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Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion
Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

Posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:56 PM PST by Howlin

Edited on 01/16/2006 8:30:39 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: beckett
This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

It takes two to Tango - what have the Palestinians done for peace? The Arabs are like the Germans of 1914-1945, they are their own worst enemies. No PR skills, No desire to compromise, no desire to be reasonable and accept reality.
151 posted on 01/17/2006 11:08:26 AM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

All countries spy on each other. That doesn't excuse Pollard. Pollard should rot in jail for life. But that doesn't mean the US should just cut all ties and aid to Israel.

As for the Liberty incident, it was a giant bungleup all around.


152 posted on 01/17/2006 11:22:18 AM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: WoofDog123
The Israelis were in a war and they might have been annihilated had they lost.

The Liberty was gathering intel and using it for what, to gain favor with Egypt?

I dunno but Israel did something, and the US government has kept pretty quiet about the matter.

Would it have been in the best interest of America to have had Israel wiped off the planet?

I honestly do not know what to believe on the matter.
153 posted on 01/17/2006 11:39:04 AM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: dennisw
"Taiwan is a major hi tech engineering and manufacturing country. Same as Japan and Korea. That's why China wants to absorb them, by war if necessary."

I missed that very important consideration. ...good catch.
154 posted on 01/17/2006 12:26:01 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; All

"Absolutely. It goes without saying that Israel is surrounded by countries that seek to wipe it off the face of the map."

Not our problem. Let's execute this guy, cut off all foreign aid to Egypt, Israel, and everyone else, close the borders to immigration. Finally, lets follow Washington's advice about not getting involved in extensive foreign alliances.


155 posted on 01/17/2006 12:39:01 PM PST by LEPEN
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To: Michael.SF.
If Pollard had donated to Clinton, what his family has paid in attorney fees, he would have been pardoned.

Truest statement on this thread.

156 posted on 01/17/2006 1:22:26 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: WoofDog123; poinq; beckett
You (WoofDog123) wrote:
"You obviously haven't been reading what the above parties have been saying, or you are trying to label this guy. I don't see this poster calling for the destruction of israel,..."

Let's review the comments that you're accusing me of being too hard on.

In comment #68, poinq (the "guy" you're referring to) wrote:
"The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist."

In comment #107, beckett wrote:
"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business,..."
157 posted on 01/17/2006 1:25:30 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: WoofDog123; A Jovial Cad
AJC wrote the best reply, IMO.
158 posted on 01/17/2006 1:30:56 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Peach
You don't want to defend Israel? Pat - is that you?

I want to defend the USA.

159 posted on 01/17/2006 1:56:57 PM PST by conserv13
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To: Radix
Call me superstitious

Okay, you are superstitious. You should base your loyalty to the laws that apply here today, not some fairy tale book of stories.

160 posted on 01/17/2006 1:58:31 PM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13

I have actually read every word of that book of (so called) fairy tales more than once. I also took a few related courses back in my college days. I think that your hostility is a bit telling.

Anyhow, I have been a staunch supporter of Israel for most of my life, but I am first and foremost an American.


161 posted on 01/17/2006 2:33:19 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: Howlin
Pollard's wife, Esther, told Army Radio she found it "unbelievable" that Israel would work to release killers in other countries but let Pollard stay in prison.

I am so sick of her stupid whining. He broke the law. That's it, end of story.

162 posted on 01/17/2006 3:02:28 PM PST by montag813
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To: conserv13

Who doesn't?


163 posted on 01/17/2006 3:44:02 PM PST by Peach
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To: LEPEN
"Not our problem. Let's execute this guy,..."

Let's execute Hanssen (who worked for Opus Dei), too.
164 posted on 01/17/2006 3:59:41 PM PST by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

Good idea


165 posted on 01/17/2006 4:01:00 PM PST by LEPEN
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To: familyop; beckett; poinq
In comment #68, poinq (the "guy" you're referring to) wrote:
"The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist."

In comment #107, beckett wrote:
"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business,..."

Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters.

166 posted on 01/17/2006 4:25:20 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: SJackson

"Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters."


That is quite a leap from what people on this thread are actually saying. People like you on this thread just toss around accusations of anti-Semitism because you cannot address the real issues. Which are:

1) Israel is not concerned with the national security of the United States. They are only concerned with the national security of Israel.

2) Israel has stolen US technology and sold it to our good friends the Chinese and Russians.

3) Israel has formed a powerful lobbying organization inside the US that attempts highjack US foreign policy so that it serves Israel's objectives.

