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Specter says no 'blank check' for Bush on spying
Reuters ^ | 16 January 2006

Posted on 01/15/2006 4:15:00 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee promised a thorough investigation on Sunday into President George W. Bush's secret domestic eavesdropping program and said there would be no blank check for Bush.

Sen. Arlen Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, said Bush in theory could face impeachment charges if found to have violated the law by authorizing the program, but he did not endorse that approach and had heard no serious talk of it.

News of the covert domestic spying program last month sparked an outcry by both Democrats and some members of Bush's Republican party. Many lawmakers and rights groups questioned whether it violates the U.S. Constitution.

The judiciary committee has scheduled hearings on the issue and U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has said he will testify on the administration's legal justification. The operation includes eavesdropping on U.S. phone calls and reading e-mails. The hearings are expected next month.

"We're going to explore it in depth," Specter said on ABC television's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos."

"I don't see any talk about impeachment here," Specter said. "I don't think anybody doubts that the president is making a good faith effort, that he sees a real problem as we all do, and he's acting in a way that he feels he must."

Still, the senator insisted, "we're not going to give him a blank check, and just because we're of the same party doesn't mean we're not going to look at this very closely."

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; arlenbloodyspecter; georgewbush; homelandsecurity; nationalsecurity; patriotleak; rino; scottishlaw; security; specter; sphincter; spying; terrorism
Arlen big-noting again, or Arlen undermining the President?
1 posted on 01/15/2006 4:15:02 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
I don't see any talk about impeachment here

Oh puhlease!!!  Has there been a day since he was elected that this wasn't mentioned?

3 posted on 01/15/2006 4:19:41 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: William Creel
... I do think that Bush overstepped his bounds ...

IMHO, I have the opposite view based on reading Article II of the Constitution and the inherent powers of the Commander-in-Chief. Not in FISA a statute contrived by Congress, written at a time when many only wanted to hobble the National Security.

However this can be good. First, Republicans are not kicking, screaming and hollering to avoid any truth finding - as the Democrats have done in a previous Administration (that will remain nameless).

Second, maybe the checks and balances are supposed to work this way rather than in our courts. The courts should be a last step.

Third and last, Americans will see, if televised, exactly who they voted for and what they got.It would bring it home much better since the last "poll" I saw puts a majority of voters on the President's side wanting security.
4 posted on 01/15/2006 4:32:02 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Aussie Dasher

Surely Sen. Specter, there must be some obscure Scottish Law which allows this. Besides, take the Attorney General to task over this, he's the one who gave the go-ahead and said it was legal.


5 posted on 01/15/2006 4:33:31 PM PST by moonman
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To: William Creel
I know. That could be the catch that sheds some real light on the Democrats. Light that voters might not be so fast to forget.
7 posted on 01/15/2006 4:40:23 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Aussie Dasher

Arlen doing what he does best.

Getting himself more face time.


8 posted on 01/15/2006 4:45:50 PM PST by airborne (If being a Christian was a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Just one more volley in the never ending struggle between the legislative and the executive. The three branches are designed to be equal, but the judiciary and congress consider themselves more equal than the executive branch. It is time both are forced to swallow the big reality pill that G.W. has prepared for them.

Specter? He is a disloyal, egoist bastard that forgets who brought him to the dance. That last statement is my entry into the obvious understatement of the day award. Snarlin' is no different than any other of the arrogant pricks that plague us all.


9 posted on 01/15/2006 4:47:44 PM PST by thelastvirgil ("When the roll is called in congress, they don't know whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty'.")
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To: airborne

10 posted on 01/15/2006 4:55:21 PM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad against The Red Cross.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The hearing before the Judiciary Committee should be a hoot since they can only discuss the law and Constitution as it would apply to hypotheticals since the Judiciary Committee does not have the security clearance to discuss the facts. I don't think they can even call anybody from the NSA or CIA and ask them questions (at least in open session) as to what was done.

Gonzalez should explain the law to Spincter in terms the Senator can understand by citing some obscure Scottish law.


11 posted on 01/15/2006 5:08:48 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: William Creel

overstepped his bounds? How? What the CIA is doing w.r.t monitoring international calls has been done for years. If you don't believe the CIA should be spying then why have a CIA?


12 posted on 01/15/2006 5:09:24 PM PST by plain talk
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To: mcg2000

LOL....that's good!!! I love it.


13 posted on 01/15/2006 5:13:30 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

A blank check from Abramoff is perfectly acceptable, however...


14 posted on 01/15/2006 5:13:45 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I can't wait for the likes of Kennedy, Biden, Feinswine and Schumer to strut their stuff again on live TV. It should be as entertaining as watching them make complete asses of themselves with Judge Alito, but this time they will be sticking up for the likes of Al Qaida and Bin Laden instead of NARAL and Ralph Neas.

This will be good. Please pass the popcorn!

15 posted on 01/15/2006 5:26:01 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam us a universal ideology that leads the world to justice"-Ahmadinejad)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Talk down around the pool hall is that there is an obscure Scottish law that requires the release of the Barrett report. Suck on that, Spec.


16 posted on 01/15/2006 5:42:49 PM PST by Waco
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To: Aussie Dasher
Arlen's a deal cutter. My hunch is that W campaigned for him in his last senate run in return for clearing the way for the USSC candidates. But Arlen is talking large before the last deal is done. Can't he stay bought or is there another something else to be done?
17 posted on 01/15/2006 5:47:31 PM PST by Thebaddog (K9 4ever)
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To: William Creel
The legislature is supposed to keep the executive in check, I do think that Bush overstepped his bounds, but it doesn't matter all that much.

