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Childlessness A Sin, Southern Baptist Leader Says
KWTX ^ | 1-17-06

Posted on 01/17/2006 1:31:49 PM PST by WKB

Rev. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, says it's "an absolute revolt against God's design" if husbands and wives purposely avoid bearing children.

On his Web site and other articles and interviews, Mohler argues that "marriage, sex and children are part of one package" and that "to deny any part of this wholeness is to reject God's intention in creation and his mandate revealed in the Bible."

In a CNN interview, the Baptist leader added, “We grow up by having children. Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old."


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1 posted on 01/17/2006 1:31:49 PM PST by WKB
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To: WKB

Sounds like he just wants the rest of the world to be unhappy, too!


3 posted on 01/17/2006 1:32:53 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: WKB

Well add it to the list. Forgive me, Jesus.


4 posted on 01/17/2006 1:33:02 PM PST by Huck (Don't Vote: It only encourages them.)
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To: petitfour; gbaker; realmagnolia; cdbear; caryatid; cincinnati65; mpackard; titleist975; ...

Ping


5 posted on 01/17/2006 1:33:49 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB
Great. His appearance on Larry King tonight will probably be half-spent defending or explaining this statement.

Dan

6 posted on 01/17/2006 1:33:51 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: WKB

Can't argue with the Bible.. it's a different thing if you can't have children, can't afford them because it's early on in the marriage or if one or both parties realize they are big huge screwups and shouldn't ever have children.


7 posted on 01/17/2006 1:34:26 PM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: petitfour

petitfour you are in the clear ping


8 posted on 01/17/2006 1:34:31 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB
"Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old."

Witness yuppies.

9 posted on 01/17/2006 1:34:40 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WKB; All

I agree..


10 posted on 01/17/2006 1:35:33 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: WKB

Does this count as a fatwa?


11 posted on 01/17/2006 1:36:13 PM PST by Vladiator
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To: BibChr

Someone once ask the question:
"Is birth control a form of a abortion"?


12 posted on 01/17/2006 1:36:25 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB
Ok, call me a SINNER.

I was married for 10 years and it just didn't happen!

But I will say this, single and childess white males get no special treatment as far as taxes are concerned. As a matter of fact we get punished for not having children and not being married.

Is this a great country or what? I mean what's left of it.


13 posted on 01/17/2006 1:36:30 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: Awestruck

People that dont have kids end up being the ones that yell at a kid and take his/her football away if it rolls into their yard.

Older couples without kids have always seemed bitter to me.


14 posted on 01/17/2006 1:37:07 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (We have a mission from beyond the stars to spread freedom.)
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To: BibChr

Wondering if the media simply took his comments out of context. This being Sanctity of Human Life month to the SBC, I'm sure his comments were meant in the light of birth control or something like that.

The headline is also misleading - Mohler is speaking of people voluntarily avoiding having children, whereas the headline makes you think it encompasses barren people as well.

Bottom line though, Mohler's comments (as reported) don't consider God's Sovereignty. Namely, if He means for you to have a child, no amount of condoms or pills will stop it.


15 posted on 01/17/2006 1:37:31 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Good, now grab my arm. Other arm. MY other arm.")
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To: WKB

Where is the scripture to back this up?


16 posted on 01/17/2006 1:37:31 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: WKB
.......the Baptist leader added, “We grow up by having children. Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old."

There is a certain amount of truth in that statement.

17 posted on 01/17/2006 1:37:41 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: William Creel

Think about it. Married couples that decide to not have children are performing the ultimate selfish act: not having children because they don't fit in your plans and ambitions or will take up too much resources. A childless couple in their 70's and 80's is a sad thing. My next door neighbors were never able to have children and I believe that it bothered her until they day she died.


18 posted on 01/17/2006 1:38:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: WKB

I didn't marry til age 44, and my husband has 2 grown kids and a vasectomy. Wonder what the good theologian would say about us?


19 posted on 01/17/2006 1:38:45 PM PST by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: WKB

A Man Has Got To Know His Limitations

20 posted on 01/17/2006 1:39:19 PM PST by misterrob (Democrats, The Party of Treason)
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To: WKB

What about if you're not married and don't have kids? Is it a sin then?


21 posted on 01/17/2006 1:39:32 PM PST by billybudd
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To: unixfox

I know a couple that pops out one new baby after another, because a wealthy grandmother gives a $10k per year tax free gift for each baby they have. Uncle Sam throws in all kinds of goodies as well.


22 posted on 01/17/2006 1:40:16 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: WKB
perpetual adolescents

That's what I wanted from my adulthood. It's because of that that I didn't have kids.
23 posted on 01/17/2006 1:40:44 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: CindyDawg

Where is the scripture to back this up?

???

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number;


24 posted on 01/17/2006 1:40:48 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: WKB

Yeah, well what would the dear man have to say if I had popped out 2 or 3 kids in the middle of my husbands 10-year drug abuse crisis? Then I would've been a selfish dumba$$.

I wish people would just shut up about it already. It's hard enough having been in a situation where having children was profoundly NOT the right choice, much less getting continually judged by jackasses like this guy and some of the people on this board.

LQ


25 posted on 01/17/2006 1:41:03 PM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: William Creel

I'm gonna guess you aren't Catholic. :^P

He isn't actually saying childlessness is a sin; he's saying that breaking the natural connection between marriage, sex and childbirth is a sin. There's nothing in what he says that would say that chastity or impotence are sinful.

