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READERS WRITE: "Brokeback's" message worth considering [libertarian talking point]
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 1/17/06 | NORMAN RAVITCH

Posted on 01/17/2006 5:33:20 AM PST by madprof98

Theater officials in some communities are not showing the path-breaking "Brokeback Mountain," a movie rivaling in importance the post-World War II "Gentleman's Agreement," which took on polite but deadly anti-Semitism in the American elite.

It is not just about two gay cowboys. It is about how homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them. The results are tragic, not just for them but for those around them.

The target here is hypocrisy and self-appointed moralists who think they can tell us how to think, how to live, how to say happy holidays and how to interpret world events.

NORMAN RAVITCH, Savannah


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: faggotsuberalles; homosexualagenda; pudding
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This was in Letters to the Editor in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution this morning. The author is a retired professor and self-described libertarian.
1 posted on 01/17/2006 5:33:20 AM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
It is about how homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

Sounds like a bitter, old fag.

2 posted on 01/17/2006 5:34:56 AM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: madprof98

Liberal, more like it.


3 posted on 01/17/2006 5:35:48 AM PST by pissant
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To: madprof98
Get a grip. This movie is completely insignificant. What an embarrassment that this was written by a Professor! Sorry Prof but YOU do NOT have the right to dictate what morality SHOULD be to everyone else. Amazing how basically totalitarian these people are demanding that they be allowed to impose their lassie faire morality on everyone else.
4 posted on 01/17/2006 5:36:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: madprof98
instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

Yep, old God up there wants everyone to live their life in an abomination to him!

5 posted on 01/17/2006 5:37:55 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: madprof98

Ms. Ravitch

6 posted on 01/17/2006 5:38:23 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: madprof98
The target here is hypocrisy and self-appointed moralists who think they can tell us how to think, how to live, how to say happy holidays and how to interpret world events.

The Prof sounds like a bit of a self-appointed moralist himself. But I'm sure the irony is lost on him...

7 posted on 01/17/2006 5:38:44 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: madprof98

"The target here is hypocrisy and self-appointed moralists who think they can tell us how to think, how to live, how to say happy holidays and how to interpret world events."

This from the PC police. I don't think I care if someone is homosexual. What I dispise is the constant push to tell ME what I have to think, live and interpret.


8 posted on 01/17/2006 5:39:15 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: martin_fierro

I think he was the maid of honor at Elton John's wedding.


9 posted on 01/17/2006 5:41:17 AM PST by pissant
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To: madprof98
The target here is hypocrisy and self-appointed moralists who think they can tell us how to think, how to live, that sheepherders shouldn't be called cowboys.
10 posted on 01/17/2006 5:41:31 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: madprof98

No, LiberTINE is more like it.


11 posted on 01/17/2006 5:42:20 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: madprof98
homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

There is no Biblical foundation to argue that God makes anyone a homosexual, nor is there any evidence that nature does so. What there is, is a radical leftist homosexual agenda and this movie is part of that.

12 posted on 01/17/2006 5:43:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: MNJohnnie
This movie is completely insignificant.

That also goes for 'Transamerica,' another winner last night (loser actually). One can mutilate their genitals all they want and dump themselves with hormones but that does not change a single chromosome. 

13 posted on 01/17/2006 5:44:10 AM PST by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: madprof98
I guess he's complaining that some theater owners have chosen not to show a particular movie in their theaters. If he were a libertarian, he would have defended their right to decide what movies they do or don't want to show.
14 posted on 01/17/2006 5:45:13 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K

Homosexual agenda ping.

The libertarians are now trying to say God makes people homosexual. The oddest part is that the left doesn't even believe in God.


15 posted on 01/17/2006 5:45:15 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: madprof98

here is my take on it....and we all know what opinions are like.

I dont care who buggers whom (of course following the dictates of legal age). But for God sake if it unnatural, keep it out of the main stream and the media. Nobody needs to see it....it is disgusting. Don't make it a cause celeb....keep it your dirty little secret.

What the proponents of this call a phobia, is not....its is revulsion, like what most people feel seeing the remains of a suicide bomber or someone who was in a nasty motorcycle accident. Not for the front page, so to speak.


16 posted on 01/17/2006 5:45:48 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
No, LiberTINE is more like it.

You sure nailed it there.

17 posted on 01/17/2006 5:46:38 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: madprof98

More tripe from the Atlanta Urinal Constipation.


18 posted on 01/17/2006 5:46:58 AM PST by Fudd Fan (God bless President Bush! (Water Bucket Brigade member - MOOSEMUSS!)
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To: beef

Great point. BINGO!


19 posted on 01/17/2006 5:47:28 AM PST by Fudd Fan (God bless President Bush! (Water Bucket Brigade member - MOOSEMUSS!)
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To: martin_fierro

Geahh. Ravitch was a history professor at my alma mater. I'd like to apologize to everybody.


20 posted on 01/17/2006 5:49:08 AM PST by RichInOC (Why would shepherd boys have sex with each other when the job comes with a harem?)
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To: madprof98
It is about how homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children

No libertarian would use the word 'force' this way.

