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Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion
Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

Posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:56 PM PST by Howlin

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To: Radix; fallujah-nuker

"...and I firmly believe the any Nation which goes against them is in for trouble."

Exactly. Though sometimes the best thing we can do is allow a nation to stand on it's own and let nature take it's course. If Nixon had done the smart thing and not come to the aid of Israel, they would've been pushed into letting loose the nukes. Then, with tens of millions of Muslims already dead, there would've been no reason not to finish the job and the oil tankers coming from the Middle East today would be flying the Star of David.


51 posted on 01/16/2006 9:24:06 PM PST by neutronsgalore (Waffling George has failed to secure the borders...now it's Bouncing Betty's turn!)
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To: Alberta's Child

exactly my point


52 posted on 01/16/2006 9:25:10 PM PST by Michael.SF. ('Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada' - Ted Nugent.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

It appears you voted for Clinton.


53 posted on 01/16/2006 9:27:42 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: neutronsgalore

If it weren't for Nixon, Communist China might have dried up on the vine and resembled North Korea today.


54 posted on 01/16/2006 9:30:13 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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To: Peach

I have a problem with anyone that tries to excuse someone that did DISASTOROUS damage to US Intelligence by intimating that since it was done on Israel's behalf, it's all ok. It's not ok. He is a traitor and if it were up to me, he would be a dead one.


55 posted on 01/16/2006 9:33:30 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Some people in this country and on FR seem to think U.S. and Israeli intersts are the same thing, but they are not. It is insulting the way Israel has acted as if we have wronged them by arresting this traitor. Pollard should be thankful he wasn't executed like countless other spies captured by America in the past.

Of course no foreign country's interests can ever be completely aligned with that of another. If they were, then they would be the same country, but historically Israel has the best record of voting with the U.S.(in the U.N.) If any country is basically on the same page as the U.S., then it is Israel.

As to Mr. Pollard, you seem to think that all of Israel is demanding special treatment for him. Many convicted spies and traitors have not been executed, and many spies have not recieved life sentences. Many have actually had their sentence reduced.

56 posted on 01/16/2006 9:34:03 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: DoNotDivide

Yeah I voted for Clinton.

Why don't you actually read my posts on this thread? I stated that not pardoning Pollard was one of Clinton's better moments. If I think not pardoning a traitor criminal is one of his better moments, it is quite obvious that I don't think he was a very good president. You are quite perceptive.


57 posted on 01/16/2006 9:35:52 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: steel_resolve

Did you even read the post to which I was replying before you made your original post to me? Why don't you do that before you go spouting off.

I've never seen anyone advocate that this guy be let go. Or released to Israel.


58 posted on 01/16/2006 9:36:45 PM PST by Peach
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To: Alberta's Child
It's pretty surreal seeing and hearing biblical references from that from people here in the U.S., who give these Old Testament citations far more weight than most Israelis do.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. The majority of Israelis are not religous. There is a minority that are. But, regardless, what does ones faith in the Bible have to do with what Israelis believe?

59 posted on 01/16/2006 9:37:04 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The fact that even an unprincipled, mentally dysfunctional sh!t like Bill Clinton wouldn't grant a pardon to Pollard ought to tell you something.

Yeah, it tells me there was nothing in it for him.

60 posted on 01/16/2006 9:39:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Peach

Well, it seemed like you were advocating that. My apologies if that was not the case.


61 posted on 01/16/2006 9:42:49 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: DoNotDivide

"If it weren't for Nixon, Communist China might have dried up on the vine and resembled North Korea today."

wow..you are active tonight.(I promise I am not stalking you..just clicked on this thread and found you here...lol) Please explain to us how North Korea has 'dried on the vine', so to speak? They have starved their people for sure. Clintoon gave them the way to acquire nuclear weapons, not Nixon. If you are simple minded enough, to think that Nixon held the key to Communist China's ascendency in the world..you are a fool.


62 posted on 01/16/2006 9:45:32 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Peach

I'm sure he did read the post you responded to. You spouted off on me because I implied that if the Israelis had found in Pollard's favor and demanded that he come back, then the U.S. should give them a choice between accepting billions of dollars in military aid and minding their own business.


63 posted on 01/16/2006 9:45:55 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: steel_resolve

Thanks for getting my back in this beeotch.


