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Islamic group urges Catholic school to move to Muslim faith
The Scotsman ^ | Jan. 16, 2006 | Hilary Duncanson

Posted on 01/15/2006 8:45:35 PM PST by Alouette

AN ISLAMIC campaign group has called for a Catholic primary school to be based on the Muslim faith.

The Campaign for Muslim Schools said 90 per cent of pupils at St Albert's Primary, in the Pollokshields area of Glasgow, are Muslim, yet children are having to take part in Catholic rituals like saying the Lord's Prayer and attending mass.

Osama Saeed, co-ordinator of the alliance of Glasgow's main mosques and Muslim organisations, said he could see no reason why the main faith of the school should not change.

He said: "Clearly the parents of that area find a faith school, even if it is of another denomination, preferable to a secular one. But surely it should be possible for them to have one that is relevant to their own faith.

"To move towards this would be a fantastic example of good faith - in more ways than one - on the part of the Church."

The call came just days after Scotland's most senior Catholic, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, sparked controversy by stating that Scotland's core faith was Christianity and that other faiths should recognise they were "living in Scotland as a Christian country". A spokesman for the Catholic Church in Scotland was not available for comment tonight.


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Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought that Catholic schools only accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?
1 posted on 01/15/2006 8:45:38 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 01/15/2006 8:46:46 PM PST by Alouette (The Anti-Borg - You Will NOT be Assimilated!)
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To: Alouette

Perhaps the moozies could pass the hat around and BUY the school?


3 posted on 01/15/2006 8:47:29 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Alouette

Agreed. Why on earth would Muslim children go to a Catholic school in the first place? Why don't they (Muslims in the area) start their own school?


4 posted on 01/15/2006 8:47:41 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Alouette

Nope.


5 posted on 01/15/2006 8:47:58 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Alouette

"To move towards this would be a fantastic example of good faith - in more ways than one - on the part of the Church."

The correct example would be to close the school down, and spend the money on good catholic children.


6 posted on 01/15/2006 8:48:40 PM PST by max_rpf
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To: Alouette
Plenty of Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.
7 posted on 01/15/2006 8:49:04 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: Alouette

No, Catholic schools even take Presbyterians! =)


8 posted on 01/15/2006 8:51:17 PM PST by Just Lori (Oh my soul, be prepared to meet Him who knows how to ask questions.)
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To: Alouette

WTF??? This is garbage... yet another example of what a liberal immigration policy yields.


9 posted on 01/15/2006 8:51:56 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: Alouette
"To move towards this would be a fantastic example of good faith - in more ways than one - on the part of the Church."

Now If the Muslims converted to Christianity, that would be a fantastic show of good faith. And, they wouldn't feel so out of place.

10 posted on 01/15/2006 8:52:10 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Alouette
Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought that Catholic schools only
accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?


I may even be dumber...but I think that in my hometown in Oklahoma the
Catholic church ran a school grades 1-8 and that some of the students
were not members of the Catholic church.

IIRC, we called it a "parochial" school...maybe that's not exactly the
same as a Catholic or parish school?
11 posted on 01/15/2006 8:53:48 PM PST by VOA
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

bttt


12 posted on 01/15/2006 8:53:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Alouette

In a pig's eye!

Of course, this IS the United Kingdom so any form of tomfoolery is possible, maybe even likely.

The idea that mudslimes, the followers of mohammud (may piss be upon him), are populating the land of my ancestors makes me ill. The Scots have always been very much ALIVE! I pray they will reject this black rock-god death cult and chase them from their shores before it is too late.

I am not optimistic...


13 posted on 01/15/2006 8:54:16 PM PST by 43north (Liberals are obsessed by the vulgarity of their lives & the obscenity of their behavior.)
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To: Awestruck

But that would make too much sense, and doesn't fit with their goal of overtaking the countries in Europe where they live a piece at a time.


14 posted on 01/15/2006 8:55:19 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: Alouette
Osama Saeed, ....said he could see no reason why the main faith of the school should not change.


15 posted on 01/15/2006 8:58:01 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Alouette

Of course not. Where I live, as much as 10% of the school populations at somme Catholic institutions are not Roman Catholic.
Of course, the " suggestion " to turn the school over to the Mohamedans is obscene.


16 posted on 01/15/2006 8:58:13 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Theresawithanh

That's scary that there is an area of Scotland where the Muslims comprise 90% of the Catholic school population.


