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AP NewsBreak: Pastor calls for boycott of Microsoft, HP for backing gay rights bill
ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 1/16/06 | Rachel La Corte - ap

Posted on 01/16/2006 7:26:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - A pastor on Monday called for a national boycott of Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard and other companies that support a gay civil rights bill, saying the corporations have underestimated the power of religious consumers.

The Rev. Ken Hutcherson, pastor of Antioch Bible Church in the Seattle suburb of Redmond, said he would formally issue the boycott Thursday on the conservative radio show Focus on the Family.

"We're tired of sitting around thinking that morals can be ignored in our country," he said. "This is not a threat, this is a promise. Check out the past presidential election. We made the moral issue the No. 1 issue."

Last week, several companies, including Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett Packard Co., Microsoft Corp., Boeing Co., and Nike Inc. signed a letter urging passage of the measure, which would add "sexual orientation" to a Washington state law that already bans discrimination in housing, employment and insurance based on race, gender, age, disability, religion, marital status and other factors.

Microsoft is restoring its support for the proposal a year after the company was denounced for quietly dropping its endorsement.

Hutcherson, who has organized anti-gay-marriage rallies in Seattle and Washington, D.C., says he pressured Microsoft into dropping its support for the bill last year by threatening a boycott.

The company, which was criticized by gay activists across the country, insisted it took a neutral stance to focus on other issues but later said it would support the measure in the future.

Asked about the boycott Monday, Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos said the company would not change its position. He declined to comment further.

Boeing spokesman Peter Conte said the company had no plans to withdraw its support for the legislation.

"The position that we have taken is one that we do feel strongly about," he said. "It is entirely consistent with our own internal practices and policies."

Other companies did not return phone calls on Monday.

The bill has been introduced - and rejected - annually for nearly 30 years in the Legislature.

The state House last year passed the bill 61-37. But it lost by one vote in the Senate. The measure is believed to have a better chance of passage this year because a Republican senator has announced he would switch his vote to yes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boycott; celebrateperversity; despotism; gayrights; gayrightsbill; hewlettpackard; homos; homosexualagenda; hp; hutch; hutcherson; kenhutcherson; lavendarmafia; microsoft; pastor; pastorhutch; pc; perversion; politicalcorrectness; pudding; queernation; queers; thoughtcrime

1 posted on 01/16/2006 7:26:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Hope he knows Linux...


2 posted on 01/16/2006 7:29:36 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: NormsRevenge

The hard truth of the matter is that on culture war issues the multinational corporation is the enemy.

Something for the free market at all costs types on this board to consider.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 7:29:50 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think you have to pick and choose your battles wisely. I don't think this is a very good choice, although I appreciate the Pastor's point of view.


4 posted on 01/16/2006 7:34:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Agreed. This is a heckuva David vs. Goliath match-up.


5 posted on 01/16/2006 7:36:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

The problem is, people can't do without computers. Is Microsoft to the left of Apple? Is Hewlett Packard worse than its competitors?


6 posted on 01/16/2006 7:38:41 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: darkwing104

LOL!!


7 posted on 01/16/2006 7:39:52 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: darkwing104

I don't know what you'll use for a computer. I don't know of any major computer companies that aren't seriously left-wing. Apple, M$, H-P, you name it. There isn't anyone out there that makes computers that wouldn't back this bill.


8 posted on 01/16/2006 7:42:21 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Sam the Sham

They obviously fear the gay lobby more than the religious lobby...

As soon as that is reversed, I'm sure they'll reverse their position as well, or at least be neutral.


9 posted on 01/16/2006 7:43:59 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Cicero

"The problem is, people can't do without computers. Is Microsoft to the left of Apple?"

Actually, Apple leans to the left. But there is an alternative as in post #2, Linux. No one controls Linux and anyone can start up a distribution. There once was a Christian version of Red Hat, if I remember right.

I use Ubuntu Linux. I paid them nothing, it's free. And it works. If the Ubuntu people came out with a pro-left statement, all Christians would have to do is fork Ubuntu.


10 posted on 01/16/2006 7:48:48 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: Richard Kimball

Seems crazy, but big companies don't exactly support laizzes faire - corporatism suits them better!!


