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Mexican military incursions reported
The Washington Times ^ | January 17, 2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 01/17/2006 12:23:17 AM PST by neverdem

    The U.S. Border Patrol has warned agents in Arizona of incursions into the United States by Mexican soldiers "trained to escape, evade and counterambush" if detected -- a scenario Mexico denied yesterday.


    The warning to Border Patrol agents in Tucson, Ariz., comes after increased sightings of what authorities described as heavily armed Mexican military units on the U.S. side of the border. The warning asks the agents to report the size, activity, location, time and equipment of any units observed.


    It also cautions agents to keep "a low profile," to use "cover and concealment" in approaching the Mexican units, to employ "shadows and camouflage" to conceal themselves and to "stay as quiet as possible."


    Border Patrol spokesman Salvador Zamora confirmed that a "military incursion" warning was given to Tucson agents, but said it was designed to inform them how to react to any sightings of military and foreign police in this country and how to properly document any incursion.


    Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs." He said U.S. military units also have crossed mistakenly into Mexico.


    But Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, denied that Mexican military personnel are crossing into the United States.


    "I strongly deny any incursions by the Mexican military as inaccurate allegations," Mr. Laveaga said. "The Mexican military is a well-respected institution with strict rules on how to control Northern Mexico. It maintains a protocol of not going within a mile of the border, and those who would trespass would be severely punished."


    Mr. Laveaga said some drug smugglers headed "both north and south" wear uniforms and drive military-type vehicles, and might have "confused"...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; mexicantroops; politicallycorrect; warondrugs; wod
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Thank God for the politically correct war on drugs.
1 posted on 01/17/2006 12:23:20 AM PST by neverdem
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To: Travis McGee

YO!


2 posted on 01/17/2006 12:28:08 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

This is occuring in "my backyard" It is a bit unnerving to say the least.


3 posted on 01/17/2006 12:29:52 AM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: neverdem

If they show up north of the border, shoot. What's hard about that.


4 posted on 01/17/2006 12:31:46 AM PST by drlevy88
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To: neverdem

"The Mexican military is a well-respected institution"

LOL


5 posted on 01/17/2006 12:32:38 AM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: Americanwolf

be armed, be organized, be disciplined, be numerous, be vigilant, be decisive when needs must, but for the sake of little green apples be incredibly careful.


6 posted on 01/17/2006 12:33:10 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

No sir, I don't like it!


7 posted on 01/17/2006 12:39:19 AM PST by blaze (Welcome to the Hotel Mexifornia (WWW.AMERICANPATROL.COM) Go to links and have a cry!)
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To: blaze
Are you familiar with Pancho Villa's raid on Columbus, New Mexico?


8 posted on 01/17/2006 12:48:26 AM PST by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford

I certainly do like this old photograph


9 posted on 01/17/2006 12:58:56 AM PST by injin
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To: blaze

Does your BS trigger ever wonder about why there is little or nothing about these Mexican Army incursions in the media that hates GWB?

Given Bushes track record, is it logical that he would let this happen?
Finally, if this was true, why would the Rats stay quiet?

You are being played , folks. Maybe there is an idiot shooting at the border guys, but, come on, its not the Mexican Army!


10 posted on 01/17/2006 12:59:02 AM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: bybybill
Given Bushes track record, is it logical that he would let this happen?

I think that Bush's track record of appeasing the open borders crowd speaks for itself.

Finally, if this was true, why would the Rats stay quiet?

Because the Rats and the Party of Stupid have the same playbook on this one.

11 posted on 01/17/2006 1:05:18 AM PST by thecabal ("Now die monkeys and stop saying Muslims are terrorists,we are peaceful people!")
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To: neverdem
"I strongly deny any incursions by the Mexican military as inaccurate allegations," Mr. Laveaga said. "The Mexican military is a well-respected institution with strict rules on how to control Northern Mexico. It maintains a protocol of not going within a mile of the border, and those who would trespass would be severely punished."

Well then Mr. Laveaga, you won't mind if we shoot anyone in a Mexican Army Uniform we find on our side of the border then will you.

L

12 posted on 01/17/2006 1:07:51 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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To: bybybill
Does your BS trigger ever wonder about why there is little or nothing about these Mexican Army incursions in the media that hates GWB?

Maybe these reports are BS, but in either case I would not expect the MSM to report incursions into the US by Mexican military because they would be immediately providing credibility to groups like the Minutemen, who the MSM are busily trying to demonize. Furthermore, the lefties in the MSM are slaves to PC, so to call out the Mexicans as criminals would violate their "religion", not to mention alienate the illegal immigrant advocacy groups who constitute a sizeable portion of the Dems constituency.
13 posted on 01/17/2006 1:16:26 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: bybybill
You are being played , folks. Maybe there is an idiot shooting at the border guys, but, come on, its not the Mexican Army!