4) The Israeli Government insults the US time and again by trying to strongarm us into turning over this criminal who jeopardized the safety of all the American people on Israel's behalf.

5) Israel intentionally attacked the Liberty and killed 34 Americans.

6) Israel founders committed the same types of terrorist acts that they now condemn, but this was before they had the most powerful countries on earth supplying them with modern weapons.

7) Israel has been a destablizing force in the region for the past 57 years.

8) Nobody pays a higher price for Israel's actions than the American people.

9) Palestinians actually are human beings. They are not some animals that need to be exterminated from the earth.

10) Israel would not exist without the help of the USA, USSR, Britain, and France.

11) The Palestinian based groups fighting Israel have no plans to take over America, and that is a ludicrous claim.

12) The Islamic groups like Al-Qaeda that want to dominate the world and region and attack the US and Eurpoe are not the same thing as the Palestinian people and their groups that want to restore their country.

13) Israel never has and never will take military action to defend the United States, but their powerful lobbying groups want the US to invade the entire middle east so that Israel can be more secure.

14) Just because someone points out these things, it does not make them a terrorist sympathizer. I have a much bigger problem with Islamists than I do with Israel, but I still dislike the way Israel conducts itself.

15) Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic. That is just a red herring that Israel supporters use to evade the issues.

16) The Palestinian people should be angry about how they have been treated. The fact that some Plaestinian leaders are evil, insane criminal nuts who strap bombs to lttle kids so that they can kill women and children does not change the fact the Palestinian people were wronged during the founding of Israel.


167 posted on 01/17/2006 5:52:22 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: Napoleon Solo

No bs hear. The bs I see on this thread stands for blind support of a nation that could give two craps about American interests. I raced a 250 so it wasn't a little motocross bike as you so eloquently stated. And you don't "fall" off a bike. You fly off a bike.


168 posted on 01/17/2006 6:14:49 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
"Needless to say, the Jews have to be eradicated from the earth. Not a new thought, it's in the news as we speak, and has it's supporters." … That is quite a leap from what people on this thread are actually saying. People like you on this thread just toss around accusations of anti-Semitism because you cannot address the real issues. Which are:

No, that’s precisely the meaning of “Israel doesn’t need to exist”, as expressed in If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist and The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business,..."

BTW, please reference the posts on this thread where I referred to anyone as an antisemite, lest I think of you as a liar, liar.

169 posted on 01/17/2006 6:19:54 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: SJackson

Saying someone wants the jews eradicated from the earth is calling them an anti-Semite and it can be taken no other way. Stand by your comments if you are gonna make them. And last time I checked, most jews on earth do not live in Israel, so saying Israel should not exist is not the same thing as saying jews should be exterminated It is not even close to the same thing.

Estimates are that there are approximately 14 Million jews on the planet. Less tha 6 million live in Israel. More jews are in the US than are in Israel.


170 posted on 01/17/2006 6:25:12 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

Read some history to get a clue, and stop supporting those who are on our US list of terrorist orgizations (Hamas, Hezbollah,...). The "Palestinians" are voting Hamas leaders into office.

British Mandate for Palestine (WW I to 1948)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate.php


171 posted on 01/17/2006 6:27:16 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: SJackson

And....Saying Israel should go out of business, does not imply that all the jews living there should be killed. It just means that they should not have their own government. By the way, I do not neccessarily think Israel shouldgo out business. I just think the US should reexamine our relationship with that nation.


172 posted on 01/17/2006 6:30:29 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Saying someone wants the jews eradicated from the earth is calling them an anti-Semite and it can be taken no other way. Stand by your comments if you are gonna make them.

Not at all, they could be ignorant, they could made quick comments not have having thought the reprecussions through, they could be Islamists, they could be Jewhaters. You seem to have made a decision, I haven't.

Estimates are that there are approximately 14 Million jews on the planet. Less tha 6 million live in Israel. More jews are in the US than are in Israel. BTW, in general terms you're correct that the destruction of Israel might only cost 6 million Jewish lives, leaving 8 million in the world, mostly in the US. They wouldn't be exterminated worldwide, only in Israel.

You have a rather sick mind to think in those terms.

173 posted on 01/17/2006 6:33:23 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

You're just wasting your time with SJackson.

He's M.O. is the run around calling everyone names, Anti-semite, jew-hater, etc.

Trying to reason with him is impossible.


174 posted on 01/17/2006 6:33:49 PM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: familyop

Check out 170, no Israel, lose 6 million Jews, that's not extermination, there's still 8 million left.


