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ACLU Sues to Stop Illegal Spying on Americans, Saying President is Not Above the Law
PRN News ^ | January 17, 12:01 am ET | Unknown

Posted on 01/16/2006 9:54:03 PM PST by Jay777

Prominent Journalists, Nonprofit Groups, Terrorism Experts and Community Advocates Join First Lawsuit to Challenge New NSA Spying Program

NEW YORK, Jan. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Saying that the Bush administration's illegal spying on Americans must end, the American Civil Liberties Union today filed a first-of-its-kind lawsuit against the National Security Agency seeking to stop a secret electronic surveillance program that has been in place since shortly after September 11, 2001. "President Bush may believe he can authorize spying on Americans without judicial or Congressional approval, but this program is illegal and we intend to put a stop to it," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "The current surveillance of Americans is a chilling assertion of presidential power that has not been seen since the days of Richard Nixon."

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of a group of prominent journalists, scholars, attorneys, and national nonprofit organizations (including the ACLU) who frequently communicate by phone and e-mail with people in the Middle East. Because of the nature of their calls and e-mails, they believe their communications are being intercepted by the NSA under the spying program. The program is disrupting their ability to talk with sources, locate witnesses, conduct scholarship, and engage in advocacy. The program, which was first disclosed by The New York Times on December 16, has sparked national and international furor and has been condemned by lawmakers across the political spectrum.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; aclulist; enemywithin; homelandsecurity; lawsuit; nsa; patriotleak; spying; traitors
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1 posted on 01/16/2006 9:54:06 PM PST by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
PING!
2 posted on 01/16/2006 9:55:57 PM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

Hopefully this will directly to the 'new' supreme court, complete with Alito and Roberts.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 9:56:08 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: Jay777


...is this the same outfit that wanted us to believe that Bill Clinton's purgery wasn't "an impeachable offense"?

Who's above the law now?


4 posted on 01/16/2006 9:56:09 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Jay777

These people are not only traitors, they are the enemy within.


5 posted on 01/16/2006 9:57:27 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: Jay777

Why isn't the ACLU suing state governments who are daily infringing on the rights of private businesses?


6 posted on 01/16/2006 9:58:37 PM PST by Gabz
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To: umgud
In addition to the ACLU, the plaintiffs in today's case are: Authors and journalists James Bamford, Christopher Hitchens and Tara McKelvey Afghanistan scholar Barnett Rubin of New York University's Center on International Cooperation and democracy scholar Larry Diamond, a fellow at the Hoover Institution Nonprofit advocacy groups NACDL, Greenpeace, and Council on American Islamic Relations, who joined the lawsuit on behalf of their staff and membership
7 posted on 01/16/2006 10:00:29 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Gabz

This post show have a L.U.U. (laugh until urinate) Alert. The ACLU is so laughable, they are a complete joke.


8 posted on 01/16/2006 10:00:42 PM PST by HonduGOP
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To: HonduGOP

I agree.


9 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:05 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
seeking to stop a secret electronic surveillance program that has been in place since shortly after September 11, 2001.

I posted this earlier today:

To: p23185
For someone who claims to have invented the Internet this guy is a moron.

I am rereading The Fifth Horseman by Larry Collins this week; it is about Libyia putting a hydrogen bomb in NYC.

On page 133 of a 470 page book:

"A few miles away at Fort Meade, Maryland, some of the twenty thousand employees of the National Security Agency skimmed through the most complex and sophisticated computer facilities in the world. Stored on them were the harvest of the NSA's world-wide eavesdropping systems, global electronic vacuum cleaners that scooped rations transmissions and telephone calls from the atmosphere, broek them down into key categories for rapid retrieval, then dumped them onto the NSA's computer. The information stored there had already allowed the NSA to foil a major terrorist operation on United States soil. Now the heirs to cryptologists who had broken Japan's naval code in World War II hunted for the word, the phrase, the message that would allow the FBI to foil this one."

Copyright on this book? 1980!