64 posted on 01/16/2006 9:48:35 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: ozoneliar

He posted a citation from the Book of Genesis -- seemingly to justify/explain his support for Israel, and yet the modern state of Israel really has no religious significance whatsoever.


65 posted on 01/16/2006 9:50:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Sorry for finding it offensive when a counrty that exists because of American taxpayers hires our citizens to spy and us and then grants that person citizenship.
1. Israel existed for many years without US aid.
2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest.

Not to mention what our "allies" did to the USS Liberty with the jets we gave them.
Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France.

What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?
1. Failed to press victory in 1956, 1967, and 1973
2. Failed to destroy the PLO in 1983
3. Passed on information on Soviet tactics and weapons
4. Passed on information on Arab tactics
5. Set back Iraq's nuclear program? (OK Israel did that for itself, but we have benefited.
6. Traded captured terrorists for American hostages
7. Traded weapons with Iran for American hostages

66 posted on 01/16/2006 9:51:32 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

There was a lot more to it than that.


67 posted on 01/16/2006 9:54:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have. If it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist. They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs. The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.
68 posted on 01/16/2006 9:55:04 PM PST by poinq
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have. If it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist. They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs. The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.
69 posted on 01/16/2006 9:55:07 PM PST by poinq
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To: Johnnyboy2000

Maybe you would like it if Israel didn't exist. The next day after it existed every single group that is opposing Israel would would be trying to destroy the U.S. with twice the effort they tried to destroy Israel. Imagine all the groups united in hating the U.S. aligned together. Sorry, if I consider making this a safer country doing something for the U.S. While I don't always agree with the amount we fund other countries, the fact is the amount we pay Israel would not come close to covering the bill we would have to pay to defend ourselves if Israel wasn't there.


70 posted on 01/16/2006 9:55:20 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Alberta's Child
He posted a citation from the Book of Genesis -- seemingly to justify/explain his support for Israel, and yet the modern state of Israel really has no religious significance whatsoever.

A)The quote refers to Abraham, from whom most Jews claim descendancy. So, like I said, I believe the current belief of most Israelis is irrelevant.

B)If you look historically at Israel, there is still a large relegious component to the land.(still a minority)

71 posted on 01/16/2006 9:58:07 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

I'm not happy that Pollard was a spy, and that the info he stole was given to the Russians, but the fact is allies spy on each other. England spied on the U.S. in WWII. What should we have done about it?


72 posted on 01/16/2006 9:58:46 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Alberta's Child
Even the non-classified things they can share with you ought to be enough to dispel this silly idea that Israel is really a friend of the United States.

I'm listening. If it's nonclassified then tell us.

73 posted on 01/16/2006 10:00:49 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway
Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government.

None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.
74 posted on 01/16/2006 10:03:05 PM PST by poinq
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To: poinq
I'm shocked that your dislike for Israel is not only causing you distort historical fact, but to take the side of the Arabs here. Your statements not only bely your ignorance of the situation, but also your bias.

Israel has not been an historic aggressor of her neighbors. And you make it seem like they have other options besides taking "the hard line". Israel is willing to co-exist with the arabs/Muslims. They(the Muslims/Arabs) have fought tirelessly to destroy Israel.

75 posted on 01/16/2006 10:03:12 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: poinq
Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have.
Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies. Intelligence failures could lead to national destruction and genocide.
I would note that everyone spies on everyone else. Welcome to the adult world.

f it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.
There are plenty of systems we wont sell to anyone. Heck, we are threatening to keep Israel out of the F-35 JSF program.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel.
Any country whose leaders is not first and foremost interested in their country is on the path to destruction.
The US does not need Israel, but it has its uses.

They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.
Israel was attacked before its government was formed in 1947. Most of its neighbors are still at war with Israel!
Israel has given up 1/2 of its territory for broken promises and peace treaties one bullet from being repealed.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs.
The US iwants Israel to give up 1/4 of its remaining territory to people who wish to destroy it!

The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.
The EU is being colonized by Arabs and acting like good Dhimmi.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.
Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

76 posted on 01/16/2006 10:07:45 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: ozoneliar

There has been a "religious component" to that land for thousands of years. In that sense, nothing really changed at all in 1948.


77 posted on 01/16/2006 10:09:02 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: poinq
Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government. None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.