175 posted on 01/17/2006 6:34:21 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: rcocean; Johnnyboy2000
You're just wasting your time with SJackson....He's M.O. is the run around calling everyone names, Anti-semite, jew-hater, etc....Trying to reason with him is impossible.

Yeah, I'm a Nazi after all. That coming from an ignorant FR troll who routinely discounts the opinion of Jews, aka "members of that tribe". Johnnyboy, you've got good company.

176 posted on 01/17/2006 6:36:36 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: The Old Hoosier

I don't believe that we would be all speaking Russian right now had we not cozied up to the Communist Chinese.


177 posted on 01/17/2006 6:40:36 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
The following is from the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise:

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties and said three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.

On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews."1




We are not like the majority in western Europe. We perpetuate no "conspiracy," as we're open and public about being in the right against filthy terrorists and their neo-Nazi friends. Deal with it.

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003.

ICM
"ICM Research interviewed a random sample of 1,000 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 20-21st April, 2002. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.
. . .

Q3. In the dispute in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians, from what you have seen and heard about the conflict which of the two do you sympathise with more, Israel or the Palestinians?'

Israel           14%
Palestine      28%
Both            14%
Neither         23%
Don't know   20%
"

And IMO, we should never trust a western European country with stealth technology, after individuals in that nation's "Intelligence" published classified communications with our intelligence offices in The Guardian and other anti-American opinion rags.
178 posted on 01/17/2006 6:48:17 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: SJackson

See post 172.


179 posted on 01/17/2006 7:00:11 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: rcocean

I see that.


180 posted on 01/17/2006 7:00:53 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: SJackson

They won't want Israel to shut down when they find that if it does all the Jews will come to the US and built a Holocaust Museum on each and every corner.


181 posted on 01/17/2006 7:04:17 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Johnnyboy2000; A Jovial Cad; SJackson; Admin Moderator
You (Johnnyboy2000) wrote:
"And last time I checked, most jews on earth do not live in Israel, so saying Israel should not exist is not the same thing as saying jews should be exterminated It is not even close to the same thing.
Estimates are that there are approximately 14 Million jews on the planet. Less tha 6 million live in Israel. More jews are in the US than are in Israel.
"

Saying that "Israel should not exist" is neo-Nazi/pro-terrorist speech, as were comments by several others who were pinged very early on to this thread. Saying that the Jews should be moved elsewhere is neo-Nazi speech. Ahmadinejad recently said essentially the same and was even criticized by leaders of some of the more terrorist-appeasing nations for it.
182 posted on 01/17/2006 7:06:37 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: rcocean; B.O. Plenty
"You're just wasting your time with SJackson. He's M.O. is the run around calling everyone names, Anti-semite, jew-hater, etc."

That a repetition of slander that was uttered by a few others who were banned a few days ago. And this thread is just as ugly as that one was with comments against Israel's existance and the like.
183 posted on 01/17/2006 7:16:19 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: rcocean; B.O. Plenty

Correction:

That's a repetition...


184 posted on 01/17/2006 7:19:07 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Radix

I am a Zionist, Christian one, I believe that Israel belongs to the Jews as God promised. Pollard was a traitor, I have some problems with the Liberty Affair, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that Pollard was a traitor.


185 posted on 01/17/2006 7:32:17 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Radix

What's more important than whether America or individual Americans support Israel, is that the Lord G-d supports Israel. That's the bottom line.


186 posted on 01/17/2006 7:41:33 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

"What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?"

... I'm thinking... They did pay for some of Pollards legal defense, and, and... I'm thinking... They helped our good friends (the Chinese) get some of our most advanced military technology - doesn't these deeds count for something?


187 posted on 01/17/2006 7:48:53 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: Radix; Johnnyboy2000

"Want to fight about it?"

YES! Answer the question! What has Israel ever done for the United States?


188 posted on 01/17/2006 7:52:48 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com; Johnnyboy2000
"YES! Answer the question! What has Israel ever done for the United States?"

For one thing, Israel has compelled the USA to take a moral stand for something. WE AMERICANS would not have it any other way.

Can't see it? Well then, you do not know your neighbors very well.

Other than it's support for Israel, this nation has taken a dive on virtually every moral issue in the world. Perhaps I am overstating some, but your post pissed me off a lot.