And your 100% wrong. I was personally involved in 1 of these incidents.

As a former Marine and current CBP Officer, I know the difference between the Military and smugglers/cartel.

The Mexican military is actively involved in running drugs and people.

14 posted on 01/17/2006 1:21:10 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: neverdem

Kill em all!


15 posted on 01/17/2006 1:22:51 AM PST by Pro-Bush (We protect Korea's border better than our own!)
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To: Marine Inspector; fr_freak

When the Mexican Army invaded the US, what did you do? Did you report it? Could you prove it? Did reporters, who would turn their Mom`s in for passing gas, ignore the biggest story since 9/11?
Did somebody shoot at you? Don`t know, wasn`t there. But, if it was the Mexican Army, you must sound the alarm and alert America to the invasion.


16 posted on 01/17/2006 1:39:14 AM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: neverdem

Darn!! Plagiarism!! Plagiarism!!

Just read the book "Trial by Fire", by Harold Coyle. Plot: Mexican drug lords/politicians middleman/fixer hires mercenaries to wear Mexican uniforms, raid and kill Americans north of the Rio Grande, especially border patrolmen. American Army buildup, wild Mexican bank robber chase across border, shooting incident, Mexicans killed, nasty little war breaks out.

Read the book, await developments. Better yet ask our president to read the book.


17 posted on 01/17/2006 1:51:42 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: neverdem

18 posted on 01/17/2006 3:15:17 AM PST by Solamente
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To: neverdem

Time to hit hard on Mrxico to shape up their failed country.


19 posted on 01/17/2006 3:16:39 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: neverdem

There needs to be The American Army and/or Marines on that border, armed to the teeth with instructions to engage the enemy and subdue him. If Mexico wants a war, they can have it, only this time we get Mexico, too.


20 posted on 01/17/2006 3:58:01 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: neverdem
we need a punative expedition. Where is Black Jack Pershing now that we need him?
21 posted on 01/17/2006 4:04:43 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: Solamente
We dont need no stinking badges.......
22 posted on 01/17/2006 4:06:10 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: neverdem

Hmmm. Spose the Mexigovernment is meaning to establish soveriegnty over some land north of the border. If they increase the number, extent, and personnel and go unchallenged, Mexico may just put itself in position of owning some currently US real estate after awhile.


23 posted on 01/17/2006 5:15:22 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: bybybill

Given the recent addition to Homeland Security of one Jackboot John Magaw, you should ask yourself, who does the administration plan to burn alive in their homes?

Hint: It won't be Mexican invaders.


24 posted on 01/17/2006 6:41:22 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Vaquero

"Borders! We don' need no Steenkin' borders!"

25 posted on 01/17/2006 6:44:15 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Those who seek to punish the truth, are the ones most convicted by it.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

Kick them out and the Toyoda they rode in on.


26 posted on 01/17/2006 7:30:27 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: King Prout; HiJinx; gubamyster


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


27 posted on 01/17/2006 7:37:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs."

It's stunning that this is the state of our border in time of war, 4 years after 9-11.

28 posted on 01/17/2006 7:39:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 7:40:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: neverdem
and those who would trespass would be severely punished."

Should work both ways, now shouldn't it?

30 posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Marine Inspector
The Mexican military is actively involved in running drugs and people.

I can see units being bought off. But it's rather difficult to see this being done as a policy of the Mexican government.

31 posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:24 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Just to see if they can.

I had good info that there *used to be* evidence of Russian military excursions on Alaskan shores.

And I personally know of an incident on the East German border where a patrol got a bit misoriented in some heavy brush and emerged on the wrong side of the markers. But that was an accident.


32 posted on 01/17/2006 7:47:14 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Just to see if they can.

Perhaps, but I rather doubt it. There are better explanations than it being an official policy of the Mexican government. For example, it's easy to imagine poorly-paid Mexican soldiers being bought off by a very wealthy drug or people smuggler.

I had good info that there *used to be* evidence of Russian military excursions on Alaskan shores.

Sure ... in the context of the Cold War. We're not in a cold war with Mexico, though. The illegal immigration problem is a result of other factors, primarily domestic, on both sides of the border.

33 posted on 01/17/2006 7:51:19 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Marine Inspector; bybybill; HiJinx; SandRat; gubamyster
The Mexican military is actively involved in running drugs and people.