If you honestly believe that if Israel were destroyed all of the Muslims would come to love and embrace America, you are severly deluded. Personally if ind any attempts to justify terrorists sickening (as in we are only hated because we support Israel.)

78 posted on 01/16/2006 10:10:25 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: nickcarraway
Anyone who worked in counter-espionage during the Cold War will tell you that Israel was as big a threat to steal classified U.S. military secrets as the Soviet Union was.

"Ally of the United States," my @ss.

79 posted on 01/16/2006 10:11:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: poinq
Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government.
You know nothing of Islam, are a Dhimmi, or are practicing Taqqiah.
The Saudi government funds most Islamist groups. The Muslim Brotherood hated the US from its inception. Look up Sayed Qutb.

None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.
Are yoiu a leftist who does not believe in nation states, or do you simply believe in appeasing the Muslims?

80 posted on 01/16/2006 10:12:11 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: ozoneliar

As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does. The only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves. And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.


81 posted on 01/16/2006 10:14:14 PM PST by poinq
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To: rmlew

"1. Israel existed for many years without US aid."

Was that when they were occupied by the Romans? You have me there. But if you think the modern state of Israel would exist without US aid then you live in a fantasy world.


"2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest."


They don't need to admit it. We caught him. If they were being honest they would not be spying on our Navy's technology and passing it on to the Chinese.



"Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France."

You are correct that they used French jets. I forgot that detail, but my overall point did not lose its validity. Israel was still rcieving large amounts of aid from the U.S. at the time of the attack on the Liberty. And I know enough about the incident to know that Israeli jets killed 34 U.S. servicemen. The DCI at that time was Richard Helms and he felt it was a deliberate attack.


82 posted on 01/16/2006 10:14:54 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: rmlew
Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up. Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

Glad to somebody here is talking sense. Lots of the posts here look they were written by Euro-wimp appeaser code pink, Dhimmi-wannabees. The sooner people realize what Islam is all about the better.

83 posted on 01/16/2006 10:15:13 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: poinq
As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does. The only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves. And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.

What are smoking? What groups of Non-Jews are exported, simply because of their religon?

Who is not getting to vote? People who are not citzens? Wow! shocker!

I am inclined to believe you know nothing of whats going on there, or you are a Pali yourself.

84 posted on 01/16/2006 10:21:04 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: rmlew
I am as hard lined as they get now. But I watched the US prop up the banana dictators for a generation before we gave in. This is the same thing. No difference here.
85 posted on 01/16/2006 10:21:52 PM PST by poinq
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To: poinq

It's all the U.S.' fault!


86 posted on 01/16/2006 10:22:22 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Johnnyboy2000
Was that when they were occupied by the Romans? You have me there. But if you think the modern state of Israel would exist without US aid then you live in a fantasy world
What aid did Israel get from the US from 1948 until 1968?

If they were being honest they would not be spying on our Navy's technology and passing it on to the Chinese.
1. I'm not sure what you are referring to.
2. Israel should not be helping Red China. Of course the CIA shoulkd not be helping the PLO.

You are correct that they used French jets. I forgot that detail, but my overall point did not lose its validity. Israel was still rcieving large amounts of aid from the U.S. at the time of the attack on the Liberty. And I know enough about the incident to know that Israeli jets killed 34 U.S. servicemen. The DCI at that time was Richard Helms and he felt it was a deliberate attack.
Has Helms ever admitted why the Liberty was in the area after LBJ promised to withdraw all US ships from the area? Has he explained why we refused Israel's request for a Naval Liason, which would have prevented such an incident?
The CIA and NSA covered their @ss at the expense of American sailors just as we did with the Pueblo incident.

87 posted on 01/16/2006 10:23:37 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: poinq

You are living in a fantasy world. If Israel didn't exist the U.S. would be hated by these people.


88 posted on 01/16/2006 10:24:07 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: ozoneliar
Are you saying the country didn't have non Jews in it before it became Israel. Are you saying there are no camps. Are you saying all the non Jew in Israel and their camps can vote? Could they vote in Gaza?
89 posted on 01/16/2006 10:25:13 PM PST by poinq
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To: Alberta's Child

Did the U.K. spy on us during WWII?


90 posted on 01/16/2006 10:25:25 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

Did it?