11 posted on 01/16/2006 7:51:06 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who is the Republican Senator backstabber? Way to go Hutch, Rush Limbaugh's friend.

All we can do is not buy products by these companies and tell your friends as well


12 posted on 01/16/2006 7:51:41 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Sam the Sham
Only because like much of the rest of organized life, liberals have pressured them into it. What corporation wants to be tainted as a racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic entity?

Meanwhile they have little discomfort for employing those in the PR offices who are quite willing to lash out at conservative customers who call to complain. ABC, Target, and others have had to distance themselves from comments made in response to complaints.

The truth of the matter is that corporations have been co-opted from within by those who dislike corporations and capitalists ANYWAY.
13 posted on 01/16/2006 7:51:48 PM PST by weegee (Jan 16, 2006 - Happy holiday.)
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To: darkwing104

"Hope he knows Linux..."

Hutcherson sound about as nutty as Fred Phelps or Louis Sheldon.


14 posted on 01/16/2006 7:51:54 PM PST by punster
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To: NormsRevenge

The Pastor's efforts would be felt more strongly against the politicians who support the bill IMO.


15 posted on 01/16/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by jwh_Denver (Don't be near Ted Kennedy when his liver explodes.)
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To: PastorBooks

However, most people don't have the computer smarts to use a free system like Linux, so I'll stick with everyone else and use MS Windows.

The fringe element is getting nuttier every day. I hope they enjoy living like the Amish.


16 posted on 01/16/2006 7:53:46 PM PST by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl

You don't really need much smarts any more. If you just want a desktop, there are many distributions that you can just install and start using.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 7:57:31 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: NormsRevenge

Got Root?


18 posted on 01/16/2006 7:57:59 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't know what you'll use for a computer.

I assemble my own computers and I am way right of M$. I can setup a computer that runs linux and have it do anything windows can do for free. Sad though, I really can't make a living doing that. Just about everyone wants to use Windows.


19 posted on 01/16/2006 8:01:30 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Sam the Sham
I'm generally a free-market kind of guy, but on this point, you're quite right. The large corporations are almost all actively undermining traditional values.

There is little reason now why someone can't do without Microsoft, if they really want to. Obviously, if you work for someone, and that's what they use, you can't help that. But at home, you can switch.

20 posted on 01/16/2006 8:15:56 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: darkwing104

'Just about everyone wants to use Windows'

It's more like everyone is to lazy to install a different OS.


21 posted on 01/16/2006 8:32:25 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: darkwing104
I considered Linux, but switched to a Mac instead. I do photography, and there are just too many programs not available for Linux. Photoshop, the RAW image file converters, print drivers for devices like the Epson 2200, noise reduction software, etc.

I think Linux is for people who REALLY like to get into computers and tweak under the hood, Mac is for people who do a lot of creative stuff, and don't want to get under the hood. BTW, I noticed something that MAY indicate M$ may need to start worrying about Apple again. Adobe is developing a new program called Lightroom. It's aimed at professional photographers, and they're developing it for the Macintosh platform before they develop it for Windows. That may just be because Vista won't be coming out until next year, but when was the last time a major software developer produced a multi-platform program for the Mac first? IMHO, Linux won't take off unless the peripheral manufacturers start developing drivers and the major software manufacturers start making Linux platform programs. For example, the Epson 2200 I use requires different ICC profiles for different papers. Epson makes the profiles that will plug into the Mac and Windows platforms, but I have no idea where I would find an Epson Photo Luster ICC profile for a Linux based printer driver, or where I would find an Epson 2200 print driver, for that matter. The Canon 1DMII RAW image converter is necessary to convert images from the Canon RAW format to TIFF or JPEG for editing. Canon makes it for Mac and Windows, not for Linux, and it's proprietary.

I think Linux will be relegated to tweakers and guys that run primarily web-centric operations unless some corporation starts persuading a LOT of people to support it.

22 posted on 01/16/2006 8:57:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: NormsRevenge

That's right folks, buy a Mac Book Pro, with iWork.


23 posted on 01/16/2006 8:59:29 PM PST by x5452
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To: NormsRevenge

So this would set the anti-discrimination law on it's head.