17 posted on 01/15/2006 8:58:30 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
That's scary that there is an area of Scotland where the Muslims comprise 90% of the Catholic school population.

They are counting all the sheep.

18 posted on 01/15/2006 9:00:46 PM PST by Alouette (The Anti-Borg - You Will NOT be Assimilated!)
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To: Alouette

Based on my experience, Catholic schools give first priority to parishoners, then to Catholics from outside the parish, then to non-Catholics.

Maybe the neighborhood is changing from a Catholic population to a Muslim population. In this case, if the school cannot get enough students to stay financially viable, then I would think it is time to close down. But to change the religious teachings would be ridiculous. The Muslims can start their own school or send their kids to public school.


19 posted on 01/15/2006 9:05:54 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: Alouette

Not until every muslim wears a kilt.


20 posted on 01/15/2006 9:06:02 PM PST by AmeriBrit (The 'hildabeast' must be stopped. RELEASE THE BARRETT REPORT.....NOW!)
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To: Alouette

"I always thought that Catholic schools only accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?"

That may have at one time been true, but not in my experience. I'm 48 and I well remember having two protestant girls in my Catholic elementary school. I probably wouldn't remember them so well, but they were identical twins and came from the Coast Guard installation that was then on Governer's Island, NY. All the kids came into Manhattan to go to school, but I guess most went to public school, these two gals came to school at my Catholic School.

In more recent times my daughter went to Catholic schools in Jersey City, many of the kids were protestant or hindus, maybe other religions too. In fact, one of the best features of RC education for me was that you could enroll your child in the school even if you weren't in the parish, either you were catholic and didn't live in that parish, or you weren't catholic at all. You had to pay the "out of parish" tuition, but still this really helped me as a single working mom.

But what the school always told everyone was that they taught the catholic religion. And I say if these muslim folks in scotland want a school that teaches Islam, they should get off their whining butts and start one!


21 posted on 01/15/2006 9:08:16 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: AmeriBrit

And eats haggis.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 9:08:39 PM PST by Alouette (The Anti-Borg - You Will NOT be Assimilated!)
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To: Alouette
If the shingle outside says "Catholic" then Muslims who apply to enter the school do so with the full understanding that Catholic doctrine and practices will be taught.

If the Muslims have a problem with that then this school is probably not for them.

That said, if the women's auxiliary has a 90% male membership, it's not the women's auxiliary anymore and those responsible for membership ought to have realized this very early in the peace.

With regard to the school, local Catholics have either moved out of the area and abandoned it to the Muslims and/or simply abandoned the faith and ceased sending their children to the Catholic school.

Either way, this is what happens when a Catholic population which dwindles in either fervor and/or numbers is replaced by another religious group which takes itself seriously. If those responsible for admissions to this school had been serious about safeguarding the school's Catholic identity, they would never have allowed this situation to develop.

23 posted on 01/15/2006 9:10:53 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Alouette

Well, who couldn't see this one coming?


24 posted on 01/15/2006 9:14:17 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Alouette

Catholic parochial schools tend to be oversubscribed, and give priority to Catholic parents, but I know Jews who have sent their children to Catholic schools.


25 posted on 01/15/2006 9:19:33 PM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: Alouette

Huh? I don't get the logic.


26 posted on 01/15/2006 9:22:38 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Alouette

Not so, but why would any parent who has problems with Catholic doctrine send their children to a Catholic school? If the faculty of the Catholic school had tried to convert their Muslim charges to Catholicism, I would not be at all surprised to hear that some jihadist organization had leveled the building during a school day......


27 posted on 01/15/2006 9:22:42 PM PST by tracer
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To: Alouette

Typically they accept anyone who can pay the freight.


28 posted on 01/15/2006 9:24:12 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Awestruck

why don't the peculiar peckerheads learn catholocism and fit in to the world they have chosen to live in.


29 posted on 01/15/2006 9:27:22 PM PST by mathurine (ua)
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To: Alouette
I always thought that Catholic schools only accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?

I never even heard of that.

The catholic schools near me, allow students of any religion to enroll, and not only that, allow them to opt out of the religion classes.

Mostly financial reasons come into play.

30 posted on 01/15/2006 9:41:42 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: 43north

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In a pig's eye!
Of course, this IS the United Kingdom so any form of tomfoolery is possible, maybe even likely.