21 posted on 01/17/2006 5:49:21 AM PST by Sloth (Macromelancholia -- The wistful desire to play those Flash games in advertising banners.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Yeah...what you said. Seems as though the fags just can't tolerate those of us who do not condemn them as humans, but seriously and overwhelmingly disapprove of their behavior. Basically, their sexual preferences and behavior seem to be seriously demented and the gay/lesbo/tranny group just aren't going to be satisfied with anything else than a constant effort to shove their preferred lifestyle in our face, down our throats, and behind our backs. We might as well too accept crack heads and pedophiles behavior as OK and the morally conscious should be more tolerant and understanding....yeah right! And there's a whole lot of other types of behaviors we could add to that list. It's simply a matter of choice as not to do something that is wrong and hurts (or puts a person at a high risk) the individual and society as a whole.

Hope the liberals really enjoy 'Humpback Hill' as another example of psychological decay with emphasis on them wanting people to accept perversion as OK.

22 posted on 01/17/2006 5:49:31 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: madprof98
It is not just about two gay cowboys. It is about how homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

In other words, the movie is homosexual propaganda.

23 posted on 01/17/2006 5:50:00 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: madprof98
The movie is nothing more than an attack on a cultural icon, the manly cowboy. It is the cinimatic equivalent of the Left going, "Oh yeah? Nayyya, nayyya, nayyya! You think you are so macho, Mr. Conservative! Well, here!". It is like whizzing on the flag: protected speech, but no real American would do it.
24 posted on 01/17/2006 5:52:23 AM PST by 50sDad (It's not "diversity" for you to steal my Christmas.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
In other words, the movie is homosexual propaganda.

It is a movie made by hetrophobes, those with irrational fears of normal people.

25 posted on 01/17/2006 5:52:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: madprof98

A libertarian complaining that people are exercising their free will to (a) not show the movie in their private theatres, and (b) not spend their personal money to see the movie. Yeah, sure Norm, you're a libertarian.


26 posted on 01/17/2006 5:53:54 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: wagglebee
The Libertarian party is no good. All they do is take votes from Republicans.

Also, what about their sympathy for pedophilia (practically a reproduction strategy for the homosexuals)? It's certainly a party that I wouldn't support.

27 posted on 01/17/2006 5:54:32 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: 50sDad
The movie is nothing more than an attack on a cultural icon, the manly cowboy.

Precisely. The occupation was picked for a reason.

I think another assault it makes is on the concept of non-sexual manly friendship-- it seems that male friends must equal homosexual relationship to the gay agenda.

28 posted on 01/17/2006 5:55:19 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: siunevada

"that sheepherders shouldn't be called cowboys."

I noticed that, too. I wonder if true cowboys are more upset that these sheep herders are called cowboys.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 5:56:19 AM PST by rwa265 (The Promises of the Lord, I Will Proclaim Forever)
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To: 50sDad

You nailed it! Exactly what I thought when the movie first came out. An attack on another "American" Cultural Icon!


30 posted on 01/17/2006 5:56:22 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: madprof98

"instead of living the lives God and nature gave them"

WTF? God doesn't make homos. Perverted lust makes homos.


31 posted on 01/17/2006 5:59:01 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: quantim

They just wanted to do something shocking and weird that hasn't been done before, so they thought, "What are the two most opposite things in the world?" "Oh yea! A queer and a cowboy!" "Let's make a movie about queer cowboys and see how many people we can make angry."


32 posted on 01/17/2006 6:00:15 AM PST by One Proud Son
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To: martin_fierro
Ms. Ravitch:


33 posted on 01/17/2006 6:00:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: madprof98

The BBM film script is a typical scenario lifted from the ambiguous but elite liaisons seen at any Hollywood cocktail/cocaine party or production office, and re-written as a trailer trash gay-vindication romance. Of course Hollywood, et al, loves the film: it's their story.


34 posted on 01/17/2006 6:01:05 AM PST by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: atomicpossum

"I think another assault it makes is on the concept of non-sexual manly friendship-- it seems that male friends must equal homosexual relationship to the gay agenda."

The disgusting hideousness of all this is that people are starting to equate "couples" with sex rather than friendship or even family relationships. My sister and her adult daughter were in at the Harborfront in Baltimore last year when some idiotic, had to be flaming liberal woman told them they made a "cute" couple.

Offensive? Absolutely!!


35 posted on 01/17/2006 6:01:54 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Stepan12
Also, what about their sympathy for pedophilia

I'm not a LP member, but I seem to be having trouble finding this in their platform. Please point it out.

36 posted on 01/17/2006 6:02:00 AM PST by Sloth (Macromelancholia -- The wistful desire to play those Flash games in advertising banners.)
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To: wagglebee

They believe in God when it is convenient.


37 posted on 01/17/2006 6:02:08 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: madprof98

Sodomy, pornography, open borders, drugs. That's Libertarianism in a nutshell.


