Posted on 01/16/2006 3:05:20 PM PST by warpcorebreach
Dennis Rader’s pastor sought permission to perform a jailhouse exorcism on the BTK killer but authorities wouldn’t allow it, the Rev. Michael Clark told an Overland Park audience Sunday. Clark believes demonic forces drove Rader to murder 10 victims in the Wichita area, he said at Holy Cross Lutheran Church. In response to an audience member’s question, the Lutheran pastor said he spoke at length with the Sedgwick County sheriff about performing the exorcism. The sheriff politely refused to allow it, Clark said. “Dennis was influenced, I believe, by some kind of demonic force and that played a role in the choices and decisions he made,” Clark said earlier in his speech, adding that Rader still had a choice in how to react to the demons.
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If the exorcism is successful would he be released?
Yeah, no kidding!
It would not surprise me that he is posessed, but all things being equal you should do the exorcism BEFORE he kills all those people. Now you just let him sit in jail with his demons and since he is not elgible for execution. He can stew about what he did for the rest of his miserable horrible life!
How anyone could not believe in good and evil.
He reminds me of the book This Present Darkness...
..and the moment the church folk realized they had let Satan become part of their congregation.
In the book he said...'You invited me in'..
Chilling...
That is why one would hope/pray for discernment.
Surely, this man gave off clues.
Good decision on the part of the authorities. A Protestant minister does not have the faculties to adequately perform such an exorcism rite. The basis for "The Exorcist" was a Mt. Rainier boy who injured the Lutheran pastor and eventually the exorcism had to be performed at St. Louis University by Jesuits.
I didn't now that Protestants even believed in exorcism. Surely the guy is possessed. Where's a herd of swine when you need one........
Actually, in reviewing the confessions and crime letters from several serial killers, it seems demonism is prevalent in many of them.
Ted Bundy described such a "force" that would not let him alone until he killed violently.
In one of the the Zodiac Killer's first notes, he also refers to a "thing" that wouldn't leave him alone unless he killed.
Jack the Ripper's letter are heavily demonic in nature.
David Burkowitz describes being delivered from demonic possession when he repented and received Christ as Savior.
Mark Chapman describes a deliverance from demonic spirits in a rare interview several years ago.
Of course, several serial killers have been openly Satanic, like Richard Ramirez, and Henry Lucas.
I would say that serial killing is simply too aberrant of behavior to simply be some psychological condition, (no matter how described or supported.) Remember all those "multiple personality" cases from several years ago, (whatever happened to all that stuff, anyway?) Shear demonism, (if it truly exists.)
Demons are REAL. They are not some myth or fantasy, but are actual fallen angels that possess supernatural powers. They can enter into people via some form of abominable sin, like witchcrafting and necromancy, (communicating with dead spirits.) Once in, they are impossible to remove except by means of repentance towards God and faith towards the Lord Jesus Christ.
Some can be cast out by simply commanding them in Jesus Name to depart. Others are far harder, and, as Christ Himself declared, "This kind comes out only by prayer and fasting." Therefore, I would imagine the demon(s) present in Dennis Rader is/are quite powerful, and would require significant spiritual preparation.
(BTW, to any scoffer reading this. You are not immune from the influence and danger of these fallen spirits, REGARDLESS of your current opinion. Once these beings enter into a person, they are impossible to remove except by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST.)
Of course, that was before the Jesuits signed up with the other team!
Oh sure, imagine if you had special glasses so that you could "see" these things in people. you'd probably be shocked.
Oh, by the way- safe bet?-- Howard Stern... Don't need special glases for that one. ha
Is the study of serial killers your hobby or you just dropping names?
Does not all authority come from Christ? I think that name transcends any "rite" or human authority you may be appealing to. I think your god is too small.
Regarding MDC:
"As he related it to Gaines, he felt the Holy Spirit come down and say there were demons inside him. "And I asked in Jesus' name [for them to come out]. My face was snarling and it came out my mouth, this thing, and it was gone. And I said, `I'm ready, God, let's get 'em all out, let's go.'
"During that hour six came out. [They were] the most fierce and incredible things you ever saw or heard in your life hissing, gurgling noises and different voices right out of my mouth. The way I was acting cursing and things like this weren't me, and when they came out I could sense these things coming out of my mouth, hissing and awful gurgling and grinding and I could feel that part of my personality was gone.
"Believe me, Jim, I wasn't doing this. Something was happening to me."
"I believed him," Gaines writes.