A President's war powers are plenary, which means, "Complete in all respects; unlimited or full". Given that, how did the President "overstep his bounds"?

18 posted on 01/15/2006 5:58:44 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: Aussie Dasher

<< Arlen big-noting again, or Arlen undermining the President? >>

Snarlin' Arlen is a "Democrat" of the "former" variety.

A RINO, that is, who was a self-serving crook when he "used to be" a "Democrat" and has consistently been a self serving RINO crook ever since!

And is of course indistinguishable from any other "former" [RINO] "Democrat" and is as ever undermining the president.


20 posted on 01/15/2006 6:59:04 PM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: thelastvirgil

Pretty much the jist of it.

The Executive, at least under Bush, has been fairly accomodating to the other branches. They in turn have sought to seize every last inch of his power. It's a power grab. IMO, this is partly why the President includes in consideration for the judges he places on the bench their approach to the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches. And, this is why Luttig is unlikely to ever be nominated by this President despite some conservatives holding him up as their number one choice. In two decisions that I know of he's contradicted the Executive. One I can semi agree with, another not so much.

As for Specter, he's helping put Alito on the bench. In return he exacts a pound of flesh by stabbing the administration to get face Time and take heat off from his own constituents in voting for Alito. It's dirty politics, but the bottom line is that Specter doesn't have a damn bit of ability to start impeachment hearings. He knows it as well. Unless he suddenly wants to run for the House. Even then he'd be in the minority.

So, it's all talk without ability to follow through. Liberal constituences of his that lap it up and take their focus off the courts are idiots. I welcome their diversion because I want Alito confirmed and Specter is helping that process through, but it's simply bait and switch here. He's protecting his own skin for putting Alito on Court, and Bush will allow it because he gets Alito and Specter has no power to threaten him in this manner.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 7:03:40 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Guess what, Arlen. You don't have a say in the matter. Investigate all you like, but it won't mean anything because, at the end of the day, you are powerless on this issue.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 7:28:41 PM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Sorry but if Bush should be impeached for anything, it should be for supporting that scumbag Specter!


23 posted on 01/15/2006 7:59:54 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kenndy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: mcg2000

That's just too cute!


24 posted on 01/15/2006 8:14:58 PM PST by imskylark
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To: William Creel
I think that the President should consider whether he would be comfortable with the precedent that he is setting being used by his least favorite Democrat. Eventually the Democrats will return to the White House if our history is any guide. What then?

I would also like to add that the government has three branches: executive, legislative and judicial. Each is to be checked by the other two. The legislature currently is engaged in checking the President, as our founding fathers intended. The other check would be the judiciary's enforcement of the Fourth Amendment prohibitions against unreasonable searches and seizures.

The founding fathers were an unbelievably wise group of people. They knew British tyranny first hand and many were serious students of history, ancient and modern (to them). They also were uncanny observers of human nature and knew how easily events sway human opinion.

I think that we must remain ever vigilant not only of the actions and passions of others but also of our own. This is my first and will be my last post on this topic.
25 posted on 01/15/2006 10:13:03 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: William Creel
I don't think he should spy on our end, he should spy on the other end. But I don't think that is too easy, so I'm ok with this.

I may be mistaken and we certainly don't have all the facts, but it is my understanding that they are monitoring calls made to and from numbers outside the country. Is that your understanding?

26 posted on 01/16/2006 7:50:15 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: William Creel

"Sen. Arlen Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania"

This guy can be a first class a@@ sometimes. He should just kept his mouth shut and if this needs investigation, do it. All he did is add more fotter to the RATS playbook.


27 posted on 01/16/2006 8:55:24 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: dinoparty
Guess what, Arlen. You don't have a say in the matter. Investigate all you like, but it won't mean anything because, at the end of the day, you are powerless on this issue.

See my post here Specter wants hearings

28 posted on 01/16/2006 1:16:47 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: William Creel
I don't think he should spy on our end

He's not.

29 posted on 01/16/2006 1:22:18 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Gee, just a few short months ago, Cindy Sheehan was bitching that this President wasn't listening to Americans!!!


30 posted on 01/16/2006 1:25:51 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

cBS radio rolled out Al Gore today, to speak about this, in a spot I heard while driving.

He was just about screaming about how corrupt Bush has been.

I also noted cBS didn't have time for any other viewpoint on the matter.


31 posted on 01/16/2006 1:38:54 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Aussie Dasher
"we're not going to give him a blank check, and just because we're of the same party doesn't mean we're not going to look at this very closely."

NO one thinks the president should have a "blank check" on spying, including the president.

Bush was a FOOL to support Specter over Toomey. What a traitorous pain in the butt Specter is.

32 posted on 01/16/2006 5:28:27 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: TAdams8591

Oh, so very true.


33 posted on 01/16/2006 5:29:34 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

34 posted on 01/16/2006 8:33:34 PM PST by End_Clintonism_Now (MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL CLINTON!)
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To: Logical me

He no Republican - he the counterfeit - A RINO.

If you watched the Alito hearings - you could see that over 90% of the time - Specter was shaking hands, deeply in conference, or slapping some DemocRat's back.

I believe - he's also the one who called for the hearings coming up that they call "spying on Americans" (conveniently not being called "spying on the terrorists"!)

As the DemocRats look for dirt in their quest of Impeachment hearings of the President, who do you think these hearings help in their wicked plan to attack the President???

Specter is no friend of President Bush!


35 posted on 02/06/2006 2:38:54 AM PST by Anita1 (You can't argue against the truth!)
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