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God, Religion ... Whatever -- Are Our Churchgoing Youth Falling Away from the Faith?
Agape Press ^ | 1/13/06 | Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 01/15/2006 5:15:05 PM PST by dukeman

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To: dukeman

> The Gospel is a fine, silken thread. But it cannot penetrate the human heart unless tied to the needle of the Law.

Yikes. Thanks all the same, but just now I'm not up for having my heart pierced by needles, threads, bullets, daggers or any other such thing.

Creepy.


51 posted on 01/16/2006 11:09:38 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: orionblamblam

Your choice.


52 posted on 01/16/2006 11:34:29 AM PST by dukeman
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To: gwhiz; tutstar; caryatid; TexGuy; CindyDawg; 2Jedismom; JamesP81; Sybeck1; pamlet; aumrl; HeadOn; ..

Tut must be sleeping on the job.
Baptist Ping


53 posted on 01/16/2006 11:45:21 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: dukeman

I find this article odd in many ways. I can't put much weight in the conclusion because some of the premises are really off. But that just adds emphasis to the sorry state of the church (generally speaking) today. We don't even share basic definitions in common any more.


54 posted on 01/16/2006 12:38:24 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: dukeman

Cameron and Comfort - "Way of the Master" I presume?


55 posted on 01/16/2006 5:31:47 PM PST by uptoolate
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
How can you win when those you are are trying to reach say "whatever"! We truly need to retrench, refocus, and figgure out how to reach these young folks before its too late!

If your kids are in public school, it's already too late. OTOH -- 94% of home-educated adults say they believe as their parents do.

56 posted on 01/16/2006 6:13:22 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: orionblamblam
Psalm 137:9 "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

That was the way God dealt with pagan peoples who rejected him.

57 posted on 01/16/2006 7:21:52 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: goodnesswins; nmh; showme_the_Glory; RobRoy; Terriergal; pby; lupie; shaggy eel; My2Cents; ...
our preacher quotes C.S. Lewis regularly

Sounds like it's time to look for a new church!!

By the time of his death, Lewis had moved from Idealism (no idea of a personal God) to Pantheism (an impersonal God in everything) and then to Theism (the existence of God).

In Letters to Malcolm (p. 107), Lewis indicates that shortly before his death he was turning toward the Catholic Church. Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301).

His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129).

Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175).

Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine).

Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock.

For example, Lewis never believed in a literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce, p. 65). http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm

C.S. Lewis, heretic.

58 posted on 01/16/2006 7:32:25 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court

He quotes C. S. Lewis when it supports his (very conservative, Bible based, sermons......He doesn't PREACH from Lewis beliefs......sheesh.


59 posted on 01/16/2006 7:46:01 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: goodnesswins

Just letting you and anyone else interested know that Lewis was an apostate heretic.


60 posted on 01/16/2006 7:50:35 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: dukeman

The survey results are an interesting indication of the intellectual laxity of many churches.

They no longer engage in a systematic, academic program of instruction in doctrine and theology, because it is that program which enables one to learn to the point of being able to articulate independently, the precepts of faith.

Contempary churches seem to operate from an excessively sentimental standpoint: one big long love song to a big friendly Jesus (in the conservative churches) or a big long love song to socialist humanism of which Jesus is an avatar (the liberal churches).

Tough sermons and memorizing scripture verses, and other kinds of superficially rigorous practices, certainly don't get it done. You're not really going to understand the doctrine of the Trinity, Original Sin, or Free Will without learning it in a classroom setting, to say the least of the knottier concepts of one's particular denomination -- Consubstation? Pre-Millenial Dispensationalism to the extent not taught in "Left Behind"? The Immaculate Conception?


61 posted on 01/16/2006 8:35:17 PM PST by only1percent
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To: Full Court

Religion Of Peace Alert!!!


62 posted on 01/16/2006 9:47:23 PM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: only1percent

As I read your post I kept hearing the sound