“We grow up by having children. Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old."

Put more precisely, it is the experience of participating in the act of creation through which we are drawn closer to Godliness, for if we participate in that act with our hearts open to understanding God through it, we can experience a reflection of the sacrifice, joy, love, and compassion that the Father has for his children. Thus, we "grow up" spiritually.


26 posted on 01/17/2006 1:41:09 PM PST by dangus
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To: CindyDawg

Wasn't God's very first commandment to mankind to be fruitful and multiply? In Genesis. I'm not agreeing 100% with what he is saying but it's not without some scriptural foundation.


28 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:14 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: WKB

God must be most pleased with India and China.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:23 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: WKB
Halleluyah, and send money to ___________________
30 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: WKB

Depends on the method of birth control.


31 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:37 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: WKB
I don't see that anywhere in the bible.

The original commandment given to Adam and Eve was to be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth. Well, that's pretty much been done.

Better to spend time talking pregnant women out of having abortions than trying to make married couples procreate when they do not wish to do so.

32 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:52 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: WKB

No, I meant why isn't the preacher posting scripture to back up his beliefs.


33 posted on 01/17/2006 1:42:59 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: WKB

Somehow I think this article is missing a big part of his statement. At least it seems so.

He does have a point, in that there are many people who are sexually active either within a marriage or outside of marriage - and the last thing they are thinking of is having a child. And, heaven forbid!, if they should conceive a baby, they then seek to get rid of it. Isn't this the problem in the western world, which is why Europe is being overrun with Moslems??????


34 posted on 01/17/2006 1:43:06 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

I never cease to be amazed how FReepers (FREEPERS!!! of all people!) uncritically accept as true any news report about someone (or something) they don't like.

For my part, I ASSUME that this report is inaccurate to some degree.

Dan


35 posted on 01/17/2006 1:43:58 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: LizardQueen

When you are 75 years old, sitting and looking out into the backyard with no grandkids to watch play, make cookies for or spoil...

then you might just regret not having children...


36 posted on 01/17/2006 1:44:25 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (We have a mission from beyond the stars to spread freedom.)
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To: iPod Shuffle

I know a couple that pops out one new baby after another



One every 9 months and 15 minutes?? :>)


37 posted on 01/17/2006 1:44:29 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: unixfox


Amen Brother.

Not that I wouldn't like the opportunity to be married and have children...but In Hoc's dated a lot sketchy girls, which has precluded him from taking the leap.


38 posted on 01/17/2006 1:44:31 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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“Be fruitful and increase in number...

I thought that instruction was directed toward Adam and Eve. That should let everybody else off the hook.

39 posted on 01/17/2006 1:44:51 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: WKB

Yes, because what the world needs is more horrible, unqualified & uncaring parents (/sarc)


40 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:10 PM PST by gdani
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To: WKB

If the good reverend wants me to have children, he can send me the cash to cover the cost. Last time I checked, bringing a newborn to adulthood costs about $1 Million. Each.


41 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:16 PM PST by Dawsonville_Doc
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To: WKB

Birth control is not the wilful destruction of human life, so it is not murder.
It is, however, the refusal to consent to God's will. God desires that marriage leads to sex and sex leads to children.
Incidentally, the command to procreate is the first one given to Mankind after the fall of Adam, "Be fruitful and multiply."


42 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:21 PM PST by dangus
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To: CindyDawg

No, I meant why isn't the preacher posting scripture to back up his beliefs.


OH!


43 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:33 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: MEGoody

I think there is so much child abuse and neglect because people who shouldn't be having kids have them anyway... because "everyone" has kids. It is just something you do.. get married, have kids, and die. People give more thought about acquiring a new pet than the decision to have children.

Some people just aren't suited to have kids, and they're smart not to.


44 posted on 01/17/2006 1:45:53 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Did you read what I posted the first time? My husband had a drug problem for 13 years and I elected not to subject a child to that.

My old age isn't your problem or your business, so go thump on someone else.

LQ


45 posted on 01/17/2006 1:46:06 PM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: WKB
“We grow up by having children. Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old." I wholeheartedly agree with the Rev on this one; had my first after 40 years of putting it off and the second 18 months later; best thing I ever did.
46 posted on 01/17/2006 1:46:17 PM PST by SF Republican
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I know a couple that pops out one new baby after another

Sounds like a Gatling Gun.

47 posted on 01/17/2006 1:46:23 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: unixfox

It's the headline writer who is at fault, not the preacher. What the preacher said was is shown later: "it's 'an absolute revolt against God's design' if husbands and wives purposely avoid bearing children."

From what you say, you did not PURPOSELY avoid bearing children.


48 posted on 01/17/2006 1:46:49 PM PST by dangus
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To: WKB
In a CNN interview...

This guy is clearly a graduate of the Pat Robertson School of Media Relations.

Sheesh!

49 posted on 01/17/2006 1:47:05 PM PST by Arm_Bears (You are the New Day.)
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"can't afford them"

by whose budgetary definitions?

God gave me 5 children and I've never looked back - never once considered whether I could afford them.

I don't have a $500,000 home or brand-new cars and nobody starves.

"afford" can be defined all over the place. Today, so many material needs trump the spiritual ones.


50 posted on 01/17/2006 1:47:44 PM PST by George from New England
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