Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion

Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

[Howlin]

JERUSALEM, Jan. 16 (UPI) -- Israel's high court ruled Monday against convicted spy Jonathan Pollard's request to be deemed a prisoner of Zion and repatriated from the United States.

Pollard, a civilian U.S. Naval intelligence analyst pleaded guilty to espionage on June 4, 1986, and received a life sentence and a recommendation that he never be paroled.

He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1996 after Israel recognized his status as a spy and pledged to fund his legal expenses, the Jerusalem Post reported.

However, in court the government argued that Pollard cannot be granted the status because Zionist organizations and activities are not banned under U.S. law.

Pollard's wife, Esther, told Army Radio she found it "unbelievable" that Israel would work to release killers in other countries but let Pollard stay in prison.

[Radix]

I have actually read every word of that book of (so called) fairy tales more than once. I also took a few related courses back in my college days. I think that your hostility is a bit telling.

Anyhow, I have been a staunch supporter of Israel for most of my life, but I am first and foremost an American.

[montag813]

Pollard's wife, Esther, told Army Radio she found it "unbelievable" that Israel would work to release killers in other countries but let Pollard stay in prison.

I am so sick of her stupid whining. He broke the law. That's it, end of story.

[Peach]

Who doesn't?

[familyop]

"Not our problem. Let's execute this guy,..."

Let's execute Hanssen (who worked for Opus Dei), too.

[LEPEN]

Good idea

[SJackson]

In comment #68, poinq (the "guy" you're referring to) wrote:
"The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist."

In comment #107, beckett wrote:
"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business,..."

Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters.

[Johnnyboy2000]

"Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters."


That is quite a leap from what people on this thread are actually saying. People like you on this thread just toss around accusations of anti-Semitism because you cannot address the real issues. Which are:

1) Israel is not concerned with the national security of the United States. They are only concerned with the national security of Israel.

2) Israel has stolen US technology and sold it to our good friends the Chinese and Russians.

3) Israel has formed a powerful lobbying organization inside the US that attempts highjack US foreign policy so that it serves Israel's objectives.

4) The Israeli Government insults the US time and again by trying to strongarm us into turning over this criminal who jeopardized the safety of all the American people on Israel's behalf.

5) Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty and killed 34 Americans.

6) Israel founders committed the same types of terrorist acts that they now condemn, but this was before they had the most powerful countries on earth supplying them with modern weapons.

7) Israel has been a destablizing force in the region for the past 57 years.

8) Nobody pays a higher price for Israel's actions than the American people.

9) Palestinians actually are human beings. They are not some animals that need to be exterminated from the earth.

10) Israel would not exist without the help of the USA, USSR, Britain, and France.

11) The Palestinian based groups fighting Israel have no plans to take over America, and that is a ludicrous claim.

12) The Islamic groups like Al-Qaeda that want to dominate the world and region and attack the US and Eurpoe are not the same thing as the Palestinian people and their groups that want to restore their country.

13) Israel never has and never will take military action to defend the United States, but their powerful lobbying groups want the US to invade the entire middle east so that Israel can be more secure.

14) Just because someone points out these things, it does not make them a terrorist sympathizer. I have a much bigger problem with Islamists than I do with Israel, but I still dislike the way Israel conducts itself.

15) Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic. That is just a red herring that Israel supporters use to evade the issues.

16) The Palestinian people should be angry about how they have been treated. The fact that some Plaestinian leaders are evil, insane criminal nuts who strap bombs to lttle kids so that they can kill women and children does not change the fact the Palestinian people were wronged during the founding of Israel.

[Johnnyboy2000]

No bs hear. The bs I see on this thread stands for blind support of a nation that could give two craps about American interests. I raced a 250 so it wasn't a little motocross bike as you so eloquently stated. And you don't "fall" off a bike. You fly off a bike.

[SJackson]

"Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters." … That is quite a leap from what people on this thread are actually saying. People like you on this thread just toss around accusations of anti-Semitism because you cannot address the real issues. Which are:

No, that’s precisely the meaning of “Israel doesn’t need to exist”, as expressed in If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist and The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business,..."

BTW, please reference the posts on this thread where I referred to anyone as an antisemite, lest I think of you as a liar, liar.

[Johnnyboy2000]

Saying someone wants the jews eradicated from the earth is calling them an anti-Semite and it can be taken no other way. Stand by your comments if you are gonna make them. And last time I checked, most jews on earth do not live in Israel, so saying Israel should not exist is not the same thing as saying jews should be exterminated It is not even close to the same thing.

Estimates are that there are approximately 14 Million jews on the planet. Less tha 6 million live in Israel. More jews are in the US than are in Israel.

[familyop]

Read some history to get a clue, and stop supporting those who are on our US list of terrorist orgizations (Hamas, Hezbollah,...). The "Palestinians" are voting Hamas leaders into office.

British Mandate for Palestine (WW I to 1948)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate.php

[Johnnyboy2000]

And....Saying Israel should go out of business, does not imply that all the jews living there should be killed. It just means that they should not have their own government. By the way, I do not neccessarily think Israel shouldgo out business. I just think the US should reexamine our relationship with that nation.

[SJackson]

Saying someone wants the jews eradicated from the earth is calling them an anti-Semite and it can be taken no other way. Stand by your comments if you are gonna make them.

Not at all, they could be ignorant, they could made quick comments not have having thought the reprecussions through, they could be Islamists, they could be Jewhaters. You seem to have made a decision, I haven't.

Estimates are that there are approximately 14 Million jews on the planet. Less tha 6 million live in Israel. More jews are in the US than are in Israel. BTW, in general terms you're correct that the destruction of Israel might only cost 6 million Jewish lives, leaving 8 million in the world, mostly in the US. They wouldn't be exterminated worldwide, only in Israel.

You have a rather sick mind to think in those terms.

[rcocean]

You're just wasting your time with SJackson.

He's M.O. is the run around calling everyone names, Anti-semite, jew-hater, etc.

Trying to reason with him is impossible.

[SJackson]

Check out 170, no Israel, lose 6 million Jews, that's not extermination, there's still 8 million left.

[SJackson]

You're just wasting your time with SJackson....He's M.O. is the run around calling everyone names, Anti-semite, jew-hater, etc....Trying to reason with him is impossible.

Yeah, I'm a Nazi after all. That coming from an ignorant FR troll who routinely discounts the opinion of Jews, aka "members of that tribe". Johnnyboy, you've got good company.

[DoNotDivide]

I don't believe that we would be all speaking Russian right now had we not cozied up to the Communist Chinese.

[familyop]

The following is from the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise:

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties and said three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.

On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews."1

We are not like the majority in western Europe. We perpetuate no "conspiracy," as we're open and public about being in the right against filthy terrorists and their neo-Nazi friends. Deal with it.

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003.

ICM
"ICM Research interviewed a random sample of 1,000 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 20-21st April, 2002. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.
. . .
Q3. In the dispute in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians, from what you have seen and heard about the conflict which of the two do you sympathise with more, Israel or the Palestinians?'

Israel           14%
Palestine      28%
Both            14%
Neither         23%
Don't know   20%
"

And IMO, we should never trust a western European country with stealth technology, after individuals in that nation's "Intelligence" published classified communications with our intelligence offices in The Guardian and other anti-American opinion rags.

[Johnnyboy2000]

See post 172.

[Johnnyboy2000]

I see that.