The idea that mudslimes, the followers of mohammud (may piss be upon him), are populating the land of my ancestors makes me ill. The Scots have always been very much ALIVE! I pray they will reject this black rock-god death cult and chase them from their shores before it is too late.
I am not optimistic...
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You know what, 43north?

Like it or not, you have just made a friend..."me".


31 posted on 01/15/2006 9:44:09 PM PST by the final gentleman
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To: Alouette

Nope, although Catholics and members of the local parish generally get a price break.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 9:45:27 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Alouette
No, Catholic schools have accepted children of other faiths, for many years and in many different countries. But most Catholic schools, in America, used to have more than enough Catholic children, so that they didn't accept many, if any, children of other faiths. That's changed here, long ago, because of demographics.

But this Muslim thing, is absolutely ridiculous! If the Muslims in Scotland want their kids to go to a Muslim school, they should open one themselves!

33 posted on 01/15/2006 9:45:58 PM PST by nopardons
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I think it's time the catholic church went on the offensive with the pope leading the way. I understand the whole "turn the other cheek" thing but this is ridiculous. I'm not saying restart the crusades but rolling over and taking it up the a$$ has got to stop. Islam is not a religion. It is a cult that preaches hate and intolerance.


34 posted on 01/15/2006 9:48:34 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I saa no reason why this sheethead should be living amongst infidels. It woul;d behoove him to leave for the closest jihadistan.


35 posted on 01/15/2006 10:16:43 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Not shocked at all considering western europe keeps the 3rd world immigration flood gates open.



36 posted on 01/15/2006 10:22:23 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Alouette

40% of kids in urban parochial schools are non-Catholic. In urban areas in the US, they are often the only schools where they can get an education at a reasonable price.


37 posted on 01/15/2006 10:25:25 PM PST by Roy Tucker
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To: Alouette
It's the money.

Just another stark example of the declining influence of Christianity throughout Europe, and the rise of Islam. Like the stories we have seen posted from time to time of "Christian" facilities in Europe like churches and schools being converted to mosques.

38 posted on 01/15/2006 10:32:44 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Salem

HOw soon till Notre Dame is turned into a mosque?

I give it 30 years.


39 posted on 01/15/2006 10:40:09 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: mathurine

Then they would be executed.


40 posted on 01/15/2006 10:46:19 PM PST by moog
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

It's happening right before our eyes, to be sure.


41 posted on 01/15/2006 10:47:54 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: mathurine

Its considered a crime punishable by death for a muslim to convert to another religion.

The religion of peace strikes again.



42 posted on 01/15/2006 10:53:50 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Alouette

nope, anyone that pays the tuition is welcome. Non Catholics do not partake in communion.


43 posted on 01/15/2006 11:06:20 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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44 posted on 01/16/2006 12:47:36 AM PST by farfromhome (No doubt about it, I gotta' get a new tagline.)
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To: Alouette

Non-Parishioners must pay more in tuition, but can attend. I actually had a few Lutheran classmates and one agnostic at the Catholic High School I attended.


45 posted on 01/16/2006 12:56:57 AM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Alouette
Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought that Catholic schools only accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?

Nope. My kids attended a RC school and there were more Calvinist kids there than you coulds shake a stick at.

46 posted on 01/16/2006 1:17:36 AM PST by Gamecock (..ours is a trivial age, and the church has been deeply affected by this pervasive triviality. JMB)
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To: Alouette
"Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought that Catholic schools only accepted students whose families belong to the local parish church?"

In my experience, a Catholic school will gladly accept students whose families are sacrificing animals on their front lawns while dancing around bonfires naked so long as they cough up the tuition money on time. Having spent nearly 9 years in Catholic schools, I can say that they're excellent schools, but that they're run by the greediest and most heartless penny pinching forgiveness lacking people you'll ever meet. But if you want your kids to have a fantastic eduction in an area where the public schools are lacking, then by all means, send them there.
47 posted on 01/16/2006 1:24:12 AM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: Alouette

Please remember that this is a public school. Both Catholic and secular education is provided by the Scottish state.


48 posted on 01/16/2006 1:30:29 AM PST by weegie
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"To move towards this would be a fantastic example of good faith - in more ways than one - on the part of the Church."

Dhimmitude bump!

49 posted on 01/16/2006 1:33:09 AM PST by A. Pole (Joanne Senier-LaBarre: "We Wish You a Swinging Holiday!")
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To: Alouette

Sounds like they should start busing in minority catholics. ;)


50 posted on 01/16/2006 1:46:45 AM PST by md2576
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