38 posted on 01/17/2006 6:02:55 AM PST by Mojave
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To: madprof98

As this is but a letter to the editor, it is inappropriate to be overly critical. Nevertheless, there are several things to bear in mind:

1. Some people who refer to themselves as libertarian do so only in the sense of sexual behavior, and not in the sense of the full range of behavior to include working, saving and investment, gun ownership, the free exercise of religion, etc. A true libertarian wants the government out of our pocketbook as well as out of our bedroom.

2. Some people who refer to themselves as libertarian want individuals to be free not only of coercive force but also to be free of social approbation. They refer to people who choose, in their free association with others, to enter into relationships only with people whose fundamental values they approve, as religious moralists, and describe their choices in denigrating ways. True libertarians who respect all peaceful choices made by people.

3. Some people who refer to themselves as libertarians believe that nobody should bear the consequences of their choices, so that individuals can behave in whatever reckless manner they might choose, such as promiscious homosexual sex, and expect somebody else to pick up the tab. True libertarians believe that we will only discover what is good in a dynamic, ever-changing world, by a process of trial and error. Virtuous behavior does not need to be subsidized. And, decent, hard-working people, who join into wholesome relationships with others, and especially such people who bring children into the world and raise them with such values, these people will prosper in a free society.

4. Some people who refer to themselves as libertarians believe that individuals are not constrained by their past commitments because - after all - we live in an imperfect world and we can always find a reason why our past commitments were not fully-informed. You cannot trust such people. True libertarians believe that we should always respect the person, the privacy and the property of others, and we should always, always keep our word.

5. Finally, if I might distinguish a Christian from a true libertarian, Christians must go beyond the basically negative constraints of libertarianism, and show loving-kindness toward others. As Jesus loved us while we were still sinners, a Christian must initiate generousity toward others, especially the poor, without expectation of reward.


39 posted on 01/17/2006 6:04:20 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Sloth

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/851109/posts?page=5#5


40 posted on 01/17/2006 6:04:47 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Stepan12

If you look at the main libertarian talking points, they are for pushing the homosexual agenda and all of the other sexual perversions the left wants, keeping abortion legal, making sure that God is never mentioned anywhere in public, making dangerous drugs more available and making our military as small as possible so that we cannot defend against terrorism. This is all very much in line with the left.

They also want to lower taxes and preserve private property rights, and for this, many conservative jump on their bandwagon.


41 posted on 01/17/2006 6:05:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: madprof98
It is about how homophobia and hypocrisy force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

Last I checked men have penises and women have vaginas. The primary 'natural' function of those organs is for reproduction of the species. That does not work with two penises.

42 posted on 01/17/2006 6:07:32 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: madprof98
force them to marry and have children instead of living the lives God and nature gave them.

Well, at least the author is open, honest, and straighforward.

Movies like this are made to reject Jewish, Islamic and Christian scripture and teaching about man, God, and God's creative wisdom and power.

The idea that male homosexuality is given by God is, for all followers of the monotheistic faiths, anathema - which is the point.

43 posted on 01/17/2006 6:17:17 AM PST by Jim Noble (Fiat justitia, ruat coelum)
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To: madprof98

**This was in Letters to the Editor in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution this morning. The author is a retired professor and self-described libertarian.**

...and homosexual...


44 posted on 01/17/2006 6:17:44 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Galveston Grl

And Christian-hating atheist.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ravitch1.html


45 posted on 01/17/2006 6:22:21 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Blood of Tyrants
... instead of living the lives God and nature gave them

Just a nice way to say that some people are not suitable to reproduce.

46 posted on 01/17/2006 6:24:28 AM PST by myprecious
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To: Mojave

And Lew Rockwell contributor. That pretty much proves he's a moonbat.


47 posted on 01/17/2006 6:24:49 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: madprof98
This is nonsense. Making movies and screening them are business propositions. If a theater is being petitioned by its customers NOT to screen a movie because it is offensive then why in the world would they? Movies have to PAY a portion of each ticket sold to the movie maker and if no one or very few see the movie then they will not be able to cover their fixed expenses much less make a profit.

No movie house has a "moral obligation" to screen any movie. It's all about money and that is as it should be in this case.
48 posted on 01/17/2006 6:30:14 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: madprof98

Was this guy pitcher or catcher?


49 posted on 01/17/2006 6:30:39 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Mojave; Sloth
Is this the link you were looking for?

Libertarian Party Platform

(These folks are NUTS) Look at the section on Domestic Ills and the right of secession.

From the link above:

Sexual Rights The Issue: Government has presumed to decide acceptability over sexual practices in personal relationships, imposing a particular code of moral and social values and displacing personal choice in such matters.

The Principle: Adults have the right to private choice in consensual sexual activity.

Solutions: We advocate an end to all government attempts to dictate, prohibit, control or encourage any private lifestyle, living arrangement or contractual relationship.

Transitional Action: We would repeal existing laws and policies intended to condemn, affirm, encourage or deny sexual lifestyles, or any set of attitudes about such lifestyles.

50 posted on 01/17/2006 6:32:24 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan
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