24 posted on 01/16/2006 9:01:55 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: NormsRevenge

Big Business wants to normalize it by making it illegal for Little Business to refrain from this pathology. Like the pot voting to paint the silverware black.


25 posted on 01/16/2006 9:02:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Richard Kimball
I think Linux will be relegated to tweakers and guys that run primarily web-centric operations unless some corporation starts persuading a LOT of people to support it.

I am watching Novell's work on linux platform. Let's see if it goes somewhere.


26 posted on 01/16/2006 9:04:56 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: NormsRevenge
I keep forgetting: Is Microsoft a state, a religion, or a political party?

The lines just keep getting blurrier.

To paraphrase Laura Ingraham: "Shut up and write crappy software!"

27 posted on 01/16/2006 9:04:58 PM PST by impatient
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To: NormsRevenge

Penguins for purity.


28 posted on 01/16/2006 9:05:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Sam the Sham

It's not just that, though. How is this good for business? It's just another stupid regulation to comply with, and it will undoubtedly tick off some of their consumers.


29 posted on 01/16/2006 9:08:57 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("There they go again...")
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe a campaign along the lines of "If you're straight, steal this software" would be more practical than trying to outright avoid the behemoth.

Of course, that is just an idle musing. I certainly do not advocate pirating software, no matter how despicable is the behavior of the company. It would be illegal. And it would be just plain wrong.

30 posted on 01/16/2006 9:11:13 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: Accygirl; punster; NYer; Victoria Delsoul; martin_fierro

Sometimes you've just got to do what you've got to do.

I have to appreciate the man's courage to stand up against Goliath.

Prayers up for his encouragement.


31 posted on 01/16/2006 9:11:13 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Richard Kimball
I think Linux will be relegated to tweakers and guys that run primarily web-centric operations...

That would be so, if the courts didn't keep redefining the definition of private property until everything you own is not yours, but merely leased from the company that holds the patent.

I liked nearly everything about Mac OS X... until I read the license.

My Linux computer is legally and truly my computer in a way that my Mac will never be.

32 posted on 01/16/2006 9:16:37 PM PST by impatient
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Who is the Republican Senator backstabber?

Bill Finkbeiner.

33 posted on 01/16/2006 9:26:24 PM PST by gogeo
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To: impatient
My Linux computer...

I have, for various reasons, been warming up to that idea.

I realize that with Linux you can have issues with drivers. But Linux is entirely compatible with Windows software? (I mean software that specifies "Windows" in System Requirements.)(I realize that the SFW vendor is not going to support it on an off-label OS but can I nonetheless be pretty confident that it will run?)

34 posted on 01/16/2006 9:26:49 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: impatient
I understand where you're coming from. However, from a practical standpoint, I have photos to shoot, develop, post on a web site, get to a newspaper, print, and sell. Here's a shot from one of my college games this year:

This was shot with a Canon 1DMII camera in RAW format. Canon does NOT make a Linux based RAW processor, and I have around $10,000 tied up in Canon photo gear. There is no Linux version of Photoshop, which I've been working with for over ten years. I don't want to or have time to chase down a RAW converter that might work, then learn a new photo editing program that I seriously doubt would be half as good as Photoshop, then look for a hacked Epson 2200 printer driver and ICC profiles developed open source. Like I said, Linux is great for guys that want to get under the hood, but I don't have time to build a system, or spend a week scouring the web for open source versions of programs that I KNOW exist for Mac. If Steve Jobs shows up at my house and wants his OS back, I guess I'll have to give it to him and get out of the photography business, or go back to the dark side with M$. But from my perspective, operating a photography business with Linux systems just isn't feasible.

35 posted on 01/16/2006 9:58:18 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Richard Kimball

"I considered Linux, but switched to a Mac instead. I do photography, and there are just too many programs not available for Linux. Photoshop, the RAW image file converters, print drivers for devices like the Epson 2200, noise reduction software, etc."

You can run Photoshop all day long under Xandros (linux)


36 posted on 01/16/2006 10:04:15 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: PastorBooks
Too limited a selection of applications with Linux compared to MS Windows. And not enough support for device drivers.

Other then that, its a great OS, better in many ways.

37 posted on 01/16/2006 10:18:42 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sorry...but *yawn*.