How could they NOT know what has been going on for years????

718 posted on 01/16/2006 2:27:50 PM EST by Howlin

10 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:07 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jay777

How terrible would it be to hound ACLU attorneys by pulling them over and making a citizen's arrest for driving under the influence?

If they don't test out for alcohol, just accuse them of being under the influence of Satan. Something.

Maybe spray their lawn put a dog in heat in their mailbox or something.

I'm joking, of course, but these guys drive me nuts!


11 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:15 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Jay777

I think that the majority of Americans have fogotten about 911 and they have buried their heads in the sand rather than remember the horror of SEPTEMBER 11.


12 posted on 01/16/2006 10:02:26 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

fogotton = forgotten


13 posted on 01/16/2006 10:05:18 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: CheyennePress

This is not a joke. This is real life. This group should be completley destroyed within the law & if not - without the law. Way too much talk'in on this internet w/o any action against these commies.


14 posted on 01/16/2006 10:06:55 PM PST by Digger (Outsource CONgress)
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To: Jay777
The program is disrupting their ability to talk with sources, locate witnesses, conduct scholarship, and engage in advocacy.

How are any of these things curtailed because they now "know" what they already surely should have known for years -- that unencrypted phone calls can always be intercepted.

We aren't allowed to say anything of importance on unsecured phone lines. If the U.S. wasn't listening, you can be sure that the countries in the middle east are monitoring every phone call that comes into their countries.

Are these people so naive as to believe that the agreements the phone companies must sign with Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, et. al don't include as a matter of course the ability of those countries to listen in to all the conversations?

Or don't they really care if the evil dictators of those countries know what they are saying, because they assume those dictators will be happy with what they hear?

15 posted on 01/16/2006 10:09:03 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Howlin
In addition to the ACLU, the plaintiffs in today's case are: Authors and journalists James Bamford, Christopher Hitchens ...........

Sorry to hear about Hitchens, kinda liked him. Nonetheless, it's sad that Bush has to fight these people in addition to the terrorists.

16 posted on 01/16/2006 10:10:23 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: Jay777

i want to see what Dems jump on board this suit. My guess. Zero. They sure talk a good game though.


17 posted on 01/16/2006 10:12:14 PM PST by jsk10
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To: Jay777

As if it wasn't expected...what took them so long?


18 posted on 01/16/2006 10:13:13 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Jay777
"The current surveillance of Americans is a chilling assertion of presidential power that has not been seen since the days of Richard Nixon."

Must have been asleep during the Clinton regime which not only illegally released personal information on whistle-blowers they also used the IRS to harass them. (IF not outright mafia like threats and intimidation!)Clinton was Nixon with charisma and without the integrity.

19 posted on 01/16/2006 10:14:36 PM PST by Nateman (In the spirit of friendship reach out your hand to a RAT. Then slap its drooling face.)
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To: umgud

I felt the same way when I saw his name.

When we will EVER learn?


20 posted on 01/16/2006 10:15:10 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jay777
"Because of the nature of their calls and e-mails, they believe their communications are being intercepted by the NSA under the spying program."

Now what in the world is the ACLU doing communicating with the enemy? And if they are, I certainly hope the NSA is recording their calls. It's part of their job to catch spies.

21 posted on 01/16/2006 10:15:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: umgud
"These people are not only traitors, they are the enemy within."

I believe that the following would apply to the ACLU:

Cicero said: "A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."

22 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:05 PM PST by Rabble (Just When is John F sKerry going to release his USNR military records ?)
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To: Jay777
Asked and answered; this issue has already been handled by the courts. When acting in the capacity of the commander in chief, the president has broad wartime powers. Congress authorized the president, after 9/11, to conduct wartime actions against any current or future terrorists...

While there might be a judge or two in the system who is willing to play politics (oh, stop laughing at me..) the reality is that to allow this lawsuit to succeed would effectively make any wartime action by a sitting president be reviewable by a court of law.

