be the gullible/sheep/herd/useful idiots, fellow travelers, etc....
the shock troops...would be...the...'enlightened,' the elite ones, etc.
;)


180 posted on 01/16/2006 7:00:14 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: armydawg1

This story needs to be ignored. Any attempt to expose him will simply gain him sympathy and defelect from what a moron he is.


181 posted on 01/16/2006 7:03:03 AM PST by Casloy
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To: armydawg1

http://www.cnsnews.com/


182 posted on 01/16/2006 7:12:42 AM PST by jetson (throne)
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To: Peach

183 posted on 01/16/2006 8:34:05 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: bcsco

Ok. Well said. I support that. Thank you.


184 posted on 01/16/2006 8:37:13 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: pepsionice
This type of details I wouldn't know about. I rely on you all to fill in this type of information.
185 posted on 01/16/2006 8:46:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: usmcobra; armydawg1; palmer

>>>Compared to the overall security and defence of this country, Muthra's records and awards mean nothing!

>>>Compared to Kerry, Murtha's use of medals means nothing.

I think it would mean something to the Pennsylvania National Guard. They just rotated back from Afghanistan. Murtha claimed the moral of the troops was in the
toilet. According to their Sgt, it wasn't true. Murtha never came to see them depart, he never sent any letters to them and did not show up to see the unit return.


186 posted on 01/16/2006 8:50:21 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Peach

"How come you call me an idiot, delusional and ridiculous
BUT refuse to say anything negative about hanoi kerry or murtha ?"

Still waiting for your answer


187 posted on 01/16/2006 9:10:01 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Calpernia
Murtha never came to see them depart, he never sent any letters to them and did not show up to see the unit return.

That could be considered a reason to "investigate" his medals, but mostly it says that he's a liar and people gradually realize it. The problem with bringing up the medals for investigation is that the media will do their own "investigation" and then declare it to be a "copy-cat smear campaign". Like I said at the beginning, that kind of ammo doesn't need to spent on Murtha since his recent actions are sufficient to discredit him.

188 posted on 01/16/2006 10:03:24 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: bcsco

I second the motion.


189 posted on 01/16/2006 10:11:42 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: palmer

Yuck, I'm translating that to stand down because the enemy might fight back. That is a terrible thought of reason. Don't fight for what is right?


190 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: palmer

I think the ammo does need to be spent, properly.


I agree totally that I don't want to see any damage to Swift Vets, don't want their message or actions diluted.
And I'd bet it all that's exactly what the left is hoping will happen.

But I'd like to see it done with one shot while fully engaged over his and Pelosi's political corruption.

Marine Sniper sayings:
No place to hide.
You can run, you'll only die tired.


191 posted on 01/16/2006 10:27:15 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Have you followed all my threads? Then you have no clue what I've called Kerry, do you? You really need to buy a clue, Tonk. I'm starting to feel sorry for you.


192 posted on 01/16/2006 11:16:37 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

"Tonk. I'm starting to feel sorry for you."

Don't, I make history, you sit by and watch.


193 posted on 01/16/2006 11:19:51 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You make history? LOLOL. Okaaaaay.


194 posted on 01/16/2006 11:32:13 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

"You make history? LOLOL. Okaaaaay."

http://www.freerepublic.com/~6869tonkingulfyachtc/

Read the whole page.


195 posted on 01/16/2006 11:34:49 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: freema
But I'd like to see it done with one shot while fully engaged over his and Pelosi's political corruption.

I agree with that, and it appears (from what I've read at CNS) that it a one-shot kill is going to take a stronger case. I don't doubt their sincerity or denigrate their research skills, but I don't see the kill-shot in what they've published so far. The risk, as you know, is that that the MSM will quickly "debunk" the story and then dismiss the real revelations as old news. Or some variation on that technique.

My own gut feeling is that Murtha would slowly disappear like Sheehan as the MSM slowly realizes that he's nuts. And, with all due respect, people like yourself and the vietnam vets here have a strong emotional reaction to his attempts to demoralize the troops and may be more willing to take the shot than they should be.

196 posted on 01/16/2006 11:38:28 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I'm sure you're a terrific human being and patriot. To call people who don't agree with you MoveOn.Org people is idiotic.

I'll bet you don't agree with me about taxes. I'll just start calling you sKerry. See how that works?


197 posted on 01/16/2006 11:38:57 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

"You make history? LOLOL. Okaaaaay."

Nov 2002
FReeper makes Coast Guard /
Coast Guard Auxiliary History
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798008/posts


198 posted on 01/16/2006 11:39:13 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Peach

"To call people who don't agree with you MoveOn.Org people is idiotic."

MoveOn.Org : Show me where I said they were MoveOn.Org people.

At least MoveOn.Org people say upfront what they believe in.

That's different from "Move On FReepers"

"Move On FReepers" "swore" klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".


199 posted on 01/16/2006 11:42:48 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts?page=119#119


200 posted on 01/16/2006 11:44:14 AM PST by Peach
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