38 posted on 01/16/2006 10:30:56 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: LK44-40
Actually the Windows software is not compatible with Linux. In order to run it, you need emulators (like VMWare, a good but expensive product). I've never seen an open source arrangement that was satisfactory, or fast, or didn't crash from time to time.

So if you require a particular Windows application, keep Windows around.

OTOH, I actually, am quite pleased with the Linux driver situation. It seems counter-intuitive, but most common models and brands work out-of-the-box. That is, the driver comes with the OS. Yes, the new or unusual device won't, or will require you to upgrade your kernel. In these cases, however, I still find the drivers easier to acquire than their Windows counterparts (which usually require throwing down some cash).

Honestly, whenever I was forced to install devices on Windows computers, I usually ended up asking whomever was around "this is supposed to be easier than Linux?"

The amount of free, quality Linux advice on the internet must be 100 times the amount of Windows advice.

39 posted on 01/17/2006 5:12:30 AM PST by impatient
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To: impatient


Actually this will work pretty good. You see i am your common consumer never heard of linux? But I have now and i will explore my options, so will many others. sick of this taking over of America by the left. fight the good fight....that is picking your battles.


40 posted on 01/17/2006 5:16:50 AM PST by Texas4ever
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To: Libertina; paulat; Jack Black; Salmonslayer; elder5; Checkers; Brian Allen; lkco; phantomworker; ...

Evergreen State ping

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.

Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

41 posted on 01/17/2006 7:38:02 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006 | Is it February yet?)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Rev. Ken Hutcherson
seeks a boycott of businesses
supporting gay civil rights.

Legislature 2006
Boycott sought over bill backing gay rights

By RACHEL LA CORTE
The Associated Press

OLYMPIA — A pastor has called for a national boycott of Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard and other businesses that have come out in support of a gay civil-rights bill, saying Monday that the companies have underestimated the power of religious consumers.

The Rev. Ken Hutcherson, pastor of Antioch Bible Church of Redmond — also home to Microsoft — said he would officially make the call for the boycott Thursday on a national conservative talk-radio show, "Focus on the Family."

"We're tired of sitting around thinking that morals can be ignored in our country," he said. "This is not a threat, this is a promise. Check out the past presidential election. We made the moral issue the No. 1 issue."

Last week, several companies, including Microsoft, Boeing, Hewlett Packard and Nike signed a letter urging passage of the measure, which would add "sexual orientation" to a state law that already bans discrimination in housing, employment and insurance based on race, gender, age, disability, religion, marital status and other factors.

Microsoft's support comes a year after it was denounced for quietly dropping support for it.

Hutcherson, who has organized anti-gay-marriage rallies in Seattle and Washington, D.C., was at the middle of the Microsoft controversy last year on the gay-rights issue. He says he pressured Microsoft into dropping its support of the measure last year by threatening a boycott.

The company, which took heat from gay activists across the country, insisted it decided to take a neutral stance to focus on other issues but later came out saying it would support the measure in future years.

Asked about Hutcherson's threat Monday, Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos said, "Our position is well known, as we said in our letter last week, and we stick by it."

Boeing spokesman Peter Conte said the company had no plans to withdraw its support.

"The position that we have taken is one that we do feel strongly about," he said. "It is entirely consistent with our own internal practices and policies."

Rep. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, who has sponsored the measure for more than a decade, said he was not concerned that Hutcherson's move would have any impact on the companies' bottom line.

"The American people and citizens of Washington state aren't going to buy into his line of bigotry," he said.

Hutcherson said he has the support of several national organizations, including the Family Research Council, Southern Baptist Convention and Focus on the Family. Several of those organizations' offices could not be reached after hours Monday.

The Rev. Joseph Fuiten, a Bothell pastor who is chairman of Faith & Freedom Network, an organization that opposes the bill, said the boycott is a signal "that we're out here, too."

"These companies should stick to their business, make their widgets," he said. "Why are they trying to engineer social policy for America?"

Hutcherson said he's not telling companies to change their own internal policies on gay rights. He just doesn't want them influencing lawmakers with their support.

The bill has been introduced — and rejected — annually for nearly 30 years in the Legislature.

