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Police face sack for jibe over 'pondlife'
London Times ^ | January 15, 2006 | Daniel Foggo

Posted on 01/16/2006 10:44:33 AM PST by Dog Gone

A DETECTIVE is facing disciplinary action by his force for referring to a career criminal as “pondlife” in a private conversation with another officer.

The detective constable, who faces possible dismissal from his job, has been told that the criminal “might have been offended” had he heard the remark, although he was not present at the time.

The officer was informed that he will be subject to disciplinary action together with three colleagues — a detective sergeant, a uniformed sergeant and a constable — after covert video recordings were made of them at their police station in Nottingham. The other officers are accused of also using “inappropriate language” in private conversations.

All four have been taken off frontline duties that might bring them into contact with members of the public while they await formal decisions as to their futures.

The covert taping was being carried out by Nottinghamshire police to investigate alleged corruption by another member of staff. The officers facing disciplinary action are not suspected of any criminal activity and the fact that their comments were recorded was a coincidence.

However, the force’s professional standards department decided last year to place all four officers on so-called “regulation nine” notices signalling disciplinary action even though no complaints had been received from other staff or members of the public.

After the corruption inquiry has been concluded, the deputy chief constable, Howard Roberts, will review the allegations and decide whether to carry out a full inquiry which could result in the officers’ dismissal.

Critics have called the affair “ludicrous”.

Mick Taylor, chairman of the Nottinghamshire branch of the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, said: “There has been an accusation that some words have been said that may have caused offence to a career criminal if he had been present, even though he wasn’t.

“This is a man of the criminal fraternity who has a number of convictions. So it does seem ludicrous that we have to go to these levels, but that is the way life is now.

“This was a private conversation between colleagues and surely people have got a right to that? A personal view is that if no members of the public or work colleagues have made complaints, then I question the need for disciplinary action.”

The officer accused of corruption offences, PC Charles Fletcher, who faces a charge of conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office and two counts of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, is due to be tried later this year.

Taylor said: “Now the officers on the disciplinary notices will have to wait until after the corruption inquiry is finished and all trials conducted before the video-taped evidence can be examined and that may take a long time.

“Some of these officers have got 20 or more years of service and commendations to their name and they don’t deserve to have this hanging over them for so long.”

A source close to the four officers said: “It is difficult enough for officers to carry out their frontline duties without having to battle political correctness as well.”

A Nottinghamshire police spokesman said: “We can confirm that four members of staff have been served with regulation nine notices, which informs (them) they are being investigated on internal professional misconduct matters.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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I'm afraid our friends, the Brits, have gone all wobbly.
1 posted on 01/16/2006 10:44:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Pondlife? I assume that is the more genteel Brit version of our "pond scum".


2 posted on 01/16/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Dog Gone

When men cease becoming men a society crumbles...allah GB.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 10:46:48 AM PST by samadams2000 (Remember our Founding Fathers were REAL men- Unlike today's Rinos)
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To: JimRed

Or a Froggy...


4 posted on 01/16/2006 10:47:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Don't buy Bose. Their warranty is no good.)
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To: Dog Gone

Well, if we put the cops in jail and let the criminals free (because they will feel bad) - it will give the cops left on the force something to do.


5 posted on 01/16/2006 10:47:54 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Dog Gone

SICK


6 posted on 01/16/2006 10:47:56 AM PST by BIGZ
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To: Dog Gone
They need Detective Buntz from Hill St Blues over there. LOL
7 posted on 01/16/2006 10:48:43 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Dog Gone

Across the pond, we prefer "pond scum".


8 posted on 01/16/2006 10:49:56 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: Dog Gone

A "politically correct" society can not survive....

That is precisely the motive of the "PC" a$$holes....

Semper Fi


9 posted on 01/16/2006 10:50:54 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Dog Gone
Theodore Dalrymple has documented this sort of idiocy in detail in his book "Life at the Bottom". England has gone so far left in its law-enforcement policy that it's difficult to convice anyone of anything. Criminals are considered victims of society, and many times police won't even respond to calls about burglary, assault, etc., because they know it's pointless--there will be no conviction for the criminal, nor justice for the victim.

When the government is more concerned about hurting criminals' feelings than in catching and convicting them, law-abiding citizens are on their own. Powerless, of course, since very few of them are allowed to own guns, and if they did own one and used it to deter a crime, they'd be the ones to be arrested.

10 posted on 01/16/2006 10:52:06 AM PST by American Quilter
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To: Dog Gone

Det. Andy Sipawitz is not amused.


11 posted on 01/16/2006 10:52:32 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: MadIvan

Ivan, were you aware you could be fired for talking bad about a criminal behind his back?


12 posted on 01/16/2006 10:53:18 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Crunchy Frog:

Milton: We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose.

Praline: That's as maybe, it's still a frog.

Milton: What else?

Praline: Well don't you even take the bones out?