91 posted on 01/16/2006 10:26:38 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: nickcarraway
People in England and France hate us to. But they don't Strap themselves to bombs and try to blow us up. Hatred we can handle.
92 posted on 01/16/2006 10:27:21 PM PST by poinq
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To: poinq
As long as they can export non Jews, or hold them in camps where they get no vote and can work for nothing. If this doesn't remind you of Mississippi or grape pickers I don't know what does.
Israel treated the ARabs of the disputed territories better than their brethren were treated by their fellow Arabs in LEbanon, Jordan, Egypt...
The standard of living of the "Palestinians" in 1987 was higher than that of Egyptians.
However, Israel should simply have expelled the Arabs rather than kept them.

only difference here is that Martin Luther King was not there to show them how to fight without violence. I am not for the other side they have lots of issues themselves.
Who started with the murders in 1921? I'll give you a hint, it was Jews who were killed.

And I am not at all ignorant of the situation. Rabin was killed by a hard lined Israeli that did not want peace if it meant giving in, just as Martin Luther King was killed.
MLK was shot by a white, not by a black. Also, MLK did not have black blood on his hands and a General Security Services running James Earl Ray's gang.

93 posted on 01/16/2006 10:28:19 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: poinq
I am as hard lined as they get now. But I watched the US prop up the banana dictators for a generation before we gave in. This is the same thing. No difference here.
We must all follow the wishes of the Transnational socialist elite?
94 posted on 01/16/2006 10:29:47 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: poinq
Are you saying the country didn't have non Jews in it before it became Israel. Are you saying there are no camps. Are you saying all the non Jew in Israel and their camps can vote? Could they vote in Gaza?

A)What camps?

B)Voting has nothing to do with being jewish, a HUGE amount of Israeli arabs vote. And there population is increasing. In fact by Israels own estimates within 30 years there will be more Arab citzens than Jews. There are several arab MK's(members of Kenesset). So we have a country that is tiny, yet allows people to vote who have no interest other than its own destruction. Try seeing how well a jewsih candidate could vote in an arab country.

C)Your statements are very unclear. If you have something to say, articulate it. As of now you seem to be spouting jumbled together arab propoganda.

95 posted on 01/16/2006 10:31:27 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: nickcarraway
England Spied on us for all the same reasons that Israel spies on us now. They don't trust that we really and always will have their best interest at heart. So they will spy on us. They will pay off our politicians. And they will try to fight hard in our everyday discourse about Israel and Judaism.
96 posted on 01/16/2006 10:31:52 PM PST by poinq
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To: poinq
They will pay off our politicians

So, who paid you off? CAIR? Sure sounds like it.

97 posted on 01/16/2006 10:40:04 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: rmlew

I see you put loyalty to Israel ahead of loyalty to the US. LBJ may have been a lousy President, but he doesn't have to withdraw from the area because the Israelis said so. The fact is the Liberty was flying a huge US flag yet low-flying Israeli aircraft attacked it.

Your question:
"What aid did Israel get from the US from 1948 until 1968?"

How about a country.


98 posted on 01/16/2006 10:45:10 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: ozoneliar
B) I have a huge problems with Arab countries too. The fact that a Jewish person can't live safely in their countries is a horrible thing.

Every country has the obligation to make sure that all its people are safe. And to do what it can to that end. We had a struggle here to try and make that happen. And in America there are still places where it is not safe for some groups. But the vast majority of the land is safe.

Many Arab countries are not safe for women, Jews and several other groups. And they should be taken to task for that in the hardest ways if necessary to protect all their citizens.
99 posted on 01/16/2006 10:45:37 PM PST by poinq
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To: poinq
B) I have a huge problems with Arab countries too. The fact that a Jewish person can't live safely in their countries is a horrible thing. Every country has the obligation to make sure that all its people are safe. And to do what it can to that end. We had a struggle here to try and make that happen. And in America there are still places where it is not safe for some groups. But the vast majority of the land is safe. Many Arab countries are not safe for women, Jews and several other groups. And they should be taken to task for that in the hardest ways if necessary to protect all their citizens.

ANYBODY can become an Israeli citzen. Israel is really more than fair with Pali's. If America were in a similiar situation. There would be no more Palis. It sickens me to see people take their(pali) side against Israel. Their culture, and actions( Terrorism, sucide bombings, indocrinating their children to hate Jews, and all non Muslims) repulsive.

100 posted on 01/16/2006 10:52:46 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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