189 posted on 01/17/2006 8:06:49 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

That's about it. And as someone whose family members gave their lives liberating Europe from the Nazis I resent being called a neo-Nazi. Some people forget that the jews were not the Nazis only victims. No are they the only people on earth who have experienced genocide or injustice. That may not be PC enough for people on this thread but it is true. So they should be careful when they throw that term around. And for the people whose main contribution to the war on terror is their blind support of Israel, you should be careful about who you call a terror sympathizer. The Americans who truly know what the war on terror is know that Israel has not helped us in this matter at all. That is about all I have left to say on this thread.


190 posted on 01/17/2006 8:10:28 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: Radix

Move to Israel if you this country is not up to your high moral standard. Go join the IDF and put your money were your mouth is.


191 posted on 01/17/2006 8:11:43 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tomorrow to live in world without crime, and go back to the circuit riding motocross)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com; rmlew
JeffersonRepublic wrote:
"Answer the question! What has Israel ever done for the United States?"

That's been asked a lot at IndyMedia, but the conspiracy-story-sucking liberaltarians and other lefties there don't seem to have any answers, either.

But a good Freeper answered earlier in this thread to some extent.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559350/posts?page=66#66
192 posted on 01/17/2006 8:20:20 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

I'm too old to do it again.

I ain't Jew enough to sign up in the Israeli Military. That would be for what is the only nation in the world that is actually standing up for truth justice and the American way.

I think that they do what they do because they must. Israel, as always, will be the the setters of the standard of conscience that the world, that Nations will be judged by.

I'll have to look back at your posts, but you are reading like an idiot, and I mean that in the most clinical way.


193 posted on 01/17/2006 8:24:32 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

I read another of your posts.

You are an effing idiot!


194 posted on 01/17/2006 8:25:45 PM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
"Move to Israel if you this country is not up to your high moral standard."

It's the 20% of neo-Nazis and other assorted lefties who are displaced.

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003.
195 posted on 01/17/2006 8:26:13 PM PST by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: DoNotDivide

Go back and read about Nixon.


196 posted on 01/17/2006 8:26:58 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Radix; Johnnyboy2000

You wrote:

"...the incident with the Liberty is problematic, but the Israelis were at war at the time.
Do you understand that?
If the USA were at war against the French for example, would you have a problem bombing a British ship that was giving Intel to the enemy?
... I think that the Israeli's acted prudently based on what I know."
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I don't care how "pissed off" you get. Your no better then your hero Pollard. The USS Liberty is easy to understand: read the quotes below. Isreal doesn't deserve our blind support.

Virtually every knowledgeable American official  is on public record calling the attack deliberate and the Israeli story untrue.  Here are a few of those American leaders.

"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "
          -- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk


"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
          -- CIA Director Richard Helms


"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
          -- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby


"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
          -- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson


"The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."
        -- Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31)


"A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."
          -- Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack.


"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
          -- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor


"The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack...was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.... It was our shared belief. . .that the attack. . .could not possibly have been an accident.... I am certain that the Israeli pilots [and] their superiors. . .were well aware that the ship was American."
          -- Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy (retired), senior legal counsel to the US Navy Court of Inquiry


That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
          -- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings


Former NSA/CIA Director Admiral Bobby Inman "flatly rejected" the Cristol/Israeli claims that the attack was an accident
          -- 5 March 2003 interview for Naval Institute Proceedings


Of four former NSA/CIA seniors with inside knowledge, none was aware of any agency official who dissented from the position that the attack was deliberate
          -- David Walsh, writing in Naval Institute Proceedings


"It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity."
        -- Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty, speaking at Arlington National Cemetery, June 8, 1997


"To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."
          -- Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in The Washington Post, June 15, 1991, p. 14


197 posted on 01/17/2006 8:32:51 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

I have and I find it still to be a lot of cow diddle when it comes to Communist China.


198 posted on 01/17/2006 8:43:32 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: rmlew
What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?
1. Failed to press victory in 1956, 1967, and 1973
2. Failed to destroy the PLO in 1983
3. Passed on information on Soviet tactics and weapons
4. Passed on information on Arab tactics
5. Set back Iraq's nuclear program? (OK Israel did that for itself, but we have benefited.
6. Traded captured terrorists for American hostages
7. Traded weapons with Iran for American hostages

Very weak! AND not worth billions of dollars or blind support.

1-4 who cares
5 self-serving
6 & 7 strengthen terrorist
199 posted on 01/17/2006 8:43:49 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: familyop
"nuclear plant and the current begging of Israel to take out Iran's many facilities"

Can you back this up?

200 posted on 01/17/2006 8:50:07 PM PST by brivette
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