This is consistent with what I was told by a border patrolman, whom I saw as a patient a couple of weeks ago.

I also understand we have a huge "hole" in the fence, along the "sovereign" Tohono O'odom Reservation, where a nice chunk of the drug/human running occurs, courtesy of the tribal government.

34 posted on 01/17/2006 8:03:12 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: r9etb

Is there any reason to believe that the Mexican government isn't bought and paid for by drug cartels?

Allowing for that possibility, then having the Mexican military running operations across the border doesn't sound outrageous.


35 posted on 01/17/2006 8:05:22 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: r9etb
But it's rather difficult to see this being done as a policy of the Mexican government.

Then check your reading glasses...

The tunnel is across the border from an area that is either owned or leased by Mexican Customs.

36 posted on 01/17/2006 8:11:53 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: r9etb
Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them.

Have you been on another planet? Mexican police and military units actively support drug and alien smuggling operations. They provide security, do diversions, and in many cases just plain haul the dope themselves, in uniform, in military vehicles, knowing full well that the USBP has been ordered to run from them and never ever ever challenge them.

37 posted on 01/17/2006 8:14:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Americanwolf

"This is occuring in "my backyard" It is a bit unnerving to say the least. "

I know where you can pick up a used German 37mm antitank gun. It's WWII vintage but works great! You have to machine your own shells though.


38 posted on 01/17/2006 8:29:28 AM PST by dljordan
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To: nathanbedford

My great-great and his son were in the 10th Tennessee under Gen. Forrest.


39 posted on 01/17/2006 8:30:30 AM PST by dljordan
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To: r9etb

"Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them"

They're escorting drug and human smugglers.


40 posted on 01/17/2006 8:31:30 AM PST by dljordan
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To: neverdem
The U.S. Border Patrol has warned agents in Arizona of incursions into the United States by Mexican soldiers "trained to escape, evade and counterambush" if detected -- a scenario Mexico denied yesterday.

Good grief, when are they going to build that wall?

41 posted on 01/17/2006 8:33:08 AM PST by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: neverdem

" Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs." He said U.S. military units also have crossed mistakenly into Mexico. "

All the more reason for a defining wall so our Mexican amigos don't get "confused".



42 posted on 01/17/2006 8:38:10 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Travis McGee
Have you been on another planet? Mexican police and military units actively support drug and alien smuggling operations.

I don't deny it. But that is not the same as saying that it's the policy of the Mexican government. It's a not-so-subtle distinction.

43 posted on 01/17/2006 8:45:59 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Eagle Eye
Is there any reason to believe that the Mexican government isn't bought and paid for by drug cartels?

I think it highly likely that there are numerous Mexican government officials who have been bought and paid for by the drug cartels.

The question is, though, on whom do we declare war in that case? If you're suggesting that this is the official policy of Mexico, then these incursions would be an act of war.

However, if the corrupt folks are implementing the "policy" of the drug lords, then the situation is quite a bit different.

44 posted on 01/17/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
*PING*!

Apologies to those on the list who are already here, like Marine Inspector and Travis McGee.

Border Patrol spokesman Salvador Zamora confirmed that a "military incursion" warning was given to Tucson agents, but said it was designed to inform them how to react to any sightings of military and foreign police in this country and how to properly document any incursion.

BTW....the needle is still moving...it's on it's way to 10!

45 posted on 01/17/2006 9:08:45 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


46 posted on 01/17/2006 9:13:28 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


47 posted on 01/17/2006 9:22:52 AM PST by blackie
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To: r9etb

You win the Green as Grass Award for January. Have you ever been to Mexico? Have you ever read the history of Mexico? You can't believe anything they say, and you always cover your back. Corruption is their way of life, and they feel they have a moral right to get what they want, period. Come down to the border and live there a year and then get back to us who do live there.


48 posted on 01/17/2006 9:30:53 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: r9etb
I don't deny it. But that is not the same as saying that it's the policy of the Mexican government. It's a not-so-subtle distinction.

If the federal Mexican govt has no control over its corrupt police and military forces to the extent that they feel free to cross the border to engage in drug smuggling, what difference does in make if it is "policy" or not? The effect is the same.

49 posted on 01/17/2006 9:45:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
They provide security, do diversions, and in many cases just plain haul the dope themselves, in uniform, in military vehicles, knowing full well that the USBP has been ordered to run from them and never ever ever challenge them.

I urge EVERYONE to read the above statement and understand what it means.

This order to stand back has to come directly from Washington/The White House.

To simply say that this is alarming is a grave understatement.

50 posted on 01/17/2006 9:46:02 AM PST by janetgreen (Washington fiddles while America is invaded!)
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