Milton: If we took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy would it?


13 posted on 01/16/2006 10:53:25 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: Dog Gone

i hear calling a criminal 'poopy head' is a hanging offense there....


14 posted on 01/16/2006 10:53:41 AM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: American Quilter
You've described San Francisco!
15 posted on 01/16/2006 10:55:33 AM PST by walkerk
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To: Dog Gone

I used to admire the British. Now, every time I read anything about them they sink lower and lower in my eyes. If this kind of stupidity is allowed, no one who is worthy of becoming a police officer will join the force. And the people who are creating this mess will complain bitterly when they are faced with the results of their actions.


16 posted on 01/16/2006 10:57:51 AM PST by Essie
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To: JimRed

It is. A little inane factoid for you....the first time I ever heard this term was in one of the Need for Speed games. In it, you are racing and running from the police in different locales around the world. When you were in England, as you were running the police would be on their PA's yelling at you to pull over, and calling you various names, and 'pondlife' was one of them. Had never heard the term before or after until now.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 10:57:57 AM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: Dog Gone
Hurting ones feelings in the 1st degree???
18 posted on 01/16/2006 11:01:00 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: Dog Gone

Hey. What about the pond scum? It resents being compared to some of the criminals out there.


19 posted on 01/16/2006 11:17:41 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
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To: Dog Gone
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the guy that made the remark will prolly be fired, and those who LAUGHED at it will be suspended... must have a LOUSY UNION!!!

oh, yeah... now that it's in the papers, be prepared for the pondscum to BE OFFENDED and SUE!!!

and Atlas PUKED.

20 posted on 01/16/2006 11:20:00 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Chode

This calls for a remake of A Clockwork Orange where the offending Policeman is sentenced to watch Brokeback Mountain for hours on end.


21 posted on 01/16/2006 11:27:15 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Dog Gone; Larry Lucido; aculeus; hellinahandcart; Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro; Constitution Day; ...
A DETECTIVE is facing disciplinary action by his force for referring to a career criminal as “pondlife” in a private conversation with another officer.

In the words of Anna Russell, needed nowadays rather too often, “I’m not making this up, you know.”

22 posted on 01/16/2006 11:38:29 AM PST by dighton
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To: massgopguy

my eyes... MY EYES...!!!


23 posted on 01/16/2006 11:47:58 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: dighton; Dog Gone; Larry Lucido; hellinahandcart; Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro; Constitution Day
In the words of Anna Russell, needed nowadays rather too often, “I’m not making this up, you know.”

Dave Barry pulled a "Milton Berle?"

24 posted on 01/16/2006 12:02:44 PM PST by aculeus
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To: dighton
The detective constable, who faces possible dismissal from his job, has been told that the criminal “might have been offended” had he heard the remark, although he was not present at the time.

This is serious? A criminal might have been offended if he'd actually been present to hear the guy?

I'm speechless. Truly, there are no words ...

25 posted on 01/16/2006 1:10:56 PM PST by MozarkDawg
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To: Dog Gone

This is the Nottinghamshire police - they're sort of like our equivalent of the San Francisco Police. If you go back, you'll find they're the most daft constabulary in the country.

Regards, Ivan


26 posted on 01/16/2006 2:03:17 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Where's Robin Hood? The sheriff of Nottingham has gone mad.


27 posted on 01/16/2006 2:31:03 PM PST by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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To: Nightshift

Nottingham, not surprisingly, has also the least effective police force in the country.

Robin Hood and his Merry Men would be welcome as vigilantes.

Regards, Ivan


28 posted on 01/16/2006 2:32:33 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: Dog Gone
I thought they were referring to the "Lawyers".
29 posted on 01/16/2006 2:33:41 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: MadIvan
If you go back, you'll find they're the most daft constabulary in the country.

That's moderately encouraging. I was afraid this mentality had spread throughout the entire country.

30 posted on 01/16/2006 3:20:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Trust me, look up "Nottinghamshire" and police, and you'll find all sorts of this kind of nonsense.

I'm not proud of it, but I don't live in that part of the country.

Regards, Ivan


31 posted on 01/16/2006 3:21:28 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: Dog Gone

Oh my God.......these POS Cops should be shot for this!!

I retired at the rank of Detective Sergeant after nearly 26 years of abuse...............thank God it's over!

Now it's just tax free money and free medical..... every month for the rest of my life. Honest, it was difficult to retire at the old age of 53. Every day, just another Saturday..........what's a guy to do?? LOL

While I have loving and proud memories of the difference I was privileged to make in my community ( helping those with tears, pain, confusion and terror.... it can keep ones heart warm)..... I would NEVER recommend this profession to any sane person. Perhaps I could have retired at 43 had I chosen a different way of life.

To hell with the pond scum.............


32 posted on 02/05/2006 8:02:46 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Dog Gone
Pondlife?
33 posted on 02/05/2006 8:08:35 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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