My guess? The second judge to look at this will toss it out of court for lack of evidence. The parties have no proof that they've been spied upon, and the possibility that they might be isn't enough to justify trampling the constitution. The third judge might decide to warn the executive that any evidence collected can not be admitted into a court of law, and that will be the end of the story.

I don't think it'll reach the SCOTUS; too much established law in this arena. Oddly enough, the ACLU is doing us a favor. Not only will it reconfirm an already established precedent, but it also might get some of these wackos to get back to providing evidence. After all, it is safe to talk now - the ACLU is suing the US government.

Oh, and just in case the ACLU finds a miracle path with an incredible argument, the worst case scenario is that the NSA has to turn over that intelligence to the Brits or someone else to analyze. I don't think it'll reach that point, but you never know these days.

Oh, and those who were sitting on the fence with the ACLU won't find this to be tasteful. Protecting a reporter might interest them, but wholesale going after the administration on a matter of national defense will make them radioactive to all but the most hardcore liberal, and those hardcore liberals have enough things to spend their money on.

Someone at the ACLU didn't think this one through.

The only real downside is that congress neglected to identify the type of terrorist that the president is supposed to fight; these same powers could be turned around to be used on any number of people. We have a horribly honest president right now, we won't always. We have to do everything in our power to ensure that no one sits in that chair that is not able to first distinguish who is a threat, and who is a political opponent.
23 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:11 PM PST by kingu
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To: Nateman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559291/posts


24 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jay777

Have people ever tried suing the ACLU in an offensive way. I'm talking about suing the organization itself, funding, operation, tax status, etc...Anything?


25 posted on 01/16/2006 10:16:57 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Howlin

Total idiocy, isn't it?


26 posted on 01/16/2006 10:17:35 PM PST by Gabz
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To: kingu

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11/18/spy.court.ruling/


27 posted on 01/16/2006 10:17:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: umgud
Look for Hitchens to disassociate himself from this before the week is over.
28 posted on 01/16/2006 10:17:53 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Jay777

Please tell me that the NSA has been watching these traitors at the ACLU closely.


29 posted on 01/16/2006 10:19:06 PM PST by Bullitt
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To: Gabz
According to news reports, President Bush signed an order in 2002 allowing the NSA to monitor the telephone and e-mail communications of "hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States" with persons abroad, without a court order as the law requires. Under the program, the NSA is also engaging in wholesale datamining by sifting through millions of calls and e- mails of ordinary Americans.

Not ONE WORD of that is proven; it's just made up crap.

30 posted on 01/16/2006 10:20:47 PM PST by Howlin
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To: kingu

Gore Planned to Bug America

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/15/173810.shtml


31 posted on 01/16/2006 10:22:04 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Not ONE WORD of that is proven; it's just made up crap.

Tell a lie enough..........

32 posted on 01/16/2006 10:22:08 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz

turn on Fox


33 posted on 01/16/2006 10:24:31 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
turn on Fox

Nope, won't do it - I've gone all day without the TV on and have not intentions of changing that right now.

And it was a pretty impressive feat, considering the 7yo was home all day today and no TV ever got turned on :)

34 posted on 01/16/2006 10:28:03 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the link. Knowing the Clinton's they wanted all that power so that they could abuse it on a daily basis.


35 posted on 01/16/2006 10:30:16 PM PST by Nateman (In the spirit of friendship reach out your hand to a RAT. Then slap its drooling face.)
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To: Jay777
So, this program keeps being reported as a "vast wiretapping program", right?

Ok...everything that I have read, even from THE SOURCE (James Riesen, the author of the new book and the now-identified source for the original NY Times article that broke the story), says that there were 500 Americans that had their phones tapped. And for all 500, their phone number was found on the computer or cell phone of captured Al Qeada operative.

Five hundred. Approximate population of the United States is 300 Million.

So, precisely 0.0000017 of the American population MIGHT have had their terrorist-connected phone calls monitored.

Forgive me if I'm not shocked, stunned, and dismayed that 0.0000017 of the American population, all of whom have known ties to a terrorist organization, had their phones tapped.