Regarding Ted Bundy:
Ted Bundy was featured in a February 1996 A & E cable broadcast of the program Biography moderated by Jack Perkins. The program said this about an outside force which contributed to Bundy's crimes:
Now again, he would never admit that he "heard voices," because he knew that was insane. But, he would describe someone as "another Ted". This other Ted would start talking to him in this growling voice and point out that this woman thinks you could never have her. 'Look at her walking by. What is she thinking about you ...' And work him up into this hatred where then he would start this process of stalking ..."
Read reply #10. He's dead right. Read up on the topic.
David Burkowitz describes being delivered from demonic possession when he repented and received Christ as Savior.
Mark Chapman describes a deliverance from demonic spirits in a rare interview several years ago.
I know the man, Don Dickerman, who performed both of those deliverances. He's gentle and quiet, never charges for his work, and is very unassumming. He's also very good. A deliverance really is something to see, though they're nothing like they're portrayed to be in Hollywood. Demon infestastion (not really "possession") is much, much more common than the church believes it to be.
A couple of years ago I would have agreed with you. No longer though. People do become insane, do commit crimes on their own accord, but that doesn't mean that demons don't exist. I've seen changes after deliverances that can't be explained by anything short of a miracle.
I have no doubt that there are people possessed by demons today. Murderers, gang members, islamofacists, sure. But also media stars, singers, people who have a lot of sway over the minds of kids and adults. The biggest danger is to imagine that there isn't a very powerful being out there who hates your guts.
In another vein, I firmly believe that one of the reasons that some of our cities are in such bad shape is because of the murders that have occurred. When blood is spilt, it cries out. I think that there should be a ceremony, or a prayer, or something to "cleanse" a place where a murder has happened. Not to appease God, but to cleanse the place of the evil that will stay around for awhile and infect others.
A Glock is a very effective tool for exorcism. .40 S&W ought to handle it quite well.
More on Bundy:
Ted Bundy would never admit that he’s done it. But what he was able to do was to talk about the entity that would take over . He said "I imagine that this is how it would be for a serial killer. I’m not one. But I imagine it would be like this " he said "that there is an entity in you, that wants to do these terrible things. And you sort of stand back, and watch him do it, and are horrified at what he does. But he, this entity, can’t be stopped, can’t be controled".
You are obsessed.
Most of the Ripper letters are hoaxes. The most credible of them--the one that included what may or may not have been Catherine Eddowes' kidney--reads as follows:
"From hell.
Mr Lusk,
Sor
I send you half the Kidne I took from one woman and prasarved it for you tother piece I fried and ate it was very nise. I may send you the bloody knif that took it out if you only wate a whil longer
signed
Catch me when you can Mishter Lusk"
Not particularly satanic, other than the "From Hell" return address. And that's the most overt mention of anything demonic. The other two letters that are considered possibles are mostly chuckling, if gruesome, taunts at the cops. No sign of satan in them.
Of course, several serial killers have been openly Satanic, like Richard Ramirez, and Henry Lucas.
No dispute on Ramirez, but Lucas was hardly a satanist. What he was was a guy who so liked being the center of attention around cops that he'd tell them anything. "Are you a satanist?" "Yup"
Lucas is the only guy that President Bush ever commuted a death sentence on, when it was proven that he couldn't possibly have committed the crime he confessed to and for which he'd been sentenced to death. He confessed to hundreds of killings, but closer examination shows that he probably only killed three people.
I enjoyed reading the interviews with Dennis Rader--it bursts the 'Hannibal Lector' idea of serial killer's intelligence. Dennis Rader was sooooo dumb!
The only reason he got away with any of it is that the Wichita PD is dumber than he was...
Okay, I feel better now. Whenever I would hear the BTK killer mentioned on television, I would think of Burger King, like it was some new sandwich there.
This article is NOT correct.
The pastor was completely misquoted by the paper and other news outlets have said the Star report is incorrect, though unfortunately, it went out on the wires.
He may be possessed to commit such evil deeds, but even if so, should sit in jail for the rest of his life.
On the other hand, human nature is evil enough to lead to his murderous acts without requiring demonic possession.
Wiccans claim to not acknowledge the existence of Satan and that they do not worship him, so that is interesting.
The minister released a statement yesterday saying the Star misquoted him. He never tried to have an exorcism performed at all, and he acknowledged he was not qualified.
Protestants don't have the same elaborate ritual, but we do believe in exorcism. However, I would prefer the aid of an actual exorcist over my pastor, as much as I love the guy.
Me too. Have you ever tried it on rosemary baguette with escarole? :)
I have not had any experience with demons thank goodness, but I know people who have, and it is absolutely beyond terrifying. A friend witnessed an exorcism...and it was by far the most frightening experience of his life.
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