The state House last year passed the bill 61-37, with six Republicans joining 55 Democrats in favor. But it lost by one vote in the Senate, where two Democrats joined 23 Republicans in defeating the bill.

The measure is thought to have a better chance of passage this year because Sen. Bill Finkbeiner, R-Kirkland, announced last week that he would switch his vote to yes.

A House committee planned a public hearing on the bill today.

42 posted on 01/17/2006 12:32:19 PM PST by XR7
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To: DoughtyOne
I think you have to pick and choose your battles wisely. I don't think this is a very good choice...

This bill would force churches to hire gays and possibly even to offer domestic-partner benefits to their co-sodomites. If the church does not fight this battle here, they will be fighting discrimination lawsuits from gays for years to come.

43 posted on 01/17/2006 12:39:23 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Between the Lines; NormsRevenge; All
There will be a hearing on Tuesday January 17th at 10:00 AM in the O'Brien Building, in Olympia (Hearing Room D) on HB 2661, the bill that replaces last session's bill HB 1515 that failed to pass the Senate by one vote.

The new bill is essentially the same as last year's with a slight "improvement", defining "gender expression or identity". HB 2661 would codify into state law special protections for the following expressions of gender expression or identity:

(15) "'Sexual orientation' means heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, and gender expression or identity. As used in this definition, 'gender expression or identity' means having or being perceived as having a gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression, whether or not that gender identity, or expression is different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned to that person at birth;..."

Here is a link to HB 2661: http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2661.pdf

This bill essentially protects all perversion as normal behavior - a true "celebration of diversity" - and there is nothing any employer, church, or school will be able to do about it.


44 posted on 01/17/2006 12:55:37 PM PST by XR7
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

FINKbiener... believe he was the minority leader last year. Republicans are their own worst enemy.


45 posted on 01/17/2006 1:03:47 PM PST by Libertina
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To: Between the Lines; All

When I first saw this article, I didn't read it as close as I should have. I should have realized that Churches would be required to adhere to new guidelines on hiring. I was wrong.

The churches should fight this.

As for coming out against certain corporations, it is appropriate, but I'm not sure what impact it's going to have. None the less, I don't blame the churches for objecting to the proposed legislation and those who support it.

Whoops!


46 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/11/06: Ted Kennedy becomes the designated driver and moral spokesperson for the Democrat party.)
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To: Westlander
It's more like everyone is to lazy to install a different OS.

In the corporate world, it's because businesses don't want to pay extra for an xNIX-experienced IT staff vs. Windows-experienced. And training their Windows staff on xNIX costs more $$ too.

47 posted on 01/17/2006 1:51:00 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge

The pastor should be applauded for his courage and leadership in taking a stand for (real) marriage. Those who really understand what is at stake should not stand back and just watch. Rather, this is the time to rally behind this and similar movements to defend traditional marriage and traditional families from such reckless social experimentation.

In Europe, "gay marriage" is a proven failure. Simply put, it's not living up to all the "good" it was intended to do. And such "good" deserves no place in our nation, which is supposed to uphold a high moral standard. In, Canada one could be jailed for speaking particular verses from the bible that take homosexual behavior to task. Let's not be so naive that a similar law could not be destined for America. It could...and would also squash free speech here in America.

BTW - The American Family Association (AFA) has been threatening to boycott Ford for their corporate policies of support for gay marriage. I solidly stand behind AFA...and even though I prefer Ford products I will NOT buy a new Ford if Ford refuses to cave in on supporting gay "civil rights". Here is the latest: http://media.afa.net/newdesign/ReleaseDetail.asp?id=3364

True, MS has a monopoly on software, which leaves consumers with few if any choices. However, there is a clear choice of buying say a Dodge versus a Ford. Regardless, we have to take a stand on this issue of incredible magnitude or we fail to stand for anything.

Believers should be praying for Pastor Hutcherson. He is fighting a tough battle, but it is a "good fight". He is, I believe, the founder of Mayday For Marriage, which held rallies all accross America in 2005. For more details, here is the Mayday For Marriage website: http://www.maydayformarriage.com/




48 posted on 01/18/2006 9:34:55 AM PST by American Sovereignty Defender (Liberals are not ignorant, they just know SO MUCH that isn't so.)
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