36 posted on 01/16/2006 10:34:32 PM PST by mattdono (The New 'Rat math: 0.0000017% = Vast Wiretapping of "Americans" Riiiggghhhhtttt...)
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To: Jay777

I'm so sick of this crap that the Libs continue to try and push.

These are incoming calls from terrorists to people inside of the United States whom are NOT EVEN NECESSARILY AMERICANS. It's amazing to watch the Libs and their MSM buddies keep spinning this into "spying on all Americans".

Here's a tip for all the ACLU backers: Don't want to worry about your calls being monitored? Don't accept that call from that overseas terrorist and you have nothing to worry about. Geez.


37 posted on 01/16/2006 10:52:14 PM PST by Nasher
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To: Nateman
Guess you never heard of ECHELON then...?
38 posted on 01/16/2006 10:56:35 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Nateman
Sorry, correction...

"The current surveillance of Americans is a chilling assertion of presidential power that has not been seen since the days of Richard Nixon."

Guess they never heard of ECHELON then...?

39 posted on 01/16/2006 10:58:04 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Jay777

40 posted on 01/16/2006 11:08:44 PM PST by mfulstone
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To: Wil H
Anything they accuse Bush or Nixon of even attempting Clinton did and abused often, and most of the MSM , the so called protectors of freedom, covered up for him or actively joined him in attacking the whistelblowers. For all the claims of a dark night of fascism under McCarthy , America actually lived it under Clinton. Truly one of America's darkest times.
41 posted on 01/16/2006 11:17:49 PM PST by Nateman (Stop the spin! Flush Clinton again!)
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To: kingu

Yep, done deal pretty much - the worst could happen is NSA gets reminded the evidence won't be admissible. But who needs it admissible ? Pick up the bastards for an immigration violation. Send his ass out to where they came from so that Jordanian/Egyptian/Russian/Polish secret services can have a little chit chat, and we're done.

There's a reason there hasn't been any attacks here since 9/11. Now I'm getting worried again, since the bastards started buying disposable phones. Thanks to liberals.


42 posted on 01/16/2006 11:44:55 PM PST by farlander
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To: right-wingin_It

Randy "Duke" Cunningham called into a talk show last year, probably some fill-in for Rush, and said he would go after awarding attorney fees in certain civil rights violation cases (Section 1983 cases). That seems to be the life blood of ACLU and the club they threaten little towns with when they want Crosses on public property dismantled. The Duke left some unfinished business when he departed Congress recently. Maybe that's why he was exposed.


43 posted on 01/17/2006 2:44:20 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Jay777

ACLU, go back to Moscow where you came from. You'll need warmer clothes.


44 posted on 01/17/2006 4:13:53 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: Jay777

And the sorry no good SOBs are using mine and your tax money to do support the terrorist.


45 posted on 01/17/2006 4:18:46 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Jay777

How many times does that happen... I was about to keyword this "ENEMYWITHIN" and when I went to click on "add keyword" it was already there...


46 posted on 01/17/2006 5:01:39 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: Jay777
Yea OK, whatever! Wouldn't they need to know the details of the program before calling it illegal? This kind of flies in the face of presumption of innocence till proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of pears.
47 posted on 01/17/2006 6:00:33 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Howlin

The ACLU LOST in 2002 and they want to sue AGAIN? ACLU... insanity is thy name. (see post 27)


48 posted on 01/17/2006 6:04:36 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: kingu
Asked and answered; this issue has already been handled by the courts. When acting in the capacity of the commander in chief, the president has broad wartime powers. Congress authorized the president, after 9/11, to conduct wartime actions against any current or future terrorists...

Does this mean, in theory, a President has the power to ban private ownership of guns?

49 posted on 01/17/2006 6:12:30 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Edgerunner

If the ACLU sues and it either gets tossed or they lose then it's another case law in the Presidents Belt as long as the administration says nothing about the details of the program.


50 posted on 01/17/2006 6:19:29 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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